So my car needs a new engine..

13-04-2018 09:44AM

dieselbug wrote: »

Op, as you are self employed would it not make sense for you to be driving a nice van or a commercial comfortable estate car. ..........

As he seems to be doing over 40k kms a year business miles a car would attract just 12% BIK.

Dia1988 · 13-04-2018 01:14PM

Augeo wrote: »

As he seems to be doing over 40k kms a year business miles a car would attract just 12% BIK.

Or 0% BIK if the OP goes fully electric.

No dpf, No clutch, No turbos, No injectors, No ICE engine, No problems!

But a 2014 Tesla Model S for 50k and you'll surely save inbthe long run with the problems you've been having. Lol

I jest of course but it'll be interesting how car dealer service centres will make money with so little mechanical problems with electric cars.

Also I wouldn't have too much faith renting an electric car in Ireland in 2030 stuck in Dingle or Donegal

Gravelly · 13-04-2018 01:18PM

Dia1988 wrote: »

Or 0% BIK if the OP goes fully electric.

No dpf, No clutch, No turbos, No injectors, No ICE engine, No problems!

But a 2014 Tesla Model S for 50k and you'll surely save inbthe long run with the problems you've been having. Lol

I jest of course but it'll be interesting how car dealer service centres will make money with so little mechanical problems with electric cars.

Also I wouldn't have too much faith renting an electric car in Ireland in 2030 stuck in Dingle or Donegal

It amuses me to hear people talk about electric cars never breaking down. Because, you know, all the other electric devices we have never break down, like washing machines etc. (and they do a lot less work than your car does). If you ever work in a factory that has electrical machinery, you'll notice most have a full time team of maintenance and repair electricians........

Dia1988 · 13-04-2018 01:20PM

I clearly said Mechanical problems

Gravelly · 13-04-2018 01:22PM

Dia1988 wrote: »

I clearly said Mechanical problems

Which I include. Many of the breakdowns associated with electrical machinery are of a mechanical nature (thus why fitters are employed in the industry).

13-04-2018 01:33PM

Dia1988 wrote: »

Or 0% BIK if the OP goes fully electric.

No dpf, No clutch, No turbos, No injectors, No ICE engine, No problems!

But a 2014 Tesla Model S for 50k and you'll surely save inbthe long run with the problems you've been having. Lol

I jest of course but it'll be interesting how car dealer service centres will make money with so little mechanical problems with electric cars.

Also I wouldn't have too much faith renting an electric car in Ireland in 2030 stuck in Dingle or Donegal

Plenty of Tesla cars spenfinf much of their life to date back for warranty work

Dia1988 · 13-04-2018 01:44PM

Plenty of long established ICE cars spending much of their life to date back for warranty work. Much of the Tesla warranty work is fit and finish repairs due to Tesla being such a new car company.

An ICE car with moving belts, pistons, camshafts, turbines, flywheel will be prone to more of an expensive and frequent repair than an electric car.

13-04-2018 01:50PM

Dia1988 wrote: »

,,,,,,,Much of the Tesla warranty work is..............

.........faulty Model S steering related

dieselbug · 13-04-2018 02:12PM

Dia1988 wrote: »

I clearly said Mechanical problems

In today's modern cars petrol and diesel a very large proportion of problems, breakdowns would be electrical related.

Dia1988 · 13-04-2018 02:17PM

Augeo wrote: »

.........faulty Model S steering related

There's more electric cars out there than the Tesla, which given its a new company will have teething issues. The Hyundai i40 has had a steering fault too and that's from a well established car maker.

If you can provide me with an independent empirical report to say that ice cars are more reliable than ice cars I'll agree with you.

13-04-2018 02:26PM

Dia1988 wrote: »

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If you can provide me with an independent empirical report to say that ice cars are more reliable than ice cars I'll agree with you.
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You'll agree with what?
The point I made was that "Plenty of Tesla cars spenfinf much of their life to date back for warranty work"........ I don't need an independent empirical report for anything

I never claimed ice cars are more reliable.
but then, I wasn't the one suggesting a €50k second hand Tesla to someone running a diesel C5 (in jest).

Wanton · 13-04-2018 02:31PM

Having only quickly read the thread I can only say... DONT DO IT....

As someone who also covers the same kind of KM's every year its not worth the heartache. Putting second hand engines etc into cars are for sh!t box small cars that will be doing a few miles a week, not someone who is travelling half the country!

I learned the hard way too after spending a fortune on a super comfy quick Astra SRI 150 only for the Dual Mass Flywheel to fail. Parked it up and replaced it the next week. Selling it JUST covered the most recent costs.

I very much buy into the idea of getting moneys worth out of car and potentially driving it till it dies, but most often once it dies its better to leave it there

selectamatic · 13-04-2018 07:20PM

Can people just read the feckin thread if they're going to post.

I keep coming back looking for updates on kkv's tale of woe only to be met with pointless sh1te talk.

His engine went.

1. Many advised to scrap and move on or sell as a for parts or repair.

2. Some advised lashing a cheap 1.6hdi lump into it and selling it on.

3. And finally some advised getting a fully guaranteed rebuilt engine fitted by an established specialist.

Kkv went with option 3.

Since then the replacement engine has gone and is now being repaired/replaced under warranty.

So in short if you wanted to recommend buying a van or a tesla or whatever to kkv the time to do it was on the 1st page of the thread and not on the 8th page some 8 months after all this began.

dieselbug · 13-04-2018 10:55PM

selectamatic wrote: »

Can people just read the feckin thread if they're going to post.

I keep coming back looking for updates on kkv's tale of woe only to be met with pointless sh1te talk.

His engine went.

1. Many advised to scrap and move on or sell as a for parts or repair.

2. Some advised lashing a cheap 1.6hdi lump into it and selling it on.

3. And finally some advised getting a fully guaranteed rebuilt engine fitted by an established specialist.

Kkv went with option 3.

Since then the replacement engine has gone and is now being repaired/replaced under warranty.

So in short if you wanted to recommend buying a van or a tesla or whatever to kkv the time to do it was on the 1st page of the thread and not on the 8th page some 8 months after all this began.

Having a bad day?

shanec1928 · 25-04-2018 03:20PM

is the car back on the road yet?

09-05-2018 01:49AM

Howdy folks.

In relation to a previous suggestion for an electric car, I wouldn't be able to justify the cost of new car for a start, and secondly, I've tight deadlines and wouldn't have the luxury of stopping to charge (as is, I only stop for diesel when I'm driving home and I fill the car so I don't have to stop until I'm driving home again the next day).

Apologies for the lack of response, have been working (ie driving long days) and haven't been able to get on t'internet properly.

So the C5 is back on the road, alright. I think it's 2 weeks now I've had it back? I have done (approximately) 4,000km in it since then and it seems to be running fine. I think I've a busted shock on the rear passenger side, but that's nothing to do with the engine obviously.

They asked me to give it back to them after 8 weeks so they could check it over again and make sure that they're happy with it and how it's running. I've no DPF anymore and I don't really notice it missing to be honest. I've no clouds of black smoke following me around (i got someone else to drive the car, too, so i could keep an eye on that). It seems to be behaving the same way as before and truth be told i don't notice any difference in day-to-day driving with or without the DPF on the system.

Naturally, I'm hoping that the 8 week health check will be the last time I have to go near the engine lads with it (I mean that in the nicest way, of course. They're nice lads, but I don't really need any more issues).

For those familiar with the last time my car was through the engine process, it developed the same issue again this time, with the headlights turning themselves on after the car was parked up. This was fixed a lot swifter this time around with a chap that seemed clued into the world of programming Citroen's (the engine lads paid him, so didn't cost me anything).

My only cost was for the DPF removal of €200. Other than that all seems well in the world.

I'll update as I go. I'll be driving the car a good bit over the next fortnight (albeit not monster miles) so I'll keep an eye on it and give any updates of anything unusual or out of place at all.

unkel · 09-05-2018 02:32AM

That's good news, glad you've got the car back and doing your usual big miles in it!

DPF removal is not so nice though. You do realise why a DPF is in your car in the first place? The answer is cancer.

JohnBoy26 · 09-05-2018 04:06AM

unkel wrote: »

That's good news, glad you've got the car back and doing your usual big miles in it!

DPF removal is not so nice though. You do realise why a DPF is in your car in the first place? The answer is cancer.

Do you honestly think a dpf will prevent cancer? Nox emmisions will be released regardless.

Henry Ford III · 09-05-2018 07:09AM

JohnBoy26 wrote:

Do you honestly think a dpf will prevent cancer? Nox emmisions will be released regardless.

It's not fitted for fun by a manufacturer in a giddy generous mood either. It's attempting to minimise those emmisions.

jca · 09-05-2018 07:16AM

Oh god another thread going to descend into dpf tit for tat... It's all your fault op. A shut mouth catches no flies..

JohnBoy26 · 09-05-2018 08:08AM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

It's not fitted for fun by a manufacturer in a giddy generous mood either. It's attempting to minimise those emmisions.

I don't think cancer is the reason why manufacturers are fitting them.

Emission regulations is.why the are fitted.

it's a (kick the can down the road)temporary storage for those emissions. The emissions will be released eventually. I know it's to try and prevent them being released in built up areas but it won't stop every particle and it won't always regenerate outside of these areas.

Even if it worked flawlessly people still live, work and commute outside of built up areas so a dpf won't prevent cancer but it might help in some way to reduce the risk.

corks finest · 09-05-2018 08:33AM

My car needs a new driver

grogi · 09-05-2018 08:39AM

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

I don't think cancer is the reason why manufacturers are fitting them.

Emission regulations is.why the are fitted

And why we have regulations? To prevent decrease in air quality which would have health effect.

But technically you are right. If it wasn't for the regulations, the corporations wouldn't care a sheet about cancer.

What's more, the DPF doesn't release what it captures. It captures particulate matter - big blobs of carbon atoms, also called soot. What it releases is CO2. Which isn't completely harmless (climate change yeey!) but is much less harmful to humans than PM and the quantities released in the process are negligible. So yes - DPF prevents cancer.

unkel · 09-05-2018 08:42AM

grogi wrote: »

If it wasn't for the regulations, the corporations wouldn't care a sheet about cancer.

It's not their role. Corporations should maximise profits (within the legal framework)

grogi · 09-05-2018 08:46AM

unkel wrote: »

It's not their role. Corporations should maximise profits (within the legal framework)

Their goal is to maximise profit. But there also is this thing called social responsibility - to do it in sustainable and ethical way...

bear1 · 09-05-2018 08:57AM

Apart the whole dpf off on debate, kkv did you have the engine mapped to take into account of the removal?
You should notice a difference with the dpf removed.

grogi · 09-05-2018 09:30AM

bear1 wrote: »

Apart the whole dpf off on debate, kkv did you have the engine mapped to take into account of the removal?
You should notice a difference with the dpf removed.

What difference are you referring to?

Mapping the DPF out is a simple removal of the DPF active regeneration from the engine cycle. The performance (power, torque etc) all remain the same.

bear1 · 09-05-2018 10:30AM

grogi wrote: »

What difference are you referring to?

Mapping the DPF out is a simple removal of the DPF active regeneration from the engine cycle. The performance (power, torque etc) all remain the same.

The engine should feel more spritly or eager. I just would have imagined if you are having the DPF removed then blanking the EGR and mapping the engine would give you the best results.

09-05-2018 12:54PM

As far as I am aware (I'm an L plater when it comes to DPFs, etc.) my car hasn't been mechanically interfered with. The DPF etc. is still physically there. It's just, as has been said above, 'mapped out'.

The car probably does overtake a little swifter now, but it's a negligible difference. I'm sure had I asked for a proper remap and soup it up as best as possible, i'd have gotten it, but i believe a 'proper' remap also brings with it wear and tear on the different engine components? Perhaps that's an urban myth, though.

In relation to cancer, I'd be hard pressed to think of anything that doesn't give you cancer. Eating too many bananas will give you cancer. Sitting down will give you cancer. Using your phone will give you cancer, etc. I'll take my chances with my car as it is and I'll take the uneducated guess that every diesel engine was giving cancer long before 'mainstream' cars got DPFs fitted.

I am sure the DPF does serve a purpose and I'm sure that they have an impact on the globe, but I'd hazard it to be such a small impact as to be nonexistent. But again, that's from my own uninformed opinion, and possibly not an accurate world view.

josip · 09-05-2018 12:56PM

(OT) Oxygen is also a massive cause of cancer.

So my car needs a new engine..

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