Lets all have more kids!!!

Blazer · 15-04-2018 08:00AM #1

Sometimes you seriously wonder about what planet politicians are on...and then you see ideas like this.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/baby-boxes-for-parents-of-every-newborn-irelands-strategy-to-increase-birth-rate-revealed-36807832.html

The latest brainwave being floated to support an aging population is ....encourage families to have more kids by giving them a baby box.

Instead of lets say
1. Eliminate chidlren's allowance after the 2nd child going forward
2. Increase number of teachers for primary and secondary schools and expand the school subjects and revise the crap junior cert and leaving cert qualifications
3. Build more colleges thus reducing points for courses leading to more people in higher level jobs
4. Rebuild the HSE ground up. Increase nurses salaries at start and give them a proper career path like most countries do thus preventing the draining of resources to other countries

And there's probably a tonne more we could do to ensure most people get upskilled and have better jobs which in turn would provide a better tax take instead of sponging off welfare, career criminals etc etc...

But no...lets encourage Jonjo and Charmaine down the road to pump out the sprogs in the hope one of them might actually get a job and pay a bit of tax to support their parents in the future.
We already have the highest birth rate in Europe and we want more??

Day Lewin · 15-04-2018 08:03AM

Children are beautiful.

Blazer · 15-04-2018 08:04AM

Day Lewin wrote: »

Children are beautiful.

that they are...I have 2 myself but there's no way I'd have more.
I can support two as is but there's no way I'd be having 4 or 5 kids.

Kermit.de.frog · 15-04-2018 08:05AM

Very keen on the method of creation. Not so keen on the actual sprogs

Dog walker 1234 · 15-04-2018 08:09AM

I am happy to sow my wild oats on Saturday night and pray for a crop failure Sunday morning.

godtabh · 15-04-2018 08:13AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Very keen on the method of creation. Not so keen on the actual sprogs

Test tube babies?

super_furry · 15-04-2018 08:16AM

Want to increase birthdate? Offer free crèches for children whose parents are in full time employment. People want more children, they just can’t afford to have them.

erica74 · 15-04-2018 08:17AM

You can have as many children as you want but PAY FOR THEM YOURSELF.

Try_harder · 15-04-2018 08:18AM

Number 1 is unconstitutional for a start

pjohnson · 15-04-2018 08:22AM

I'm suprised these OP's never propose we enact China's one child policy here, or forbid unemployed from being allowed have children.

lawred2 · 15-04-2018 08:22AM

What is planned to be in these baby boxes?

judeboy101 · 15-04-2018 08:24AM

Licences for kids, just like for dogs.

Blazer · 15-04-2018 08:24AM

Try_harder wrote: »

Number 1 is unconstitutional for a start

how so?

Tombo2001 · 15-04-2018 08:25AM

super_furry wrote: »

Want to increase birthdate? Offer free crèches for children whose parents are in full time employment. People want more children, they just can’t afford to have them.

The other thing this brings is a minimum standard of care for every child, in other words you wouldn’t have that cohort of very neglected children that struggle to adapt to adult life. There should be a much bigger discussion about this, but child welfare is not a topic discussed very much in Ireland, compared to water charges for example.

wexie · 15-04-2018 08:28AM

lawred2 wrote: »

What is planned to be in these baby boxes?

The starter kits for babies included babygrows, a blanket, outdoor clothing, bathing products, nappies and bedding. Educational books are also included in the package.

not too sure how that's supposed to encourage people to have more children...

responsible parents will still not be able to afford to have more, irresponsible ones still won't care.

So the whole thing will achieve SFA

wexie · 15-04-2018 08:29AM

judeboy101 wrote: »

Licences for kids, just like for dogs.

right....cause every dog owner has a license as we all know.

lawred2 · 15-04-2018 08:32AM

wexie wrote: »

not too sure how that's supposed to encourage people to have more children...

responsible parents will still not be able to afford to have more, irresponsible ones still won't care.

So the whole thing will achieve SFA

Joke stuff

jobless · 15-04-2018 08:37AM

super_furry wrote: »

Want to increase birthdate? Offer free crèches for children whose parents are in full time employment. People want more children, they just can’t afford to have them.

This x1000

lazygal · 15-04-2018 08:39AM

super_furry wrote: »

Want to increase birthdate? Offer free crèches for children whose parents are in full time employment. People want more children, they just can’t afford to have them.

Or offer a child care payment for parents working full or part-time to be used on their preferred child care. We have no interest in creche based child care, we employ a child minder.

JustLen · 15-04-2018 08:41AM

lawred2 wrote: »

What is planned to be in these baby boxes?

Babies obviously

Hoboo · 15-04-2018 08:43AM

lazygal wrote: »

Or offer a child care payment for parents working full or part-time to be used on their preferred child care. We have no interest in creche based child care, we employ a child minder.

Your username is quite apt.

lazygal · 15-04-2018 08:44AM

Hoboo wrote: »

Your username is quite apt.

How so? Are working parents all lazy gals?

iamwhoiam · 15-04-2018 08:58AM

lazygal wrote: »

Or offer a child care payment for parents working full or part-time to be used on their preferred child care. We have no interest in creche based child care, we employ a child minder.

Exactly . All well and good giving parents a baby box, that won't do anything to ease the burden of childcare . They only have to look around and ask why people are not having more kids . They simply can't afford to pay huge rents , massive mortgages and ridiculous child care costs .

lawred2 · 15-04-2018 08:59AM

lazygal wrote: »

Or offer a child care payment for parents working full or part-time to be used on their preferred child care. We have no interest in creche based child care, we employ a child minder.

Direct payments to creche operators would be far easier administered than direct payment to parents.

Also with the well known Irish penchant for taking advantage of in house carers I'm not sure it's something the government would want to be seen to be in direct support of.

lazygal · 15-04-2018 09:01AM

lawred2 wrote: »

Direct payments to creche operators would be far easier administered than direct payment to parents.

Also with the well known Irish penchant for taking advantage of in house carers I'm not sure it's something the government would want to be seen to be in direct support of.

We are registered employers of our minder. She gets holiday pay, sick leave and pay slips. There's not one decent creche near us I'd leave my children in. Creche care isn't something I think the state should privilege.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 15-04-2018 09:02AM

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wexie · 15-04-2018 09:04AM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

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right....that'd make things way better.

There's enough Shakiras, Brittneys, Jacintas, Antos and Deccos kicking about as it is.

The objective is to make things a little better, not a lot worse

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 15-04-2018 09:06AM

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s7ryf3925pivug · 15-04-2018 09:07AM

Stop taxing a sole breadwinner more than two spouses who each earn half as much. Parental care is preferable to daycare before age three.

hairyslug · 15-04-2018 09:10AM

Any chance we can get this backdated.

Fighting Tao · 15-04-2018 09:19AM

So those who don't want others having kids, don't want a pension when they get older. Fine....maybe there should be some system to weed these people out and ensure there is no pension payments to them ever.

Lets all have more kids!!!

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