London Cops arrest pensioner for defending himself

Odyssey 2005 · 05-04-2018 01:12AM

Dai John wrote: »

Under UK law if you are in fear of your life you can defend yourself with reasonable force. If the intruder has a knife it is ok to blast him with a shotgun, however you must shoot him in the front of his body. If you shoot him in the back it is assumed he was going away and did not represent a threat. At 78 or whatever it would be best to blast away at these lowlifes and admit to everything, that way you get to spend the rest of your life in comparative luxury in a nice clean cell with 3 square meals a day etc.

Not my fault if he turns around quickly,when he hears the bang...!

Johngoose · 05-04-2018 02:23AM

Didn’t a Traveller in Ireland kill a burglar with a garden shears and he walked out of court a free man?

NIMAN · 05-04-2018 03:18AM

He did, but we have different laws than the UK.

Graces7 · 05-04-2018 05:32AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I often wonder how many women would be in a position to fight back. Far as I know all perpetrators of intruder killings were men. But I am sure someone will put me right.

Anyway. Just saying.

I know a lady who goes out, in Canada, with others, to feed tramps etc.She drives with a baseball bat to hand and has been known to use it to good effect when attacked.

Irish Guitarist · 05-04-2018 07:39AM

He should be knighted and they should throw a big party for him with cocktail sausages made from the dead burglar and they should serve the cocktail sausages on screwdrivers. That's what I think should happen but all the libtard sheeple will disagree. It's political correctness gone mad.

Hande hoche! · 05-04-2018 11:21AM

Well he got bail. Pending further inquiries. Will be interested to see how he gets on.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-43648896

Chris_Heilong · 05-04-2018 03:06PM

As far as I know the law in Ireland says you can use equivalent force, so if someone breaks into your house with a baseball bat then you are legally allowed use a base ball bat to defend yourselves, If some one is coming to kill you with a knife you are allowed stab them and so on, but if they break in unarmed you are not allowed hit them over the head with a hammer for example.

This law was introduced a few years ago when the old man down the country was arrested for shooting a burglar and there was public outcry that the guy had been arrested.

Captain Obvious · 05-04-2018 04:38PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

As far as I know the law in Ireland says you can use equivalent force, so if someone breaks into your house with a baseball bat then you are legally allowed use a base ball bat to defend yourselves, If some one is coming to kill you with a knife you are allowed stab them and so on, but if they break in unarmed you are not allowed hit them over the head with a hammer for example.

This law was introduced a few years ago when the old man down the country was arrested for shooting a burglar and there was public outcry that the guy had been arrested.

He didn't get off because of the law, the jury just felt sorry for him.

05-04-2018 04:54PM

STB. wrote: »

Its in the common area entrance to an apartment complex in Clondalkin.
There are actually three armed burglary cases pending involving this teenager over the course of last weekend.

Whilst there are better protections if you were at home, the same reasons apply to using reasonable self-defence. If the gravity of the situation requires force to protect oneselfs even if that may result in the death of an assailant then its the lawfulness is what comes into it.

It would be very difficult to explain any form of calculation on the person attacked especially for self preservation, when you are being attacked by someone brandishing a knife in a slashing manner.

If someone drove a car over that guy I wouldn't convict. Jesus like usually the point of a weapon is threat/intimidation but he wasn't long starting to swipe with it. It'll be a shame if he makes it to a courtroom.

RustyNut · 05-04-2018 05:04PM

Lizbeth Squeaking Oats wrote: »

This picture is from the Mirror, taken when he visited D for a couple of Guinness (at the same time), fair play to the 78yr old.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-picture-pensioner-78-arrested-12304310

That man has a problem alright, two pints, one mouth.

bizidea · 05-04-2018 05:16PM

Its an awful pity he didnt get near the second burglar as well anyway at least theres one less scumbag in the world he should be awarded freedom of the city

wexie · 05-04-2018 05:20PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

He should be knighted and they should throw a big party for him with cocktail sausages made from the dead burglar and they should serve the cocktail sausages on screwdrivers.

Be curious to see what the vegans would make of that

jmayo · 05-04-2018 05:24PM

Lizbeth Squeaking Oats wrote: »

This picture is from the Mirror, taken when he visited D for a couple of Guinness (at the same time), fair play to the 78yr old.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-picture-pensioner-78-arrested-12304310

And you fookers said Enda never met a man with two pints.

See here is the proof.

And he picked up some god old fashioned Mayo methods on how to deal with scumbags as well.

Varik · 05-04-2018 08:54PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

As far as I know the law in Ireland says you can use equivalent force, so if someone breaks into your house with a baseball bat then you are legally allowed use a base ball bat to defend yourselves, If some one is coming to kill you with a knife you are allowed stab them and so on, but if they break in unarmed you are not allowed hit them over the head with a hammer for example.

This law was introduced a few years ago when the old man down the country was arrested for shooting a burglar and there was public outcry that the guy had been arrested.

It's reasonable force, and not equivalent but when the law changed it was to that you believe is reasonable force.

it's why the killkenny lad who killed the 1 and injured the other wasn't charged, but why the hedge clippers guy was but then acquitted. Charges were brought as they didn't agree that belief was honestly held. It's very hard to prove whether a belief is honestly held or not.

Mint Sauce · 05-04-2018 09:54PM

Lizbeth Squeaking Oats wrote: »

This picture is from the Mirror, taken when he visited D for a couple of Guinness (at the same time), fair play to the 78yr old.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/first-picture-pensioner-78-arrested-12304310

Never mess with a man, and his two pints.

Seriously though. Hope he gets off, the man is a hero.

Johngoose · 05-04-2018 09:59PM

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

As far as I know the law in Ireland says you can use equivalent force, so if someone breaks into your house with a baseball bat then you are legally allowed use a base ball bat to defend yourselves, If some one is coming to kill you with a knife you are allowed stab them and so on, but if they break in unarmed you are not allowed hit them over the head with a hammer for example.

This law was introduced a few years ago when the old man down the country was arrested for shooting a burglar and there was public outcry that the guy had been arrested.

Best to have a wide array of weapons by your bed, then judge what the burglar has and pick up the equivalent weapon.:-)

Samuel T. Cogley · 05-04-2018 10:05PM

ED E wrote: »

Its no different here.

It's subtly different in that we have a codified law on the subject.

Defence and the Dwelling Act 2011

Irish Guitarist · 06-04-2018 05:00AM

I've never understood the thinking behind calling someone like this a hero. He defended himself. If he hadn't he could be dead. That's self survival, not heroism. I don't blame him for it but how exactly is it heroic? Heroism is putting your life at risk for someone else.

anewme · 06-04-2018 07:09AM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I've never understood the thinking behind calling someone like this a hero.

He looks like Mr. Miyagi from the Karate kid.
He is seventy eight years of age.
He drinks two Guinness at the same time.
He is a quiet and unassuming man who cares for his ill wife, is a good neighbor and is not seen much but attends the community street parties
He defends his wife and his home against not one, but two burglars.

If you were scripting an OAP Superhero character, this is your man.

On a serious note, I hope this is settled quickly for him as he does not seem to be someone that would be comfortable in the limelight and he is allowed to live the rest of his life in peace.

jmayo · 06-04-2018 06:31PM

Johngoose wrote: »

Best to have a wide array of weapons by your bed, then judge what the burglar has and pick up the equivalent weapon.:-)

ehh what about a slasher or briar hook ?

freshpopcorn · 06-04-2018 06:41PM

From what they just said on the news no further action will be taken against the man.

Noveight · 06-04-2018 06:42PM

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Zero sympathy for the bloke who's dead or his family tbh.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 06-04-2018 06:42PM

Is he an Asian gentleman or just old looking?

Like 'old man' Harrison in Pawn Stars. He's so old and ragged that he looks Asian.

super_furry · 06-04-2018 06:49PM

Police confirm that there will be no action taken against the man. Can everyone put their 'DAMN PC SOCIETY!!!' banners down now?

Samuel T. Cogley · 06-04-2018 06:57PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

From what they just said on the news no further action will be taken against the man.

Justice served, let's just hope there's no civil case to answer.

OldMrBrennan83 · 06-04-2018 07:00PM

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Mint Sauce · 06-04-2018 07:57PM

No further action to be taken.

Result!

uck51js9zml2yt · 06-04-2018 08:10PM

I love how Guinness managed to get some free advertising with his photo!

NIMAN · 06-04-2018 09:21PM

He's Made of More.

Wibbs · 06-04-2018 11:15PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I've never understood the thinking behind calling someone like this a hero. He defended himself. If he hadn't he could be dead. That's self survival, not heroism. I don't blame him for it but how exactly is it heroic? Heroism is putting your life at risk for someone else.

He was defending his terrified bedridden wife who suffers from dementia against two intruders half his age, using one of their weapons against them. Dunno about you but the man sounds like a hero to me.

As for the dead? He belonged to a family politely described as antisocial career criminals who preyed on the old and weak(they thought) and were so brazen and unrepentant about this they boasted about it on social media. Now if they were teenagers and/or junkies I'd have some sympathy believe it or not. The young can go astray all too easily and there would be an element of but for the grace of god in my thinking there. However these "men" were well beyond the age of mature reason, but happily continued on this repellent path. So for me they're better described as unrepentant feral scum that would serve humanity best by being locked up away from decent people. Or in this case of poetic justice dying by the hand of the "old and weak". Good riddance.

If that offends the right on? Meh. I just hope that if it ever did come to it I'd have half the fortitude and strength that elderly man showed. *eyes accurate "decorative" Roman gladius on the wall*

There was a similar case three(?) years ago, again in England where a scumbag tried to burgle an elderly couple's home, only to get the living sh1te knocked out of him by a near 80 year old, who just happened to be an ex army self defence instructor and lifetime boxer with a fair few wins under his belt. Sweeeeet.

London Cops arrest pensioner for defending himself

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