Men's rights on Abortion?

thierry14 wrote: »

Don't think a man should have a vote

Neither should women over 50

Not going to affect them

It's a change to the Constitution. As such, everyone eligible to vote should be allowed to. Same-sex marriage wouldn't have affected straight people, but by the same logic none of them should have been then allowed to vote, and that's just ridiculous, and would open referendums up to huge challenges.

That said, I believe the choice for whether a woman has an abortion or not lies 100% with the woman (though I would obviously hope that it's discussed with the father where possible first). However, they're the one carrying the child, it's their body and their health that will be affected. It's their choice, and I will 100% be voting to give women that choice, even if a politician says something I don't like, or if one side campaigning says something I don't like. I'm not going to change my vote out of spite because it's not a popularity contest. People should inform themselves and then vote on the issue itself, and not change their vote to spite someone else who'll never even know about it anyway.

thierry14 wrote: »

They dont speak for nieces, daughters, granddaughters

They will get their chance in the future

Alot of elderly women have been brainwashed by the church and they won't be carrying children again, not going to affect them physically

We don't need old grannies blighting the vote

Should be an age demographic vote imo for those physically affected

Thats what I think anyway

Men don't carry the child so of course they shouldn't get a vote

Thankfully that's not how democracy works. You're very quick to paint everyone with general opinions, do you think it doesn't affect older women if their daughters die due to poor care, do you think it doesn't affect men if their wife of partner has to have an abortion due to FFA?

Give people some credit for their lived experiences. The arrogance of suggesting people who don't see things your way shouldn't get a vote is astounding

As drunk monkey and thuerry14 both demonstrate in their own way, it’s really important to reiterate the question in the referendum. The question is about whether you want abortion to be available in Ireland. The question is NOT about whether or not you will personally get an abortion.

A family member of mine is vehemently pro choice even thigh she would personally choose to have a child unless under extreme circumstances. That demonstrates how you could be in favour of the choice even though you would choose not to exorcise it.

lawred2 wrote: »

because all men would vote to keep it?

you're talking anti democratic bollocks there I'm afraid

And I say that as a yes voter

100% I am usually Pro-Choice in everything as its up to the person themselves to choose not the state to determine or support what they decide. I dont think the matter is a female only one as many many men are also affected by the issue be it a wife who dies due to a birth (exceptional) or a pregnant girlfriend having an abortion when he wants to keep it (or vice versa). There is alot more to nurturing and parenting then carrying a child, it goes on beyond childbirth

But lines like that make me think I might not vote

naughtb4 wrote: »

100% I am usually Pro-Choice in everything as its up to the person themselves to choose not the state to determine or support what they decide. I dont think the matter is a female only one as many many men are also affected by the issue be it a wife who dies due to a birth (exceptional) or a pregnant girlfriend having an abortion when he wants to keep it (or vice versa). There is alot more to nurturing and parenting then carrying a child, it goes on beyond childbirth

But lines like that make me think I might not vote

One person saying something you don't like on a discussion board has made you think you might not vote at all?

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I think he has a point in that many of the people to the fore on the repeal side are crazy left wing rad fems from Dublin. I think they're a turn off to a lot of people. Looking at the repeal march in Dublin a lot of the people looked like they'd just crawled out of a swamp. That won't connect with rural voters.

urm :pac:

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I think he has a point in that many of the people to the fore on the repeal side are crazy left wing rad fems from Dublin. I think they're a turn off to a lot of people. Looking at the repeal march in Dublin a lot of the people looked like they'd just crawled out of a swamp. That won't connect with rural voters.

That doesn't change the question being asked in the referendum. It has no effect on it. If you choose to vote against your own ideals and what you think the result should be for the benefit of yourself, your family and for everyone in Ireland, simply because you perceive a small section of repeal voters to be "crazy left wing rad fems", then you are far more crazy than those people.

Quite frankly that type of attitude disgusts me. Regardless of which way you vote I believe your vote should be your answer to the question being asked, and nothing more. It's not about politics or left wing or right wing or anything like that. It's about the question being asked and what answer you think is most beneficial to the country and its inhabitants.

optogirl wrote: »

One person saying something you don't like on a discussion board has made you think you might not vote at all?

You think its that one person? really?