Can you sue a pub landlord for slander

ebbsy · 10-04-2018 09:47PM

I know a good solicitor. His offices are wheelchair friendly and he is open on Saturdays.

mynamejeff · 10-04-2018 09:50PM

shaunr68 wrote: »

Yes, it's private property. They can choose to serve who they like, and turn away customers for any reason they wish as long as they don't discriminate based on race, gender, sexual orientation, disability etc.

He's within his rights to refuse to serve fatties, speccies or gingers

no its not , if its open its a public place for the purposes of the law.

harry Bailey esq · 10-04-2018 09:50PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Plenty salt of the earth bar crawlers have a deep seated hatred of anyone with a southern English accent

Exactly. And it's the regular barfly who keeps the lights on, had you have been served one of the regular lads may have taken an issue with your accent which could have led to a potentially messy situation which in turn could of landed your good self in a potentially messier situation. The protocol in pubs the world over, from Timbuktu to Tallaght via Torremollinos remains the same, if you get refused a drink the first time you approach the counter it's not happening. Simple as. Spend your hard earned cash elsewhere, where the proprietors actually value your custom. As regarding litigation, are said barflys going to stand witness for you in court against people they spend most of their waking hours with? That one is up for you to decide. The boss, or 'landlord' as you refer to him made absolutely the right call on this one in regards to backing his staff.

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 09:52PM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Exactly. And it's the regular barfly who keeps the lights on, had you have been served one of the regular lads may have taken an issue with your accent which could have led to a potentially messy situation which in turn could of landed your good self in a potentially messier situation. The protocol in pubs the world over, from Timbuktu to Tallaght via Torremollinos remains the same, if you get refused a drink the first time you approach the counter it's not happening. Simple as. Spend your hard earned cash elsewhere, where the proprietors actually value your custom. As regarding litigation, are said barflys going to stand witness for you in court against people they spend most of their waking hours with? That one is up for you to decide. The boss, or 'landlord' as you refer to him made absolutely the right call on this one in regards to backing his staff.

CCTV shows us talking and who was there. My watch tells us what it was about.

Fann Linn · 10-04-2018 09:53PM

Just ring up a solicitor and get their advice. But post back here and let us know how many €000s you get.

Wheety · 10-04-2018 09:55PM

Uncharted wrote: »

Cool story........ just didn't happen though IMO.

Jesus Christ, why does someone say this in every thread? Just because nothing happens to you doesn't mean others don't have a bit of drama in their life.

shaunr68 · 10-04-2018 09:56PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

no its not , if its open its a public place for the purposes of the law.

For the purposes of discrimination legislation. It isn't illegal to discriminate based on hair colour, body weight or the wearing of optical correction devices. What law would the landlord be breaking if he refused to serve someone "because you're a ginger"?

Fighting Tao · 10-04-2018 09:56PM

If a landlord called a guy a wanker how would it be proved it’s slander?

mynamejeff · 10-04-2018 09:58PM

shaunr68 wrote: »

For the purposes of discrimination legislation. It isn't illegal to discriminate based on hair colour, body weight or the wearing of optical correction devices. What law would the landlord be breaking if he refused to serve someone "because you're a ginger"?

I was clarifying the PUBLIC PLACE reference . not he discrimination , in bold ?

I like gingers , especially their women folk .............

bobmalooka · 10-04-2018 10:00PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

no its not , if its open its a public place for the purposes of the law.

Invitation is implied by being open, invitation can be revoked for no reason because it’s a private property.

shaunr68 · 10-04-2018 10:01PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

I was clarifying the PUBLIC PLACE reference . not he discrimination , in bold ?

I like gingers , especially their women folk .............

Sorry it's late and I misread your post. As a speccy and a bit of a fatty I wouldn't like to meet this hypothetical landlord either.

Off to bed for me

buster76 · 10-04-2018 10:01PM

Only 2 legal reasons you can be refused entry or service is if you are too drunk or have caused problems on the premises before. Unfortunately the onus is on you too prove innocence in both cases. You got to love legal loopholes

mynamejeff · 10-04-2018 10:03PM

bobmalooka wrote: »

Invitation is implied by being open, invitation can be revoked for no reason because it’s a private property.

got some case law or legislation on that ?

If he was asked to leave and refused he wouldn't be arrested or trespassing .

He could however be arrested under the public order act (which requires a public place )

Hitman3000 · 10-04-2018 10:03PM

cryptocurrency wrote:

I think your 2700 plus posts in less than one year where most of them is just snipping from the sidelines on the topic you focused in that evening clearly indicate that you have little going on in your life. As for being in school....I sense it was a long time ago you were in school and now life has passed you by you watch the clock tick down on boards.ie. Oh the joys.

I find it fun to comment , no more no less. A distraction if you will. Thanks for the heads up on the count. Had no idea what it was myself.

monkeysnapper · 10-04-2018 10:05PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I always get worried about somebody when I hear them say ''Can I sue?''

Unless sue is HOT , then its let's get this party started more like!!!!

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 10:05PM

buster76 wrote: »

Only 2 legal reasons you can be refused entry or service is if you are too drunk or have caused problems on the premises before. Unfortunately the onus is on you too prove innocence in both cases. You got to love legal loopholes

So they can’t say or prove a date when this happened because in all likelihood I was not in Ireland. I work overseas and pop back on my rotation and almost never go to that pub. They can hit me with any date I know the exact dates and times I was in that pub and never with friends. Be funny if they gave a date and I show they I was not in Europe ....odds are they could pick lots of dates and they will find this is the case. I ask them to try that one.

endacl · 10-04-2018 10:09PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

An acknowledgment it wasn’t me.

I'm happy to acknowledge that it wasn't you.

Will that do?

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 10:12PM

endacl wrote: »

I'm happy to acknowledge that it wasn't you.

Will that do?

Unfortunately not

Hammer89 · 10-04-2018 10:15PM

I wouldn't serve anyone as argumentative or as rude as you, or anyone who ordered a glass of Guinness.

endacl · 10-04-2018 10:17PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

Unfortunately not

I'm out of ideas.

harry Bailey esq · 10-04-2018 10:21PM

monkeysnapper wrote: »

Unless sue is HOT , then its let's get this party started more like!!!!

You diabolical goal snatching bastard! I had a much funnier play on the word Susan before you jumped in. I know your type, with your clicky heels and your shady deals and that royal dagenham swagger.. With your cheap cologne and your mobile phone and the face of a carpet bagger

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 10:24PM

Hammer89 wrote: »

I wouldn't serve anyone as argumentative or as rude as you, or anyone who ordered a glass of Guinness.

I was driving and it’s the most I’ll order. I never go to this place unless I am driving as it’s out of the way to get home. The two times I ever had more than a glass there I can name the dates and duration I was in there and the misses drove.

nullzero · 10-04-2018 10:26PM

He doesn't have to serve you if he doesn't want to.
For your part you can sue for defamation of character seeing you were accused falsely of something you didn't do.

If they were smart they would have just asked you to leave and not given you a reason other than they have the right to refuse service.

You can argue you were embarrassed in front of your family and the other patrons.

As a side note I have a mental image of Al Murray being the pub landlord telling you to get aat of 'is gaff.

Sofa King Great · 10-04-2018 10:28PM

Did you tell the bar staff you were recording them?

Best advice here is put it down to experience and move on

Fighting Tao · 10-04-2018 10:29PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I was driving and it’s the most I’ll order. I never go to this place unless I am driving as it’s out of the way to get home. The two times I ever had more than a glass there I can name the dates and duration I was in there and the misses drove.

Maybe he was saving you.

dxhound2005 · 10-04-2018 10:30PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

It’s an app I have on the watch. I can just record the same as a phone on it. The other barman knows I’m easy going as we talked about me paying using a crypto linked debit card and also using the android pay on my watch to tap for payments.

Is it legal for you to record those conversations on your watch unless you obtain prior permission for the other party? The recordings might not allowed as evidence in a court.

Maybe your covert recording is the real reason you were excluded.

weldoninhio · 10-04-2018 10:30PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

So they can’t say or prove a date when this happened because in all likelihood I was not in Ireland. I work overseas and pop back on my rotation and almost never go to that pub. They can hit me with any date I know the exact dates and times I was in that pub and never with friends. Be funny if they gave a date and I show they I was not in Europe ....odds are they could pick lots of dates and they will find this is the case. I ask them to try that one.

Or they could say, can’t remember it was weeks ago.

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 10:34PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Is it legal for you to record those conversations on your watch unless you obtain prior permission for the other party? The recordings might not allowed as evidence in a court.

Maybe your covert recording is the real reason you were excluded.

I was recording myself and as I am aware that is fine...quality and training purposes

cryptocurrency · 10-04-2018 10:36PM

nullzero wrote: »

He doesn't have to serve you if he doesn't want to.
For your part you can sue for defamation of character seeing you were accused falsely of something you didn't do.

If they were smart they would have just asked you to leave and not given you a reason other than they have the right to refuse service.

You can argue you were embarrassed in front of your family and the other patrons.

As a side note I have a mental image of Al Murray being the pub landlord telling you to get aat of 'is gaff.

I agree this would have been a much wiser approach if that was the games they wanted to play. This whole drinking with some mate and starting a fight is fantasy in their side.

dxhound2005 · 10-04-2018 10:37PM

cryptocurrency wrote: »

I was recording myself and as I am aware that is fine...quality and training purposes

It will be useless as evidence if only your side of the conversation is there. You might have to call the ten or so drinkers as witnesses.

Can you sue a pub landlord for slander

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