Sexual assualt list posted in boys toilet in Cork school

goose2005 wrote: »

Is that the Leo Traynor story? Much of that was invented and the writer disappeared soon after.
https://graunwatch.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/why-leo-traynors-troll-story-is-almost-certainly-a-lie-by-resistradio/
http://paulclarke.com/honestlyreal/2012/10/for-whom-the-bell-trolls/
http://skepchick.org/2012/10/leo-traynor-anti-semitism-and-the-sticky-problem-of-facts/

That's the story. BTW the second link has an edit to say the author thinks the story is true. It's also got weird demands. they want to see screenshots and asked for a statement from his wife to confirm that something had happened. It's very strange.

markodaly wrote: »

We are in danger of criminalising all young boys at this stage.
The moral panic about rape and sexual assault is crazy. People to need to kop the **** on.

No, seriously we are not. I wasn't aware that all young boys were reviewing their classmates with a view to raping them. In fact I am certain they are not. Please do not be hysterical.

Cayden Tasty Peppercorn wrote: »

I would say the opposite. Things have been let slide too far, people are starting to discuss it, and feel it is now time that society sent out a clear and unambiguous message regarding what kind of behaviour is and isn't acceptable.

Slide too far how? Give me some independent stats on how we are 'sliding too far'......

This is actually a prime example here, how are we sliding too far? A hint of some panic and fear mongering perhaps?

In the history of the world and indeed Ireland, we have never been safer, yet we are in the age of social media, the internet, where we are at risk of moral panic. From everything from migrants, to Muslims, to rape culture.

Its a load of none sense.

Muslims will not be imposing Sharia Law in Ireland anytime soon.
Migrants will not be taking your jobs
We are not in the midst of some Rape epidemic.

We need to kop the **** on, turn off the radio/TV, put down the newspaper or phone and realise that the people/media selling us fear are doing it for a reason. Fear sells and we buy into it all the time like sheep.

Calina wrote: »

No, seriously we are not. I wasn't aware that all young boys were reviewing their classmates with a view to raping them. In fact I am certain they are not. Please do not be hysterical.

The only thing hysterical is the reaction to this story.

How many boys are involved here? One? OK so, panic over everyone...

Cayden Tasty Peppercorn wrote: »

You keep using that expression. There's no 'moral panic'. Just a losing of patience with the attitude that boys will be boys and that talking about and treating girls like pieces of meat is just normal behaviour. The Belfast trial brought things to a head here, and people are finally expressing their views on a growing disrespect amongst some young males for their female counterparts and an attitude that it's cool and funny to speak about them in derogatory terms, circulate inappropriate photographs of them, or in this case make lists of which girl they'd like to rape on a toilet wall.

That Belfast trial should not be used as a barometer for anything but the amount of stupid nonsense some feminists want to spout about the subject.

It has shone a spotlight onto that group and they have come out smelling like manure on a hot summers day.

History will not be kind to the media and the reaction to this story either.

Cayden Tasty Peppercorn wrote: »

Lots of people have expressed concern about the case, including many men. You're the one who seems to be spouting stupid nonsense.

Oh, you got me.

Will I start a hashtag campaign?

#freethecubicle

markodaly wrote: »

Oh, you got me.

Will I start a hashtag campaign?

#freethecubicle

Stop trolling.

60% of people feel that the players shouldn't represent their country. They are not "some feminists". And that also means that it's Rugby and the players in particular who came out smelling badly. Some have even apologized for their conduct.

That's the last I'll mention of the belfast trial in this thread. I don't want to derail it.

I'll just reiterate though. there's no moral panic. It's all in your head.

Interestingly, the Irish Times article on this incident states that there was a statement from a parent of one of the girls mentioned and that the school had contacted each student and spoken with them and that this girl in particular was ready to put the incident behind them.

The person who went public is NOT linked to any of the students on the list.

markodaly wrote: »

Moral Panic exhibit (A)

Or it could be a parent of one of the boys involved who thinks that a public whipping will steer the lad onto the straight and narrow.

No one knows, and people drawing battle lines on an anonymous internet forum isn't helping.

But lets get ourselves all in a tizzy anyway

Kingp35 wrote: »

Do you have anything to backup your clam that there's a growing disrespect amongst some young males?

I find this type of statement to be extremely disrespectful to the young male population.

I googled and on the first page it has this.
http://www.newsweek.com/misogyny-rife-america-study-proves-it-611574

Now this is the US, not Ireland, but the reason I'm posting is because the figure really shocked me.

n the United States nearly 9 in 10 young women have been sexually harassed. In this world virtually no woman is safe from the threat of sexual violence, unwanted advances, and crude remarks. Many people would agree that women aren’t safe, but a new Harvard report on young people and sexual harassment and misogyny reveals women are in even more danger than we may have thought.

The report states that 87 percent of women between 18 and 25 had also experienced sexual harassment at some point in their lives.

There's also plenty of articles about sexism and harassment that women face in the UK, especially in colleges.

I couldn't find anything specifically for Ireland. It would be presumptuous to say that Ireland is like the UK or US. However it would also be incorrect to say that teens here have a completely different upbringing and don't have a lot of the same influences from popular culture.

What I'm saying is that there probably has been an increase in sexist attitudes but without a study that specifically addresses it I can't say there has been or quantify it.


Edit: Either way, we should be having these conversations with teens.

Grayson wrote: »

I googled and on the first page it has this.
http://www.newsweek.com/misogyny-rife-america-study-proves-it-611574

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You are falling for the line 'rape culture' line hook, line and sinker.

Consider this bit of the article.

Many people would agree that women aren’t safe, but a new Harvard report on young people and sexual harassment and misogyny reveals women are in even more danger than we may have thought.

and the title.

MISOGYNY IS RIFE IN AMERICA, THIS STUDY PROVES IT

Clickbait is clickbait.

Throw in a little bit about gamergate, murder, women in the work place, you have an omelette of moral panic about the safety of women, even though statistically women have NEVER been safer.


Now to the actual study, if you want to bother reading the fine print.

In our national survey of 18 to 25-year-olds,
87% percent of women reported having
experienced at least one of the following
during their lifetime: being catcalled (55%),
touched without permission by a stranger
(41%), insulted with sexualized words (e.g.,
slut, bitch, ho) by a man (47%), insulted with
sexualized words by a woman (42%), having a
stranger say something sexual to them (52%),
and having a stranger tell them they were
“hot” (61%).

So being called a 'slut','bitch' or a 'ho by a girl or being called hot is now sexual assault,

Nice to know.

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