Ulster Team Talk Thread III: Les Miserables SEE MOD WARNING POST #1924 + #2755

errlloyd · 12-04-2018 11:31AM

Bridge93 wrote: »

Just on BOI.

I'm in the FS industry and, while taking this with a pinch of salt, have heard from a few different people that BOI have threatened to pull their sponsorship of Ulster as expected but have also threatened to pull out of Irish rugby entirely, including the other provinces

Their CEO is fairly forward thinking in terms of gender equality and stuff.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/bank-of-ireland-commits-to-gender-equality-in-executive-hires-by-2021-1.3455610

The Black Stags · 12-04-2018 11:35AM

Ulster Rugby team to play Ospreys, Friday 13th April at Kingspan Stadium, kick-off 7.35pm:

(15-9): C Piutau, L Ludik, D Cave, S McCloskey, J Stockdale, J McPhillips, J Cooney;

(1-8): C Black, R Best (Capt), R Kane, K Treadwell, I Henderson, M Rea, J Deysel, S Reidy;

Replacements (16-23): R Herring, A Warwick, T O'Toole, A O'Connor, N Timoney, D Shanahan, L Marshall, T Bowe.

Bridge93 · 12-04-2018 11:35AM

Yeah and so far she certainly doesn't seem timid when it comes to making big decisions either.

12-04-2018 12:03PM

errlloyd wrote: »

Their CEO is fairly forward thinking in terms of gender equality and stuff.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/bank-of-ireland-commits-to-gender-equality-in-executive-hires-by-2021-1.3455610

Bleh. Totally off topic but gender quotas are extremely retrograde in my opinion. I would be absolutely disgusted if I thought my gender had any part in getting a job.

stephen_n · 12-04-2018 12:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Bleh. Totally off topic but gender quotas are extremely retrograde in my opinion. I would be absolutely disgusted if I thought my gender had any part in getting a job.

You’d be naive to think it wasn’t a factor.

molloyjh · 12-04-2018 12:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Bleh. Totally off topic but gender quotas are extremely retrograde in my opinion. I would be absolutely disgusted if I thought my gender had any part in getting a job.

I used to think the same until I had a conversation with a couple of people who worked in HR and employment law. As you said, off topic, but there's genuinely good reasons why quotas can and do work.

That rumour about BOI is huge though. And would force the IRFUs hand. There's no way they could afford to take that hit.

Squidgy Black · 12-04-2018 12:38PM

If the IRFU were to go against BOI and re-instate the lads, not only would it be a huge blow losing the money from BOI, but I'd imagine it'd be hard to get a replacement in for them. Not a lot of companies would be willing to announce a sponsorship with them under the circumstances.

thomond2006 · 12-04-2018 12:44PM

The Ospreys team to play Ulster at Kingspan Stadium on Friday 13th April 2018, 7.35pm KO is as follows:

15 Dan Evans
14 Jeff Hassler
13 Kieron Fonotia
12 Owen Watkin
11 Hanno Dirksen
10 Dan Biggar
9 Tom Habberfield

1 Nicky Smith
2 Scott Otten
3 Dmitri Arhip
4 Bradley Davies
5 Adam Beard
6 Alun Wyn Jones (Capt)
7 Sam Cross
8 James King

REPLACEMENTS

16 Ifan Phillips
17 Rhodri Jones
18 Ma’afu Fia
19 Lloyd Ashley
20 Guy Mercer
21 Matthew Aubrey
22 Sam Davies
23 James Hook

The following players are unavailable for selection due to injury:

Cory Allen – Pectoral
Scott Baldwin - Foot
Dan Baker – Knee
Ashley Beck - Hamstring
Josh Cole – Knee
Olly Cracknell - Shoulder
Keelan Giles – Knee
Hugh Gustafson - Achilles
Dafydd Howells - Shoulder
Paul James – Shoulder
Ben John – HIA
Will Jones – Ankle
Dan Lydiate – Bicep
Rob McCusker - Calf
Brian Mujati – Shoulder
Sam Parry - Chest
Gareth Thomas - Shoulder
Rory Thornton – Shoulder
Rhys Webb – Knee

That is some injury list!

awec · 12-04-2018 12:46PM

Losing to an Allen Clarke team would be too much for be to bear.

bilston · 12-04-2018 12:54PM

The Black Stags wrote: »

Ulster Rugby team to play Ospreys, Friday 13th April at Kingspan Stadium, kick-off 7.35pm:

(15-9): C Piutau, L Ludik, D Cave, S McCloskey, J Stockdale, J McPhillips, J Cooney;

(1-8): C Black, R Best (Capt), R Kane, K Treadwell, I Henderson, M Rea, J Deysel, S Reidy;

Replacements (16-23): R Herring, A Warwick, T O'Toole, A O'Connor, N Timoney, D Shanahan, L Marshall, T Bowe.

More rotation at LH. Although Black has been our best No.1 this season. Glad to see O'Toole retained in the squad. Hopefully Kane can replicate O'Toole's carrying last week. I'd take O'Connor over Treadwell any day of the week. Not sure why Timoney has been benched. I guess it shows the high regard in which Reidy is held.

Burkie1203 · 12-04-2018 01:02PM

BOI taking the moral high ground. Lol.

12-04-2018 01:06PM

molloyjh wrote: »

I used to think the same until I had a conversation with a couple of people who worked in HR and employment law. As you said, off topic, but there's genuinely good reasons why quotas can and do work.

That rumour about BOI is huge though. And would force the IRFUs hand. There's no way they could afford to take that hit.

It's not that it's without merit. I understand the concept behind it, I just think it's better to allow things to correct themselves over a longer period of time than to force change through quotas. I think it's better to rectify issues with childcare, parental leave and parental roles than it is to say "x number of roles must be filled with gender y".

I think it devalues achievements of women most of all, and even though it rectifies the gender balance at an executive level in certain fields, it devalues those who got there without quotas.

Bringing it back on topic, should World Rugby demand now that 50% of referees in the pro14 are Women, or should the achievements of Joy Neville prove that if you are good enough, your gender doesn't matter?

if joy neville got her appointment through gender quotas then please redact the above...!

Burkie1203 · 12-04-2018 01:06PM

A cursory glance on Twitter and a lot of people messaging BOI and Vodafone threatening to close accounts/switch providers

Mob out in force again.

Former Former · 12-04-2018 01:08PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

BOI taking the moral high ground. Lol.

I've seen this come up a few times, but in reality a company with previous bad PR needs to be doubly careful about things like this.

errlloyd · 12-04-2018 01:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Bringing it back on topic, should World Rugby demand now that 50% of referees in the pro14 are Women, or should the achievements of Joy Neville prove that if you are good enough, your gender doesn't matter?

if joy neville got her appointment through gender quotas then please redact the above...!

If we're going OT.

She's a pretty good example of the case for gender quotas right? She has the stories of calling a friend of her and asking if he could ever imagine a woman reffing in the AIL and he said not in his lifetime.

Her story has, in a sense, become a glorious inversion of old-school thinking then. The very trigger that brought her here, a comment from someone she respects that a woman refereeing an AIL Division One game would not happen in their "lifetime", seems quaint to the point of innocence now.

(Indo)

Fair play to Joy Neville for overcoming stupid gender obstacles to get to where she is, but how many good referees have we missed out on because they were put off by this sort of talk?

12-04-2018 01:12PM

Former Former wrote: »

I've seen this come up a few times, but in reality a company with previous bad PR needs to be doubly careful about things like this.

Yeah I totally agree. I just don't know how I feel about them effectively threatening a national sporting body in the way that they are.

There are quite a few slippery slopes on display through this entire saga.

BBDBB · 12-04-2018 01:13PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

A cursory glance on Twitter and a lot of people messaging BOI and Vodafone threatening to close accounts/switch providers

Mob out in force again.

Twitter talk is very cheap

We read just after the trial how many people were going to rescind/not buy their season tickets for Ulster if PJ & SO played for Ulster again

A week ago Ulster reported they hadn't had a single letter from their season ticket holders threatening to do so

12-04-2018 01:19PM

errlloyd wrote: »

If we're going OT.

She's a pretty good example of the case for gender quotas right? She has the stories of calling a friend of her and asking if he could ever imagine a woman reffing in the AIL and he said not in his lifetime.

(Indo)

Fair play to Joy Neville for overcoming stupid gender obstacles to get to where she is, but how many good referees have we missed out on because they were put off by this sort of talk?

Maybe loads, maybe none? How many women want to become referees?

How many good referees would we lose if we decided tomorrow that gender was the first deciding factor for qualification and ability was subordinated to second?

We now know that in the physical, male dominated cauldron of professional rugby, that women are capable of refereeing a game to a high standard. Many presumed this to be the case but now we know.

If Joy was appointed to satisfy a quota, she is one bad game away from being completely undermined in her position.

irishbucsfan · 12-04-2018 01:23PM

BBDBB wrote: »

Twitter talk is very cheap

We read just after the trial how many people were going to rescind/not buy their season tickets for Ulster if PJ & SO played for Ulster again

A week ago Ulster reported they hadn't had a single letter from their season ticket holders threatening to do so

Did Ulster say that, or did the Ulster supporters club say that?

BBDBB · 12-04-2018 01:25PM

sorry, at this stage of reading stuff about it I cant honestly remember the source

12-04-2018 01:48PM

Protest now planned for before the game.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/feminist-group-to-protest-at-kingspan-ulster-v-ospreys-game-36799042.html

Saw on twitter that a group in Dublin are arranging busses to head up also.

If anyone is heading I'd say get there early enough, given the content of the protests might not be the best environment for kids either.

awec · 12-04-2018 01:48PM

That was the URSC statement, not Ulster rugby.

Webbs · 12-04-2018 02:05PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Ospreys team to play Ulster at Kingspan Stadium on Friday 13th April 2018, 7.35pm KO is as follows:

15 Dan Evans
14 Jeff Hassler
13 Kieron Fonotia
12 Owen Watkin
11 Hanno Dirksen
10 Dan Biggar
9 Tom Habberfield

1 Nicky Smith
2 Scott Otten
3 Dmitri Arhip
4 Bradley Davies
5 Adam Beard
6 Alun Wyn Jones (Capt)
7 Sam Cross
8 James King

REPLACEMENTS

16 Ifan Phillips
17 Rhodri Jones
18 Ma’afu Fia
19 Lloyd Ashley
20 Guy Mercer
21 Matthew Aubrey
22 Sam Davies
23 James Hook

The following players are unavailable for selection due to injury:

Cory Allen – Pectoral
Scott Baldwin - Foot
Dan Baker – Knee
Ashley Beck - Hamstring
Josh Cole – Knee
Olly Cracknell - Shoulder
Keelan Giles – Knee
Hugh Gustafson - Achilles
Dafydd Howells - Shoulder
Paul James – Shoulder
Ben John – HIA
Will Jones – Ankle
Dan Lydiate – Bicep
Rob McCusker - Calf
Brian Mujati – Shoulder
Sam Parry - Chest
Gareth Thomas - Shoulder
Rory Thornton – Shoulder
Rhys Webb – Knee

That is some injury list!

Gonna be fun to see how AWJ does on the blindside!!

Dog Botherer · 12-04-2018 02:22PM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

A cursory glance on Twitter and a lot of people messaging BOI and Vodafone threatening to close accounts/switch providers

Mob out in force again.

Free market innit. A company does or supports something you don't agree with, you're free to take your business elsewhere. That's capitalism, baby.

Utah_Saint · 12-04-2018 03:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Protest now planned for before the game.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/feminist-group-to-protest-at-kingspan-ulster-v-ospreys-game-36799042.html

Saw on twitter that a group in Dublin are arranging busses to head up also.

If anyone is heading I'd say get there early enough, given the content of the protests might not be the best environment for kids either.

Maybe we could convince the City Hall Fleg protestors to turn up in force to counter....tell them its the start of the Southern Plantation of the North...:angel:

joseywhales · 12-04-2018 03:51PM

Former Former wrote: »

Burkie1203 wrote: »

BOI taking the moral high ground. Lol.

I've seen this come up a few times, but in reality a company with previous bad PR needs to be doubly careful about things like this.

I mean in comparison to the rest of their sector , they have pretty good pr I would say.Though Personally the only thing that would make me change bank is $$.

joseywhales · 12-04-2018 03:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Protest now planned for before the game.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/feminist-group-to-protest-at-kingspan-ulster-v-ospreys-game-36799042.html

Saw on twitter that a group in Dublin are arranging busses to head up also.

If anyone is heading I'd say get there early enough, given the content of the protests might not be the best environment for kids either.

Free bus ride to the game?