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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP
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horseburger wrote: »So you don't think those views with concern about abortion should address the Oireachtas Committee and Citizens' Assembly, but a group advocating abortion should?
I included an item that showed that BPAS has criticized the Irish Government, in 2013 with regard to laws on abortion, so it has given an opinion on the question of abortion being made available in Ireland. You can assume that BPAS would advocate a yes vote in the referendum.
I said the complete opposite.
I said nobody outside of the country should be meddling in the referendum of that country, unless they can bring something to the table that nobody in the country can. They are perfectly allowed to have and state their opinions but I don't believe those opinions should have anything to do with a referendum at an official level.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion you did?0 -
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Ave Sodalis wrote: »I said the complete opposite.I said nobody outside of the country should be meddling in the referendum of that country, unless they can bring something to the table that nobody in the country can. They are perfectly allowed to have and state their opinions but I don't believe those opinions should have anything to do with a referendum at an official level.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion you did?
How can you state that BPAS has not stated anything regarding advocating for the provision of abortion services in Ireland.
It criticized the Irish government in 2013.
It recently registered the www.abortion.ie web address.
You seem to be now suggesting that BPAS can provide abortion services in Ireland, that doctors here would be unable to provide, if there is a yes vote.
BPAS criticized the Irish government in 2013 regarding abortion provision in Ireland.
Is that not getting involved in the debate?
This item is titled BPAS serves notice to the Irish Government
https://www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/2013/11/15/bpas-serves-notice-to-the-irish-government/0 -
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I think BPAS and thr NHS etc are in a very different position from a random American though, no matter how many abortions he himself has carried out - they ar after all providing a health service that I have heard (and read on here) prolifers use as an explanation for why the law in Ireland doesnt need to change!horseburger wrote: »Ave Sodalis wrote: »I said the complete opposite.I said nobody outside of the country should be meddling in the referendum of that country, unless they can bring something to the table that nobody in the country can. They are perfectly allowed to have and state their opinions but I don't believe those opinions should have anything to do with a referendum at an official level.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion you did?
How can you state that BPAS has not stated anything regarding advocating for the provision of abortion services in Ireland.
It criticized the Irish government in 2013.
It recently registered the abortion.ie web address.
You seem to be now suggesting that BPAS can provide abortion services in Ireland, that doctors here would be unable to provide, if there is a yes vote.
BPAS criticized the Irish government in 2013 regarding abortion provision in Ireland.
Is that not getting involved in the debate?
This item is titled BPAS serves notice to the Irish Government
https://www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/2013/11/15/bpas-serves-notice-to-the-irish-government/”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)
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You are right in your analysis,, the yes posters are very kinda soft compared to the no posters- & just incase anyone asks me no Im not referring to any graphic imagery or anything, for example take this new no poster, its hard hitting blunt & getting right to the point a lot better compared with the soft approach of the yes posters.John DoeReMi wrote: »If the poster campaign in Dublin so far is anything to go by then the Repeal campaign have already lost the referendum. The anti - Repeal campaign have had their posters up for about a month now and of course they’re what you’d expect – simple, graphic no nonsense, fear-based messages claiming that repeal is a licence for wholesale baby murder. So far, so predictable. Only in the last fortnight have the pro - Repeal posters begun to appear. It’s bad enough that the pro-Repeal side were behind the ball in launching their campaign but the quality of the messages so far have been dreadful. The Labour party’s two posters – “For Compassion in a Crisis” and “For Women’s Health” are typical of the kind of bland, wishy washy, “let’s not offend anyone” approach common now in all establishment election and referendum campaigns. The worst I’ve seen so far though is the Together For Yes campaign poster – an awful yoke proclaiming “Sometimes a private matter needs public support”.
WTF ? I’m no idiot and I had to read that thing twice to make sense of it. This drivel was obviously dreamed up by some goateed chin stroking intellectual college students sitting in Starbucks over a few latte mochaccino’s along with their adoring doe eyed girlfriends. Does anyone in their right mind really think that this type of nonsense is going to win over floating/doubtful voters who haven’t decided yet?
Where are the graphic, hard hitting messages from the Yes side pointing out that it’s time we stopped forcing 5,000 women a year abroad? Where are the posters declaring that it could be YOUR daughter, girlfriend, sister or mother who might be forced into this awful journey? Where are the posters asking WHY WOULD YOU FORCE A RAPE VICTIM TO BEAR HIS CHILD? When are we going to learn that the “nicey, nicey” approach doesn’t woiork when you’re up against the religious right?
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I am honestly not that sure poster's will make a huge difference, I think and hope people will do their own research into claims being made before deciding how to vote.The Legend Of Kira wrote: »You are right in your analysis,, the yes posters are very kinda soft compared to the no posters- & just incase anyone asks me no Im not referring to any graphic imagery or anything, for example take this new no poster, its hard hitting blunt & getting right to the point a lot better compared with the soft approach of the yes posters.
Also the bookies, polls and analysis point to a repeal... So we will see... There have been lots of upsets recently like trump and brexit so every vote important0 -
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Ave Sodalis wrote: »What?! I didn't even say that!
Okay, well, I'm going to stop replying to you now. You haven't answered a single question given to you, you jump around the topic like a madman to try and avoid anything you don't want to answer, a mod had to tell you to cut out the other crap you were at, and now your tactic is to completely and utterly (and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it was purposely) misread posts.
If another poster wants to answer you, good luck to them.
You said that BPAS could speak at the Citizens' Assembly and the Oireachtas Committee on the Eight Amendment, as long as it didn't take a position with regard to the laws on abortion in another country.
BPAS made criticisms of the Irish government in 2013, with regard to abortion laws in Ireland.
Considering it has made criticisms of abortion laws in Ireland, one can well assume that BPAS would be taking a definite position on the upcoming referendum.
https://www.abortionrightscampaign.ie/2013/11/15/bpas-serves-notice-to-the-irish-government/
If BPAS isn't taking an interest in the upcoming referendum, why has it registered the website www.abortion.ie that diverts to the official BPAS website?
The Abortion Rights Campaign item above includes the following text:
"For many of our followers the BPAS notice was an act of solidarity with women in Ireland who have travelled, or who will be obliged to travel to one of their clinics to access abortion services. For other supporters BPAS were directly calling our Government to action, questioning it’s ability to care for women in Ireland by saying – ‘We’ll care for your women until your government does’".
"Those who hold opposing anti-choice views were naturally outraged by the BPAS Notice. They questioned its legality, given Ireland’s strict abortion laws, and in particular – those laws governing access to information on Abortion services. They demanded to know what gave BPAS the right to comment on Irish abortion laws? They declared that the only possible motive for BPAS’ involvement in the Irish abortion debate was financial gain".
"With regards the legality – the BPAS notice was perfectly legal. As the notice did not contain a phone number, an invitation to donate money or details about the services it provides – it is not what the Advertising Standards Authority for Ireland (ASAI) would class as an advertisement nor does it break any laws by providing information on abortion services.
As to BPAS’ right to comment – many of the 4,000 women a year who travel to the UK to have an abortion do so in a BPAS clinic. BPAS are a registered charity in the UK which provides reproductive health services".
"These services include – contraception advice and vasectomy, pregnancy testing and counselling and abortion treatments. The staff in BPAS clinics meet women who have travelled from Ireland every day, and are thus uniquely positioned to comment on situation. They have an insight into the extra burden of stress travelling places on those coming from Ireland compared to the ‘normal’ stresses faced by those who access abortion services from within the UK".
"BPAS have stated publicly that they would prefer it if people in Ireland who want to access abortion services could do so in Ireland. They see the hardship travelling to the UK inflicts on those in their care and they hear first hand the extraordinary logistical difficulties people are required to navigate in order to travel. Be it accessing money; time off work or organising child-care – the stresses heaped on people in an already stressful situation are exacerbated by having to travel from Ireland . BPAS are also acutely aware that many will face difficulty accessing the follow up medical care they need".
You stated:Ave Sodalis wrote: »I said the complete opposite.I said nobody outside of the country should be meddling in the referendum of that country, unless they can bring something to the table that nobody in the country can. They are perfectly allowed to have and state their opinions but I don't believe those opinions should have anything to do with a referendum at an official level.
How on earth did you come to the conclusion you did?
You stated:Ave Sodalis wrote: »What point did I ignore?
Yes exactly
They can have whatever opinions they want. Just not as a side on the referendum
Good for you? I didn't say they couldn't have opinions. In fact, I specifically said they had a freedom of speech. Just not on an official level on a referendum that has nothing to do with their country.
The organization BPAS has commented on Irish laws on abortion:
Yes actually, I do.
Actually, no. I don't believe she should.
Now, can you please answer the rest of my questions? Nice pulling it off topic in order not to answer by the way0 -
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