The fall of the British Empire

Atoms for Peace · 05-04-2018 07:52PM #1

It looks like it's the end for Britain. Brexit, social disintegration, political instability, a failing health and welfare system all seem to be combining in a grotesque death spiral.
Can we learn from anything from their example or are we to doomed to failure?

05-04-2018 07:53PM

we???

Atoms for Peace · 05-04-2018 07:57PM

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we???

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1.
used by a speaker to refer to himself or herself and one or more other people considered together.
"shall we have a drink?"
2.
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SCOOP 64 · 05-04-2018 07:58PM

The British Empire was finished decades ago.

JeffKenna · 05-04-2018 08:00PM

History tells us all empires will fall eventually.

TheQuietFella · 05-04-2018 08:01PM

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

It looks like it's the end for Britain. Brexit, social disintegration, political instability, a failing health and welfare system all seem to be combining in a grotesque death spiral.
Can we learn from anything from their example or are we to doomed to failure?

Yes we can learn quite an amount but I would be accused of being a racist by the

mindless minority if I were to make comparisons!

Auguste Comte · 05-04-2018 08:03PM

TheQuietFella wrote: »

Yes we can learn quite an amount but I would be accused of being a racist by the

mindless minority if I were to make comparisons!

Is that because you are a racist or just that your ideas are racist?

Fred Swanson · 05-04-2018 08:12PM

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05-04-2018 08:14PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

History tells us all empires will fall eventually.

Including the empire known as the EU!

Johnnycanyon · 05-04-2018 08:14PM

Karma in action.

Church on Tuesday · 05-04-2018 08:16PM

Trust me, they will be fine.

Brexit will bite though.

TheValeyard · 05-04-2018 08:20PM

JeffKenna wrote: »

History tells us all empires will fall eventually.

Mine has yet to rise.

05-04-2018 08:21PM

The main thing that will be learned is whether a country can leave and sink or swim after leaving the EU, the second thing is whether Ireland can survive the shock of the leaving.

05-04-2018 08:21PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Remember when the southern crypto-unionists said that rejoining the Commonwealth would be great so we could take part in the games? It barely even registers on the british websites

Mint Sauce · 05-04-2018 08:21PM

Beacuse the Irish Empire really are world leaders OP.

05-04-2018 08:25PM

There's more to empire than occupation. the Roman Empire still rules most of Europe through culture tradition and law. The British empire likewise, even if England sinks in the sea, has a cultural empire, and linguistic.

greencap · 05-04-2018 08:26PM

If feeling a little uncomfortable with a rising number of mosques and kebab shops, and tabloid talk of sharia law, try closing the doors marked 'Malaysia' and 'Pakistan' rather than the one marked 'Poland'.

Del.Monte · 05-04-2018 08:28PM

Since we are being pedantic - to???

ToddyDoody · 05-04-2018 08:30PM

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

It looks like it's the end for Britain. Brexit, social disintegration, political instability, a failing health and welfare system all seem to be combining in a grotesque death spiral.
Can we learn from anything from their example or are we to doomed to failure?

I don't know. Some of the stats on the Wikipedia page don't seem too shabby.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_United_Kingdom

It's the 30% (about 2 billion each way) of total back and forth trade between us and NI that really is the tricky bit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Northern_Ireland

Then again, Irish life and permanent secretly sent 4bn back and forth to Anglo Irish so how big a deal can it be?

Cina · 05-04-2018 08:32PM

The UK has been more and more of a non entity on the world stage for decades now and it's their own misplaced arrogance in thinking they still are that brought along something as idiotic as Brexit.

Auguste Comte · 05-04-2018 08:45PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Yay, who is ahead in the native slaughtering, my money is on the israelis,although could be the brits, or the russians. I don't think the Belgians or the Dutch have been on top of their game lately.

Ipso · 05-04-2018 08:48PM

Auguste Comte wrote: »

Yay, who is ahead in the native slaughtering, my money is on the israelis,although could be the brits, or the russians. I don't think the Belgians or the Dutch have been on top of their game lately.

Who knows, maybe the Bantus, Ottomans and the Mongols might make a come back.

Del.Monte · 05-04-2018 08:48PM

Cina wrote: »

The UK has been more and more of a non entity on the world stage for decades now and it's their own misplaced arrogance in thinking they still are that brought along something as idiotic as Brexit.

How do you figure this? In what sense a non-entity? If being a world power is based on a country's ability to extinguish life on the planet, the UK is still right up there along with the US, Russia and China. As for why people voted for Brexit - a multitude of reasons apart from a dislike of Johnny Foreigner.

Guy:Incognito · 05-04-2018 08:49PM

Well surely if brexit is the right thing, then the break up of the UK is also the right thing. Unless the whole thing is just about "Union of countries where England isn't the leader" = bad, but "union of countries where England is the leader" = good .

Surprised Nigel Farage isn't campaigning for a break up..........

gw80 · 05-04-2018 09:02PM

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The main thing that will be learned is whether a country can leave and sink or swim after leaving the EU, the second thing is whether Ireland can survive the shock of the leaving.

Yea i think it will be a rough ride at first but i think eventually it will come right,
There seems to be a lot of scaremongering and doomsday guff from the eu. Witch to be fair is to be expected, the eu is hardly going to turn aroud and say, ah they'll be grand shur, that wouldn't gell with the eu,s social experiment.

Ipso · 05-04-2018 09:11PM

gw80 wrote: »

Yea i think it will be a rough ride at first but i think eventually it will come right,
There seems to be a lot of scaremongering and doomsday guff from the eu. Witch to be fair is to be expected, the eu is hardly going to turn aroud and say, ah they'll be grand shur, that wouldn't gell with the eu,s social experiment.

Come right to what, some by gone glory days.

05-04-2018 09:12PM

gw80 wrote: »

Yea i think it will be a rough ride at first but i think eventually it will come right,
There seems to be a lot of scaremongering and doomsday guff from the eu. Witch to be fair is to be expected, the eu is hardly going to turn aroud and say, ah they'll be grand shur, that wouldn't gell with the eu,s social experiment.

The greatest fear amongst the EU elite (& multinational business leaders) is that if the UK finds a way to not fail and decline further, that other countries may also want out!

The EU has been very successful in concentrating great power (politically and financially) into the hands of a very small number of people.

The people in the UK are pulling back from that.

05-04-2018 09:17PM

greencap wrote: »

If feeling a little uncomfortable with a rising number of mosques and kebab shops, and tabloid talk of sharia law, try closing the doors marked 'Malaysia' and 'Pakistan' rather than the one marked 'Poland'.

The fact they gain entry is because they were formly part of the British empire

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_immigration_to_the_United_Kingdom

Something most ignore and could be seen as the empire strikes back if your of a certain mindset.

Hande hoche! · 05-04-2018 09:20PM

Soon the emergence of the Greater Faroe Islands...

gw80 · 05-04-2018 09:21PM

Ipso wrote: »

Come right to what, some by gone glory days.

I never said anything about glory days,
Some people are pushing this idea that Britain is going to turn into a near third world country, look at Switzerland and Norway, not in the eu, doing quite alright for themselves, i could see Britain eventually coming to a similar level and standing as these countrys

05-04-2018 09:24PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

The fact they gain entry is because they were formally part of the British empire

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_immigration_to_the_United_Kingdom

Something most ignore and could be seen as the empire strikes back if your of a certain mindset.

Since the1950s, during times of labour shortages, there were active campaigns to get the former colonials over to boost the workforce. I somehow think that the idea of them staying wasn't thought through enough. They were just seen as "resources" (no different to the way businesses look at staff these days) that could be discarded when finished with.

More recently though, they have been seen as a way of pulling wages down by employing then and undercutting locals who are forced to work for less or stay on the dole. The very people who voted leave!

The fall of the British Empire

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