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Irish woman gang raped by 6 men in Czech hotel

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  • #242
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    I got attacked by 3 guys in Dublin many years ago. Looking back I was tremendously naive and could have easily avoided it had I been more streetwise. Am I victim blaming myself?


  • #243
    irishrebe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭irishrebe


    professore wrote: »
    irishrebe wrote: »
    Exactly. I remember reading stories of men being randomly attacked in Dublin (killed, in some cases) and I don't remember ONE person asking what they were doing walking alone at night. Not one. They were (rightly) seen as unfortunate victims of bad luck. Attacked while just walking home after enjoying spending time with friends. Nobody was asking why they didn't get a taxi, what were they wearing, why were they out at all.


    What has that got to do with anything? In question here is meeting a stranger in a nightclub and going back to their bedroom on your own in a foreign country. Male or female this is a BAD idea.  Not walking down a street and getting attacked. Two very different scenarios. The latter is just bad luck.
    Because there are plenty of posters stating that women shouldn't walk alone at night, especially after drinking. Any time a woman does so and is raped or attacked, there's a load of people asking what she was doing walking alone and questioning her choice of attire. When a man does so and is attacked, people say how awful it is and what bad luck. People don't question his right to have been doing what he was doing, or imply he was an idiot.


  • #244
    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    The Backwards Man wrote: »
    Haven't you heard? Sharia law is widespread across Europe, the hordes are on our doorstep, they must be stopped.

    pathetic


  • #245
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    irishrebe wrote: »
    Because there are plenty of posters stating that women shouldn't walk alone at night, especially after drinking. Any time a woman does so and is raped or attacked, there's a load of people asking what she was doing walking alone and questioning her choice of attire. When a man does so and is attacked, people say how awful it is and what bad luck. People don't question his right to have been doing what he was doing, or imply he was an idiot.

    Men and women face different dangers. A man generally is far less likely to be raped in this situation for many reasons, mainly biological. Therefore women should take different precautions than men.

    This really feels like mansplaining but it's clearly necessary.

    And of course there are lots of judgemental idiots out there too.


  • #246
    cantdecide
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,363 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    irishrebe wrote: »
    Exactly. I remember reading stories of men being randomly attacked in Dublin (killed, in some cases) and I don't remember ONE person asking what they were doing walking alone at night. Not one. They were (rightly) seen as unfortunate victims of bad luck. Attacked while just walking home after enjoying spending time with friends. Nobody was asking why they didn't get a taxi, what were they wearing, why were they out at all.

    That sounds like a completely made up statement. It may not be but it sounds makeupable, unproveable statement.

    Who are you talking about as being in a position to comment or not comment? Online posters? Newsreaders? What attacks are you talking about?


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  • #247
    irishrebe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭irishrebe


    magentis wrote: »
    professore wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything? In question here is meeting a stranger in a nightclub and going back to their bedroom on your own in a foreign country. Male or female this is a BAD idea.  Not walking down a street and getting attacked. Two very different scenarios. The latter is just bad luck.

    Why is it a bad idea????

    This happens all over the world every night of the week.This is how many of us came to exist!!!!!

    Did you not see the snapper?
    I'm wondering if some of the posters here still live in their parents' basement. Afraid to go to 'foreign' places in case they get a kidney stolen or their bank account emptied by some Latvian temptress in a bar. Like, I'm not saying people should throw caution to the wind, but Jesus, you need to live your life. Taking reasonable precautions and having some cop on is fine in most cases. I know people whose parents brought them up to be afraid of their own shadow and it hasn't done them any good. In fact, they're the most vulnerable, because they haven't learned any independence or life skills.


  • #248
    irishrebe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭irishrebe


    cantdecide wrote: »
    irishrebe wrote: »
    Exactly. I remember reading stories of men being randomly attacked in Dublin (killed, in some cases) and I don't remember ONE person asking what they were doing walking alone at night. Not one. They were (rightly) seen as unfortunate victims of bad luck. Attacked while just walking home after enjoying spending time with friends. Nobody was asking why they didn't get a taxi, what were they wearing, why were they out at all.

    That sounds like a completely made up statement. It may not be but it sounds makeupable, unproveable statement.

    Who are you talking about as being in a position to comment or not comment? What attacks are you talking about?
    Of course it's unprovable. I don't copy and paste every single comment of every single article I ever read. I remember one case of a journalist (?) who was attacked and killed walking in South Dublin city centre. Read quite a bit about it on forums, newspapers online and heard people talking about it in real life. Don't remember anyone questioning why he was walking alone at night.


  • #249
    irishrebe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭irishrebe


    professore wrote: »
    irishrebe wrote: »
    Because there are plenty of posters stating that women shouldn't walk alone at night, especially after drinking. Any time a woman does so and is raped or attacked, there's a load of people asking what she was doing walking alone and questioning her choice of attire. When a man does so and is attacked, people say how awful it is and what bad luck. People don't question his right to have been doing what he was doing, or imply he was an idiot.

    Men and women face different dangers. A man generally is far less likely to be raped in this situation for many reasons, mainly biological. Therefore women should take different precautions than men.

    This really feels like mansplaining but it's clearly necessary.

    And of course there are lots of judgemental idiots out there too.
    Talk about missing the point. I'm not talking about the type of attack. I'm saying that generally when these things happen to men, the reaction is shock and sympathy for the victim. Not blaming them.


  • #250
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,196 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Mutant z wrote: »
    The followers of the religion of peace treat these women like pieces of meat its best for European women to not get romantically involved with them.

    Or people who work for the BBC.


  • #251
    Appledreams15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Appledreams15


    irishrebe wrote: »
    professore wrote: »
    irishrebe wrote: »
    Because there are plenty of posters stating that women shouldn't walk alone at night, especially after drinking. Any time a woman does so and is raped or attacked, there's a load of people asking what she was doing walking alone and questioning her choice of attire. When a man does so and is attacked, people say how awful it is and what bad luck. People don't question his right to have been doing what he was doing, or imply he was an idiot.

    Men and women face different dangers. A man generally is far less likely to be raped in this situation for many reasons, mainly biological. Therefore women should take different precautions than men.

    This really feels like mansplaining but it's clearly necessary.

    And of course there are lots of judgemental idiots out there too.
    Talk about missing the point. I'm not talking about the type of attack. I'm saying that generally when these things happen to men, the reaction is shock and sympathy for the victim. Not blaming them.
    when teenage boys said they were raped by priests, I don't remember anyone saying they should have been more careful, and not been alone with an older man.

    Women are not respected worldwide, period. Therefore everything is the woman's fault, not the person that rapes her.

    The question is: how do we change generations of misogyny, and get the majority of men to respect women? It is hard to change something that has existed for so long.

    How many rapes have to happen, before countries start to put better protections into place


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  • #252
    Appledreams15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Appledreams15


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    irishrebe wrote: »
    Right, so basically we ARE to assume that all men are potential rapists. That's what you're saying. You've just reworded it to sound less sinister.

    Well if it's a man completely unknown to you then how are you supposed to know if they are a potential rapist or not? Anything is possible so if someone wants to take reasonable precautions then whats the problem. How the hell is it "sinister"?

    I stayed in a shared dorm once and woke up to a strange man sitting on my bed staring at me.  I wasn't travelling alone but if it was I would have felt totally vulnerable in that situation. Good for you if you don't. I wouldn't say it was "irresponsible" if you feel you can handle yourself in such a situation  but why the need to try  and guilt others for the way they feel?
    Again, most women are raped by someone they know. This is proven statistically. Look at all the cases in Ireland where women were raped by fathers, stepfathers, boyfriends etc.
    Just because you 'know' someone doesnt make you safe.
    The real thing that needa to be drummed into young men is to respect women.


  • #253
    Chris_Heilong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,972 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    Considering this is an Irish public forum and the girls family may stumble upon this board I want to say my best wishes are to the girl and her family.

    I am just happy that the Czech police found the animals that assaulted the girl and were not held back for fear of being labeled racist.


  • #254
    gw80
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭gw80


    givyjoe wrote: »
    And I suppose they think pizza delivery guys always get sex upon delivery of food too right?
    No no, you're right, obviously you have outwitted me. i must be wrong if you can just dismiss my opinion with casual sarcasm,

    People from these places are exactly like us, they have the exact same cultures and values as us, they are basically just brown irish people, right,
    how stupid of me to try and get some perspective on the situation, I must be a right racist to think that the immigrants commiting these crimes might have some responsibility for there actions.


  • #255
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Prague is not a city to be travelled without keeping your head about you, Budapest is just as bad.

    Was talking to the owner of an Irish bar while there last with work as it about the big skull and crossbones sign warning punters not to take any taxi parked in front of the pub, basically some Czechs were posing as taxi drivers and driving anyone they picked up coming out of the pub, to the suburbs and robbing them at gun point.

    Another two favourite tricks that were commonly heard of

    1. Girl offers a quickie down an ally, the guys just about gets the trousers around the ankles when a couple of 'cops' arrive and it's either an on the spot fine or a trip to the station, strangely the girl always manages to get away.

    2. Girl invites guy back to her apartment, they arrive in the outskirts and meet the local welcoming committe, where it's time for a good **** kicking and no wallet.

    Not surprised by some of the comments on here and the actual lack of concern for her from some posters as the same form shown on other threads.


  • #256
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,222 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Appledreams15 wrote:
    The question is: how do we change generations of misogyny, and get the majority of men to respect women? It is hard to change something that has existed for so long.

    No. That's YOUR question. You may have had a **** life that's skewed your view on men, but that's your reality. Not normal reality.

    We don't consider everyone as a murderer because of the view of someone whose life has been ****ed up because of a murder.

    I'm sorry you had a **** experience. Its not the norm thankfully


  • #257
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    The question is: how do we change generations of misogyny, and get the majority of men to respect women? It is hard to change something that has existed for so long.

    I think you'll probably find that the majority of men (in this country at least, and many more) already respect....well just people in general, not sure why you believe women should be respected more than other people...


  • #258
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    Again, most women are raped by someone they know. This is proven statistically. Look at all the cases in Ireland where women were raped by fathers, stepfathers, boyfriends etc.
    Just because you 'know' someone doesnt make you safe.
    The real thing that needa to be drummed into young men is to respect women.

    its better just to teach your kids to respect everybody, singling out one gender in terms of being a threat to the other is not far off the toxic masculinity garbage that feminists peddle

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #259
    fash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,280 ✭✭✭fash


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Another two favourite tricks that were commonly heard of

    1. Girl offers a quickie down an ally, the guys just about gets the trousers around the ankles when a couple of 'cops' arrive and it's either an on the spot fine or a trip to the station, strangely the girl always manages to get away.

    2. Girl invites guy back to her apartment, they arrive in the outskirts and meet the local welcoming committe, where it's time for a good **** kicking and no wallet.
    Those 2 examples would be more similar in nature to the “risks females face” being mentioned in the thread than the “guy gets beaten up in the street”.
    Where a guy got caught out by one of the tricks mentioned above, who would feel sympathy? Who would feel he was partly at fault? Who would feel both apply?


  • #260
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,207 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Prague is not a city to be travelled without keeping your head about you, Budapest is just as bad.
    .

    Have to say I found Budapest safer than walking around Dublin city centre.


  • #261
    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    RustyNut wrote: »
    As pointed out by a poster on another thread, the gateston institute you are relying on for your information (conformation bias) are proven sh1t stirring, bigoted liars.


    I don't really know about them , but where did you get that information ? - the SPLC ?

    Because they are the exact same but on the far left.


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  • #262
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    Again, most women are raped by someone they know. This is proven statistically. Look at all the cases in Ireland where women were raped by fathers, stepfathers, boyfriends etc.
    Just because you 'know' someone doesnt make you safe.
    The real thing that needa to be drummed into young men is to respect women.

    It already is drummed into them from all sides. For a small minority it won't work.


  • #263
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Have to say I found Budapest safer than walking around Dublin city centre.

    Really, did security for 10 years in Dublin, definitely more cautious in Budapest.

    Glasgow in the late nineties beat both hands down however, but again working security so seen the worse side.


  • #264
    enricoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,553 ✭✭✭enricoh


    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/amp/

    I read this earlier in the thread. Is this true? It looks legit.
    In summary a 14 year old girl was repeatedly raped. 4 years later when it went to court the nigerian attackers got suspended sentences. The story is kept out of the papers.
    One of the players now plays in the league of Ireland for Waterford. I was reading Paul kimmages piece about a Munster player who got done for taking steroids, why is no one writing about a child rapist??


  • #265
    DavidLyons_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    when teenage boys said they were raped by priests, I don't remember anyone saying they should have been more careful, and not been alone with an older man.

    Women are not respected worldwide, period. Therefore everything is the woman's fault, not the person that rapes her.

    The question is: how do we change generations of misogyny, and get the majority of men to respect women? It is hard to change something that has existed for so long.

    How many rapes have to happen, before countries start to put better protections into place
    You are a hateful, toxic poster. Your views are an utter disgrace.

    It must be terrible to live as such a bitter, unhappy person.


  • #266
    Appledreams15
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 379 ✭✭Appledreams15


    I just looked at the 'Most beautiful women in the world' thread.

    Men saying
    "I wouldn't bang her" "I'd do her"
    It is all power tripping talk like sex is completely the man's decision. I had to remind them that the woman has a choice in having sex aswell.

    Respect needs to start everywhere


  • #267
    Sweetemotion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,561 ✭✭✭Sweetemotion


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    Again, most women are raped by someone they know. This is proven statistically. Look at all the cases in Ireland where women were raped by fathers, stepfathers, boyfriends etc.
    Just because you 'know' someone doesnt make you safe.
    The real thing that needa to be drummed into young men is to respect women.


    Who exactly are raising these young men?

    84% of lone parents are women.
    87% of primary school teachers are women.
    99% of childcare workers are women.

    Maybe you should talk with your sistas. :rolleyes:


  • #268
    givyjoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    when teenage boys said they were raped by priests, I don't remember anyone saying they should have been more careful, and not been alone with an older man.

    Women are not respected worldwide, period. Therefore everything is the woman's fault, not the person that rapes her.

    The question is: how do we change generations of misogyny, and get the majority of men to respect women? It is hard to change something that has existed for so long.

    How many rapes have to happen, before countries start to put better protections into place

    What utterly an deluded hysterical statement. How do we get the majority of men to respect women?! They do ffs.


  • #269
    DavidLyons_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭DavidLyons_


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Appledreams15 wrote: »
    Again, most women are raped by someone they know. This is proven statistically. Look at all the cases in Ireland where women were raped by fathers, stepfathers, boyfriends etc.
    Just because you 'know' someone doesnt make you safe.
    The real thing that needa to be drummed into young men is to respect women.


    Who exactly are raising these young men?

    84% of lone parents are women.
    87% of primary school teachers are women.
    99% of childcare workers are women.

    Maybe you should talk with your sistas. :rolleyes:
    Check and Mate in all honesty.


  • #270
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Sweetemotion wrote: »
    Who exactly are raising these young men?

    84% of lone parents are women.
    87% of primary school teachers are women.
    99% of childcare workers are women.

    Maybe you should talk with your sistas. :rolleyes:

    You're choosing to blame women for the existence of rape? Let's consider it this way, when there's calls to do consent classes, individuals such as yourself tend to be outraged by the very concept. Women are no the sole party that raises children btw. In many senses, raising a child is a community effort and views are absorbed from every corner. So to blame women, well that's a pretty warped attitude from your side.


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  • #271
    thebull85
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭thebull85


    enricoh wrote: »
    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/theukdatabase.com/2014/11/01/3-kildare-residents-each-receive-suspended-sentences-for-sexual-abuse-of-schoolgirl/amp/

    I read this earlier in the thread. Is this true? It looks legit.
    In summary a 14 year old girl was repeatedly raped. 4 years later when it went to court the nigerian attackers got suspended sentences. The story is kept out of the papers.
    One of the players now plays in the league of Ireland for Waterford. I was reading Paul kimmages piece about a Munster player who got done for taking steroids, why is no one writing about a child rapist??

    Because he took out an injunction against the media printing his name.


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