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Handwriting decipher thread *must post link to full page*

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    #1322
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,129 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Looking at other records, that priest seems to be fond of putting illegitimate (in various spellings). It looks like it here.

    Port Ryan is a place in that area. See a photo (4th down) on this page

    Not sure what Smith means.

    **edit. Just noticed that page is run by a Wixted.


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    #1323
    oceanclub
    Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    spurious wrote: »
    Looking at other records, that priest seems to be fond of putting illegitimate (in various spellings). It looks like it here.

    Port Ryan is a place in that area. See a photo (4th down) on this page

    Not sure what Smith means.

    **edit. Just noticed that page is run by a Wixted.

    Thanks for that - unusual name as the town is nowhere near the sea or major river. Maybe "Smith" is the job title, I've seen a few baptismal certs from the area with job titles in them (which is very useful).

    P.


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    #1324
    tabbey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭tabbey


    oceanclub wrote: »
    Maybe "Smith" is the job title, I've seen a few baptismal certs from the area with job titles in them (which is very useful).

    P.

    Most likely occupation.

    RC records rarely gave occupations, most regrettable in myview.


    One parish where a priest did record occupation for a brief period, had 99% either farmer or labourer, with an occasional tailor or brogue maker thrown in.
    Sometimes it could confuse the reader, especially when he used Taylor as tailor. Smith is a similar case.


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    #1325
    oceanclub
    Registered Users Posts: 3,411 ✭✭✭oceanclub


    tabbey wrote: »
    Most likely occupation.

    RC records rarely gave occupations, most regrettable in myview.


    One parish where a priest did record occupation for a brief period, had 99% either farmer or labourer, with an occasional tailor or brogue maker thrown in.

    Yeah, I'm doing the Wixted family and note that Newport Tipp includes both local placenames and job titles while Murroe doesn't; the former is very very useful.

    P


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    #1326
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,129 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    Little bit on this page about Wixted blacksmiths.

    Got to love some of the older webpages.


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    #1327
    pedroeibar1
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    oceanclub wrote: »
    Thanks for that - unusual name as the town is nowhere near the sea or major river. .
    'Port' in Irish can be best translated as 'landing place' - it does not always signify a port - in the modern English sense - on an estuary/big river.


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    #1328
    KildareFan
    Registered Users Posts: 683 ✭✭✭KildareFan


    Portach in Irish means a bog - so sometimes the port in a place name refers to a bog.


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    #1329
    pedroeibar1
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    edit - comment on 'port' name placed in 'Chat' thread


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    #1330
    cnoc
    Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭cnoc


    There is a town land in Co Limerick named Portbeg.


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    #1331
    Wyldwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Wyldwood


    Would anyone be able to suggest what the remark in brackets after Johannah Leary is, please?

    16iz9y9.jpg


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    #1332
    spurious
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    Wyldwood wrote: »
    Would anyone be able to suggest what the remark in brackets after Johannah Leary is, please?

    I don't know the exact Latin, but I think it indicates they were 4th cousins.


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    #1333
    jesuisros
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭jesuisros


    KildareFan wrote: »
    Yes - we need to see the full page to see other examples of the writer's handwriting.
    As mentioned previously I don't have any other examples, unfortunately


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    #1334
    pinkypinky
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    We can't help if we can't see the whole page... Where does this signature come from?

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    #1335
    Wyldwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Wyldwood


    spurious wrote: »
    I don't know the exact Latin, but I think it indicates they were 4th cousins.

    I think you're right. Looks like 'insanguino at 4th', although I think the phrase is usually consanguineo. Quite a distant relationship for the priest to be noting though.


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    #1336
    Vetch
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    Wyldwood wrote: »
    I think you're right. Looks like 'insanguino at 4th', although I think the phrase is usually consanguineo. Quite a distant relationship for the priest to be noting though.

    I think the last bit might be 4th degree, of consanguinity maybe, which might be first cousins but that another degree might also be listed before it. Is the whole page available? I think it's 'et' rather than 'at'. 'Et' means 'and' in Latin.


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    #1337
    Hermy
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    jesuisros wrote: »
    As mentioned previously I don't have any other examples, unfortunately

    But you have that example. Can you post the full document or at least give a description of what the document is? Without some context handwriting that is hard to read becomes next to impossible to decipher.

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    #1338
    pinkypinky
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    4th degree is first cousins isn't it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consanguinity#/media/File:Table_of_Consanguinity_showing_degrees_of_relationship.svg

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    #1339
    spurious
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    http://www.uab.edu/humanresources/home/images/M_images/Relations/PDFS/FAMILY%20MEMBER%20CHART.pdf (.pdf) has the relationships laid out.


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    #1340
    Wyldwood
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    Vetch wrote: »
    I think the last bit might be 4th degree, of consanguinity maybe, which might be first cousins but that another degree might also be listed before it. Is the whole page available? I think it's 'et' rather than 'at'. 'Et' means 'and' in Latin.

    Thank you. Here's the whole page. The marriage is towards the end, 13 Feb

    2w6fj0w.jpg


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    #1341
    Vetch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭Vetch


    Wyldwood wrote: »
    Thank you. Here's the whole page. The marriage is towards the end, 13 Feb

    2w6fj0w.jpg

    Is there a link that can be zoomed in on? Can't see this at all.


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    #1342
    shanew
    Registered Users Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭shanew


    link to the marriage on the NLI site (1855 Bantry)


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    #1343
    Vetch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭Vetch


    shanew wrote: »
    link to the marriage on the NLI site (1855 Bantry)

    In 3tio et 4to


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    #1344
    Wyldwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Wyldwood


    Ok I can see that now thanks but, call me stupid :), what does that mean? Why two numbers?


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    #1345
    tabbey
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    Wyldwood wrote: »
    Would anyone be able to suggest what the remark in brackets after Johannah Leary is, please?

    16iz9y9.jpg

    3rd and 4th degree of consanguity = 2nd cousins once removed.

    (They are three and four generations from the common ancestors)


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    #1346
    Vetch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 422 ✭✭Vetch


    Wyldwood wrote: »
    Ok I can see that now thanks but, call me stupid :), what does that mean? Why two numbers?

    There's some info on it here http://www.islandregister.com/consanguinity.html


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    #1347
    Wyldwood
    Registered Users Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭Wyldwood


    Vetch wrote: »
    There's some info on it here http://www.islandregister.com/consanguinity.html

    Thank you Vetch that's extremely helpful. I understand now.


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    #1348
    Hermy
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    Can anyone tell me the forename of the father of the groom in this marriage record? I can't figure what it's supposed to be.


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    #1349
    pinkypinky
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    Sammy?

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    #1350
    mickmackey1
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    pinkypinky wrote: »
    Sammy?
    Could be, although the second 'm' looks a bit different. I'd take a stab at Jamesy, although the J doesn't really look like the one in John.... also the same name as the son and there are 14 Jamesys in the '01 census.


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    #1351
    murfi59
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    Had a look at census 1901 and in Garvagh there is a James and Alice Beirne with an eldest son Francis so i would suggest Farnay as a short version of Francey/ Francis possibly.


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