nav[aria-label="Primary Navigation"] { padding: 0; & ul { list-style: none; width: 100%; display: flex; flex-direction: row; justify-content: start; align-items: start; gap: 30px; padding: 0; & li { margin: 0; } & ul li { list-style: none; } } }

Men's rights on Abortion?

drunkmonkey

Do we get a look in anywhere or can a man/boyfriend/fiance/husband legally challenge a woman's decision to abort?

I've put in a poll to see what you think

Find more posts tagged with

Comments

Penn

thierry14 wrote: »

Don't think a man should have a vote

Neither should women over 50

Not going to affect them

It's a change to the Constitution. As such, everyone eligible to vote should be allowed to. Same-sex marriage wouldn't have affected straight people, but by the same logic none of them should have been then allowed to vote, and that's just ridiculous, and would open referendums up to huge challenges.

That said, I believe the choice for whether a woman has an abortion or not lies 100% with the woman (though I would obviously hope that it's discussed with the father where possible first). However, they're the one carrying the child, it's their body and their health that will be affected. It's their choice, and I will 100% be voting to give women that choice, even if a politician says something I don't like, or if one side campaigning says something I don't like. I'm not going to change my vote out of spite because it's not a popularity contest. People should inform themselves and then vote on the issue itself, and not change their vote to spite someone else who'll never even know about it anyway.

NinetyTwoTeam

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

thierry14 wrote: »

Don't think a man should have a vote

Neither should women over 50

Not going to affect them

That's crap, it can potentially affect anyone.

Men can face decisions about abortion with their partners, daughters

Some women over 50 were under the voting age when this shoddy amendment was introduced, they've lived their entire reproductive lives with no right to chose or consent re their maternity care, why shouldn't they have a say for their daughters, nieces, and granddaughters experiences of maternity care?

Exactly right, and if anyone should be denied a vote it's eejits who can't grasp the concepts in that last paragraph.

anyway the odds are even shorter now than they were a month ago on paddypower, repeal is 1/5. dead cert, and can't wait to do my bit and vote yes.

thierry14

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

That's crap, it can potentially affect anyone.

Men can face decisions about abortion with their partners, daughters

Some women over 50 were under the voting age when this shoddy amendment was introduced, they've lived their entire reproductive lives with no right to chose or consent re their maternity care, why shouldn't they have a say for their daughters, nieces, and granddaughters experiences of maternity care?

They dont speak for nieces, daughters, granddaughters

They will get their chance in the future

Alot of elderly women have been brainwashed by the church and they won't be carrying children again, not going to affect them physically

We don't need old grannies blighting the vote

Should be an age demographic vote imo for those physically affected

Thats what I think anyway

Men don't carry the child so of course they shouldn't get a vote

drunkmonkey

Is that you Ruth?

Triceratops Ballet

thierry14 wrote: »

They dont speak for nieces, daughters, granddaughters

They will get their chance in the future

Alot of elderly women have been brainwashed by the church and they won't be carrying children again, not going to affect them physically

We don't need old grannies blighting the vote

Should be an age demographic vote imo for those physically affected

Thats what I think anyway

Men don't carry the child so of course they shouldn't get a vote

Thankfully that's not how democracy works. You're very quick to paint everyone with general opinions, do you think it doesn't affect older women if their daughters die due to poor care, do you think it doesn't affect men if their wife of partner has to have an abortion due to FFA?

Give people some credit for their lived experiences. The arrogance of suggesting people who don't see things your way shouldn't get a vote is astounding

El_Duderino 09

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is that you Ruth?

You don’t know whether that poster is a man or woman, pro repeal or anti. Feel free to make an assumption that agrees with your bias.

El_Duderino 09

As drunk monkey and thuerry14 both demonstrate in their own way, it’s really important to reiterate the question in the referendum. The question is about whether you want abortion to be available in Ireland. The question is NOT about whether or not you will personally get an abortion.

A family member of mine is vehemently pro choice even thigh she would personally choose to have a child unless under extreme circumstances. That demonstrates how you could be in favour of the choice even though you would choose not to exorcise it.

lawred2

thierry14 wrote: »

They dont speak for nieces, daughters, granddaughters

They will get their chance in the future

Alot of elderly women have been brainwashed by the church and they won't be carrying children again, not going to affect them physically

We don't need old grannies blighting the vote

Should be an age demographic vote imo for those physically affected

Thats what I think anyway

Men don't carry the child so of course they shouldn't get a vote

because all men would vote to keep it?

you're talking anti democratic bollocks there I'm afraid

And I say that as a yes voter

wexie

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

A family member of mine is vehemently pro choice even thigh she would personally choose to have a child unless under extreme circumstances. That demonstrates how you could be in favour of the choice even though you would choose not to exorcise it.

My wife is pretty much the same, now chances are if she did become pregnant she would have to have an abortion as it would come down the choice of having the baby or being able to walk.

But she wouldn't choose to have one. Yet she very firmly believes it's not up to her to be able to dictate someone else's choice.

Her elderly mother, who has a very strong faith, has come around to pro choice as she has realized that without it if my wife (her daughter) would happen to get pregnant again, she would likely never walk (properly) again which would destroy her life, my life and our children's lives.

It's not that hard from where I stand really.

dregin

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Is that you Ruth?

Is that you Leo?

drunkmonkey

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

As drunk monkey and thuerry14 both demonstrate in their own way, it’s really important to reiterate the question in the referendum.

The only thing it's demonstrated is the wrong people are pushing for a yes in the media.
I won't be supporting someone I disagree with every time they open their mouths.

optogirl

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The only thing it's demonstrated is the wrong people are pushing for a yes in the media.
I won't be supporting someone I disagree with every time they open their mouths.

'the wrong people'? will you come out of your own ar*e

ThunbergsAreGo

lawred2 wrote: »

because all men would vote to keep it?

you're talking anti democratic bollocks there I'm afraid

And I say that as a yes voter

100% I am usually Pro-Choice in everything as its up to the person themselves to choose not the state to determine or support what they decide. I dont think the matter is a female only one as many many men are also affected by the issue be it a wife who dies due to a birth (exceptional) or a pregnant girlfriend having an abortion when he wants to keep it (or vice versa). There is alot more to nurturing and parenting then carrying a child, it goes on beyond childbirth

But lines like that make me think I might not vote

.......

This post has been deleted.

optogirl

naughtb4 wrote: »

100% I am usually Pro-Choice in everything as its up to the person themselves to choose not the state to determine or support what they decide. I dont think the matter is a female only one as many many men are also affected by the issue be it a wife who dies due to a birth (exceptional) or a pregnant girlfriend having an abortion when he wants to keep it (or vice versa). There is alot more to nurturing and parenting then carrying a child, it goes on beyond childbirth

But lines like that make me think I might not vote

One person saying something you don't like on a discussion board has made you think you might not vote at all?

DickSwiveller

....... wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I think he has a point in that many of the people to the fore on the repeal side are crazy left wing rad fems from Dublin. I think they're a turn off to a lot of people. Looking at the repeal march in Dublin a lot of the people looked like they'd just crawled out of a swamp. That won't connect with rural voters.

wexie

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I think he has a point in that many of the people to the fore on the repeal side are crazy left wing rad fems from Dublin. I think they're a turn off to a lot of people.

But don't you think that goes for either side on most hotly debated issues?

.......

This post has been deleted.

DickSwiveller

....... wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

What opinion?

lawred2

naughtb4 wrote: »

100% I am usually Pro-Choice in everything as its up to the person themselves to choose not the state to determine or support what they decide. I dont think the matter is a female only one as many many men are also affected by the issue be it a wife who dies due to a birth (exceptional) or a pregnant girlfriend having an abortion when he wants to keep it (or vice versa). There is alot more to nurturing and parenting then carrying a child, it goes on beyond childbirth

But lines like that make me think I might not vote

Lines like what?

If one single person saying something blunts your pro choice sentiments that easily I'd have to doubt your pro choice claims to be honest.

lawred2

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I think he has a point in that many of the people to the fore on the repeal side are crazy left wing rad fems from Dublin. I think they're a turn off to a lot of people. Looking at the repeal march in Dublin a lot of the people looked like they'd just crawled out of a swamp. That won't connect with rural voters.

urm :pac:

wexie

lawred2 wrote: »

urm :pac:

't was a hippy swamp, not a proper honest country bog like

drunkmonkey

lawred2 wrote: »

urm :pac:

Look at them, bottom left https://goo.gl/images/6Nz1NP

The yes side look like a shower of raving loonies.

.......

This post has been deleted.

.......

This post has been deleted.

DickSwiveller

....... wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Not just on their appearance - though that is part of it. It's the way they act, their miserable, po faced look. I couldn't care less about appearance but I think you'd find it hard to argue that the crowd at the repeal marches aren't the most pleasant individuals. They are a minority of the pro choice voters. I know lots of people in work who are voting to remove the 8th and don't like the people leading the campaign.

Penn

DickSwiveller wrote: »

I think he has a point in that many of the people to the fore on the repeal side are crazy left wing rad fems from Dublin. I think they're a turn off to a lot of people. Looking at the repeal march in Dublin a lot of the people looked like they'd just crawled out of a swamp. That won't connect with rural voters.

That doesn't change the question being asked in the referendum. It has no effect on it. If you choose to vote against your own ideals and what you think the result should be for the benefit of yourself, your family and for everyone in Ireland, simply because you perceive a small section of repeal voters to be "crazy left wing rad fems", then you are far more crazy than those people.

Quite frankly that type of attitude disgusts me. Regardless of which way you vote I believe your vote should be your answer to the question being asked, and nothing more. It's not about politics or left wing or right wing or anything like that. It's about the question being asked and what answer you think is most beneficial to the country and its inhabitants.

optogirl

DickSwiveller wrote: »

Not just on their appearance - though that is part of it. It's the way they act, their miserable, po faced look. I couldn't care less about appearance but I think you'd find it hard to argue that the crowd at the repeal marches aren't the most pleasant individuals. They are a minority of the pro choice voters. I know lots of people in work who are voting to remove the 8th and don't like the people leading the campaign.

are you seriously saying you 'don't like' someone based on a photo of them at a march? If my 6 year old came out with that he'd be getting a good talking to about his lack of maturity.

ThunbergsAreGo

optogirl wrote: »

One person saying something you don't like on a discussion board has made you think you might not vote at all?

You think its that one person? really?

optogirl

naughtb4 wrote: »

You think its that one person? really?

You wrote 'But lines like that make me think I might not vote'.