Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2018 06:27PM

erica74 wrote: »

But, at one point your partner was just another woman, when/how did she make the transition to not being spoken about like the "other types of women"?

Again, I am not sure what you are trying to ask?

foxyladyxx · 06-04-2018 06:29PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Hmmm I don't know, they do it so often I'm beginning to think the woman in the bed is just there for cover. Those boys sure do enjoy being in bed together.

They are not the only guys who frequent clubs in the hopes of ''getting laid'' . .No doubt a tipsy and pretty girl makes the prospect of a close encounter back home appear all the more exciting. They are not the only guys in the public eye to avail of the women available in these VIP areas. Hopefully the positive that will follow as a result of this very public shaming is that both sexes have a long hard look at their behaviours and their attitudes to the opposite sex.

Both need to learn to respect themselves and the opposite sex.

facehugger99 · 06-04-2018 06:30PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Most people I know who've had one night stand or had hook up had didn't really leave on any terms. The person that stayed over just left and moved on.
The guys I know wouldn't never really leave a woman hysterical tough. They main reason why I saw women to get upset was because they cheated on their boyfriend.
The only time I saw somebody who couldn't be calmed down was when she realised she slept with somebody and her boyfriends sister walked in. She left the place hysterical.

Listen these are all great anecdotes and all but why do you keep mentioning them?
They have little in common with the case under discussion.

I suspect your trying to minimize the fact that the young woman in this case left in hysterics by mentioning other times you’ve witnessed women getting upset after sex, even though your examples are totally different.

Or am I missing something?

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2018 06:31PM

cloudatlas wrote: »

They weren't driving cars they were texting, they also went out to a cafe so they could all meet together unusually, without their phones to not discuss the night before... sounds sober enough to know what you're doing to me.

You say giddy in an effort to lighten it and make it sound good, I would say it's a fairly crass conversation. The conversation was misogynist yes I agree with you there.

You say it was crass. That is your value judgement.
They make value judgements about certain people and they are misogynist.

Can you see the hypocrisy in this?

jimmycrackcorm · 06-04-2018 06:32PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

You aren't really understanding where this is at, are you. Usually people consensually hook up for sex without feeling the need to degrade that person the next day, not to mention the fact that they leave on good terms.

Perhaps if you got a sneak look at their private WhatsApp data, or were able to listen in to their private conversations with their friends you might think differently.

freshpopcorn · 06-04-2018 06:34PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Listen these are all great anecdotes and all but why do you keep mentioning them?
They have little in common with the case under discussion.

I suspect your trying to minimize the fact that the young woman in this case left in hysterics by mentioning other times you’ve witnessed women getting upset after sex, even though your examples are totally different.

Or am I missing something?

Because people keep on mentioning she left the house hysterical my point is it can happen for many reasons.

Mrsmum · 06-04-2018 06:36PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You say it was crass. That is your value judgement.
They make value judgements about certain people and they are misogynist.

Can you see the hypocrisy in this?

Once again I hate to have to remind you, PJ also agrees it was crass, in fact I think he described it as degrading and offensive.

Silentcorner · 06-04-2018 06:46PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Because people keep on mentioning she left the house hysterical my point is it can happen for many reasons.

So...you are saying there is a possibility the young lady was upset because she cheated on her boyfriend? (as this seems to be the reason all your experiences indicate)

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2018 06:49PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Once again I hate to have to remind you, PJ also agrees it was crass, in fact I think he described it as degrading and offensive.

And you know what I think of that apology.
It was to appease people like you.

People will be going out in Belfast tonight not one bit changed in behaviour or attitude.

The 'mob' can sleep soundly relishing their victory. :rolleyes:

facehugger99 · 06-04-2018 06:49PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Because people keep on mentioning she left the house hysterical my point is it can happen for many reasons.

Ok, so you’re trying to minimize it. That’s what I thought.

freshpopcorn · 06-04-2018 06:50PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

So...you are saying there is a possibility the young lady was upset because she cheated on her boyfriend? (as this seems to be the reason all your experiences indicate)

I'm not referring to this case. I'm just speaking about reasons why I've seen women get hysterical after sex apart from rape.
No, that's the most common reason I saw. When I say common it happened about ten times.
Another reason was generally regret and mammy and daddy finding out. The only reason why I saw a woman unable to be calmed down was because she got caught be her boyfriends sister.

Mrsmum · 06-04-2018 06:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And you know what I think of that apology.
It was to appease people like you.

People will be going out in Belfast tonight not one bit changed in behaviour or attitude.

The 'mob' can sleep soundly relishing their victory. :rolleyes:

And if they end up in court or maybe in jail, they have no one to blame but themselves

Silentcorner · 06-04-2018 06:52PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'm not referring to this case. I'm just speaking about reasons why I've seen women get hysterical after sex apart from rape.
No, that's the most common reason I saw. When I say common it happened about ten times.
Another reason was generally regret and mammy and daddy finding out. The only reason why I saw a woman unable to be calmed down was because she got caught be her boyfriends sister.

You do realise this thread is about this case, it's in the title....right?

facehugger99 · 06-04-2018 06:52PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And you know what I think of that apology.
It was to appease people like you.

It’s surprising you’re questioning Paddy’s word.

I thought you fully believed his account of what went on that evening.

How can you be sure of this anymore given you believe he’s lying in his statement today?

freshpopcorn · 06-04-2018 06:54PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You do realise this thread is about this case, it's in the title....right?

Yes I do and the jury found the men not guilty of rape so can we rule rape out of the reasons she left the house hysterical?

Silentcorner · 06-04-2018 06:55PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes I do and the jury found the men not guilty of rape so can we rule rape out of the reasons she left the house hysterical?

So why are you prattling on about your numerous experiences then?

facehugger99 · 06-04-2018 06:56PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes I do and the jury found the men not guilty of rape so can we rule rape out of the reasons she left the house hysterical?

Yeah, I guess it means she probably cheated on her boyfriend so.

freshpopcorn · 06-04-2018 06:57PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

So why are you prattling on about your numerous experiences then?

Some people are a little naive or haven't experienced house/college parties with young men and women for along time. I'm just sharing my experience with them.

freshpopcorn · 06-04-2018 06:58PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Yeah, I guess it means she probably cheated on her boyfriend so.

I never said that about the woman in this case.Did I?

almostover · 06-04-2018 06:59PM

tretorn wrote: »

Oh, for Gods sake Erica, women who hang around night clubs looking to have casual sex with men who run fast after rugby balls are viewed at best as being on the dim side.

If they have casual sex regularly then in a small place they become known as the village bike or the slut.

Francie when it came to choosing a long term partner is not going to choose a promiscious woman, why would he, he needs to know the children he supports are his and if he marries a woman who puts it about with other men on a regular basis then she may do this after she marries him.

Its all biology, men only want to rer children with their own genes, they will reject a child if they are unsure of paternity.

This is all terribly unpc and no one will say it to your face, they will say of course you should sleep with whoever you like and go down the towns main street like a pole dancer, you go girl erica, isnt this what the suffragettes fought for. They will laugh at you behind your back though and tell their daughters to keep away from you.

How many more young men are we going to parade around with scripted aplogies in their hands. Would ritual suicide be a happy outcome for some people.

I think the mob is calling for public castrations actually!

Silentcorner · 06-04-2018 07:00PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Some people are a little naive or haven't experienced house/college parties with young men and women for along time. I'm just sharing my experience with them.

Any of them end up in court?

Kidchameleon · 06-04-2018 07:00PM

Who cares if she was upset. She is an adult. None of the defendents were responsible for her. Pump and dump.

freshpopcorn · 06-04-2018 07:01PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Any of them end up in court?

No but if they did they'd have being found not guilty because they did nothing wrong if an allegation was made!

Mrsmum · 06-04-2018 07:01PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

It’s surprising you’re questioning Paddy’s word.

I thought you fully believed his account of what went on that evening.

How can you be sure of this anymore given you believe he’s lying in his statement today?

I think Paddy has kinda disappointed people like Francie because Francie has been saying for days Paddy did nothing wrong but oh dear along comes Paddy and says actually he did and he is ashamed of himself. Course Paddy might be lying now as Francie suggests but then that means he could be lying before. Methinks Francie is doing Paddy no favours.

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2018 07:02PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

It’s surprising you’re questioning Paddy’s word.

I thought you fully believed his account of what went on that evening.

How can you be sure of this anymore given you believe he’s lying in his statement today?

I don't believe he is lying. It was clear from his answers at the trial that he regretted what happened.

Today is for those who didn't hear or couldn't work it out above the noise.

AllForIt · 06-04-2018 07:05PM

Disappointed to see Jackson making a public apology for the text messages which you know technically are supposed to be private - it's not like he posted them on twitter. Obviously just like when anyone in the public eye is shown to have done something that does not meet the standard of the morally superior public which doesn't even exist, it is the done thing that if they want to keep working in their profession they must issue an emphatic unreserved apology - and that is of course the only reason he issued this apology today.

erica74 · 06-04-2018 07:07PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You do realise this thread is about this case, it's in the title....right?

To be fair the thread has turned to a more general discussion about the aspects of society that this case has highlighted so I think it's reasonable enough that everyone is contributing their experience and views.

facehugger99 · 06-04-2018 07:08PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't believe he is lying. It was clear from his answers at the trial that he regretted what happened.

Today is for those who didn't hear or couldn't work it out above the noise.

Ah, so you’ve changed your mind again, The whatsapp conversation was degrading and offensive.

Glad we’ve cleared that up.

FrancieBrady · 06-04-2018 07:09PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think Paddy has kinda disappointed people like Francie because Francie has been saying for days Paddy did nothing wrong but oh dear along comes Paddy and says actually he did and he is ashamed of himself. Course Paddy might be lying now as Francie suggests but then that means he could be lying before. Methinks Francie is doing Paddy no favours.

The amateur dectectives are on the case again.

Francie suggested days ago that Paddy may have apologised privately to the girl because he had already expressed his regret for her state leaving his house.

Francie has no opinion of whether what they did was 'right or wrong' because Francie doesn't judge what people did in their bedrooms.

Therefore Francie is not disappointed at all except in people's desire to cling to some kind of victory to sate their outrage.

holyhead · 06-04-2018 07:11PM

In terms of Jackson's apology the sincerity of it will be proven by his subsequent behaviour towards women. Any man who has pride in himself would be mortified to have such juvenile/disrespectful text messages shown to the world. It was a well worded apology.

Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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