Relentless taunting and bullying that leads to suicide.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 04-04-2018 10:22AM #1

One of many similar stories, but what is wrong with young people who see nothing wrong with bullying someone so badly that they commit suicide, and who even continue to taunt their victim after they have survived a suicide attempt?

I genuinely can't even begin to understand the mindset of young people like this.

http://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/mum%e2%80%99s-plea-for-bullying-law-%e2%80%98it%e2%80%99s-too-late-for-nicole-but-may-help-another-family%e2%80%99/ar-AAvqXdG?li=BBr5KbJ

Mossy Monk · 04-04-2018 10:26AM

They should be publicly flogged. Cowards is all they are.

garbo speaks · 04-04-2018 10:26AM

Some people just like to see others suffer.:(

razorblunt · 04-04-2018 10:32AM

Wow, that seems to be a bit of different story though, from the usual "teenage" bullying", given the issues appeared to start when she was 18.
Sad story too. As an aside though I find that grieving a bit OTT, but each to their own.

I remember the first young person suicide I encountered was a lad from my rugby team. Lovely guy, bit timid, like many of us, carried a bit too much weight so was podgy. No issues in the club but he didn't come back one season after being there for the previous 3. Saw his death notice in the newspaper about 2 months later. Poor fella had hung himself in the garage, he lived close by too so I'd often think about him when I was walking my dig past his house. Still do.
Turned out he was bullied quite badly in school.

04-04-2018 10:32AM

Some people are just ****s. They were bullying and taunting when I was a teen, and there's going to be people doing it long after I'm dead.

I wish there was some way to teach teens how to protect themselves from these muppets. For most of us, we learn how to do so in our twenties after the worst of it is finished.

jimgoose · 04-04-2018 10:33AM

Children are basically wild animals. Empathy for one's fellow-creatures and manners come with maturity and an understanding that if you act like an asshole you will be treated as such. In the old days, if a youngster was acting like that towards another person their father would say something like "What am I after rearing?!?! If I catch you behaving like that again I'll kick the head clean off you, you little shit!!". Nowadays, due to technology they have free-reign and this sort of thing is virtually impossible to detect and put a stop to in good time.

Graces7 · 04-04-2018 10:34AM

facebook needs to be closed down, And kids meanwhile need to stop using it.

SEPT 23 1989 · 04-04-2018 10:44AM

would have no issue doing a stretch if that was my daughter and i found the ring leaders addresses

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 04-04-2018 10:45AM

I never witnessed this level of bullying when I was a teenager. A bit of slagging, or some sneering about people behind their back, yes. But not ongoing and relentless taunting, and pleasure in seeing the victim become more and more distressed to the point of suicide.

This seems to be relatively recent and it's worrying that some young people seem to be so detached from reality that they can't understand that the source of their 'pleasure' is another human being with real feelings and emotions. I would be sick to my stomach if any of my nephews or nieces took part in that kind of behaviour.

Stonedpilot · 04-04-2018 11:10AM

Graces7 wrote: »

facebook needs to be closed down, And kids meanwhile need to stop using it.

Gurantee you have an active updated facebook account.

Birneybau · 04-04-2018 11:19AM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Gurantee you have an active updated facebook account.

I believe she's an elderly lady so...maybe

04-04-2018 11:22AM

Tyson Harsh Cylinder wrote: »

I never witnessed this level of bullying when I was a teenager. A bit of slagging, or some sneering about people behind their back, yes. But not ongoing and relentless taunting, and pleasure in seeing the victim become more and more distressed to the point of suicide.

This seems to be relatively recent and it's worrying that some young people seem to be so detached from reality that they can't understand that the source of their 'pleasure' is another human being with real feelings and emotions. I would be sick to my stomach if any of my nephews or nieces took part in that kind of behaviour.

Hardly relatively recent. I'm in my early 40s and I was relentlessly bullied in both primary and secondary school. Physical and emotional abuse. I had the misfortune of having my parents as teachers in both schools. I also have a shaking disorder (the more obvious reason to be bullied about).

There have always been kids/teens who either punish for their own pleasure or to gain social standing with others. Before I was 18, I was put in hospital 4 times by others. Not a simple beating, but broken bones. I won't go into the emotional abuse except to say that young people can be very inventive in how they want to abuse someone else.

This isn't new behavior. They've just got some new delivery systems for their abuse.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 04-04-2018 11:23AM

It's terrible to think that even though the Gardaí knew what was going on, there is absolutely no law whatsoever to prevent this type of behaviour and the awful consequences that follow.

I really hope this poor mother achieves her aim of getting some kind of law introduced to counter this increasing phenomenon of some young people behaving like absolute animals, emotionally savaging someone to death just for kicks.

Stonedpilot · 04-04-2018 11:23AM

These things happen people go ahhhh isnt that terrible/ what a tradegy/ I hope those responsible get whats coming to them/ so sad etc etc etc

All thats nice but utterly meaningless rhetoric.

We all know people struggling ask them do they want to talk, talk to the folk in shops them name tags help build rapport who bothers addressing the person by their name even?. Sit with a homeless person on the street and chat.
Its not the talking its giving the other person TIME. People pick up on you spending time on them gives them self worth.

The only way we can connect with folk is in real life person to person.

This online malarkey is just people sprouting off virtue signalling pladitudes.

Graces7 · 04-04-2018 11:23AM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Gurantee you have an active updated facebook account.

Really? Then you would be totally wrong. I had one long ago and binned it fast. A friend is someone I can talk to , share with in complete trust, sit down to coffee with. Not some faceless attacker .
At least here we can use the ignore button.

These kids use facebook like a deadly weapon; too cowardly to face those they are attacking . Dump facebook and give kids a chance,

Maybe you remember a short while ago a teenager who vanished on St Patrick;s night and was found dead? Another social media casualty.

The more attractive and gifted the person, the more they get attacked.

Stop giving them a chance.

Graces7 · 04-04-2018 11:25AM

Birneybau wrote: »

I believe she's an elderly lady so...maybe

Thank you! Even were I not I would bin facebook . See my reply later.

Graces7 · 04-04-2018 11:28AM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

These things happen people go ahhhh isnt that terrible/ what a tradegy/ I hope those responsible get whats coming to them/ so sad etc etc etc

All thats nice but utterly meaningless rhetoric.

We all know people struggling ask them do they want to talk, talk to the folk in shops them name tags help build rapport who bothers addressing the person by their name even?. Sit with a homeless person on the street and chat.
Its not the talking its giving the other person TIME. People pick up on you spending time on them gives them self worth.

The only way we can connect with folk is in real life person to person.

This online malarkey is just people sprouting off virtue signalling pladitudes.

Hoping you do all this; I certainly do when I am out.

Wondering why you are here then :rolleyes:

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 04-04-2018 11:30AM

Stonedpilot

The fact that people want to discuss the issue, doesn't mean that they don't also engage with people, build relationships, get involved in their community etc.

I don't really understand your post.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 04-04-2018 11:33AM

Birneybau wrote: »

I believe she's an elderly lady so...maybe

Oh don't play the age card!
I'm 74 and have a Facebook account - little used but handy for sharing family photos and keeping in touch with family on their travels. I know several in the 75 to 85 age bracket with very active Facebook accounts. Though none of them engage in taunting or bullying behaviour.

Those inclined to such cruel behaviour will find other ways if not using Facebook.
Suicides as a result of online bullying are reported on and, to a degree quantifiable. Years ago people committed suicide and the societal issues and pressures that led to them were not known, because most taunting etc. was verbal and secreted.

punisher5112 · 04-04-2018 11:40AM

Tyson Harsh Cylinder wrote: »

I never witnessed this level of bullying when I was a teenager. A bit of slagging, or some sneering about people behind their back, yes. But not ongoing and relentless taunting, and pleasure in seeing the victim become more and more distressed to the point of suicide.

This seems to be relatively recent and it's worrying that some young people seem to be so detached from reality that they can't understand that the source of their 'pleasure' is another human being with real feelings and emotions. I would be sick to my stomach if any of my nephews or nieces took part in that kind of behaviour.

It ain't recent it's just with so much on social media etc it's so much more out there.

Bullying is shocking and my whole time from playschool to secondary was hell.

Permabear · 04-04-2018 11:55AM

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Ashbourne hoop · 04-04-2018 12:07PM

Tyson Harsh Cylinder wrote: »

It's terrible to think that even though the Gardaí knew what was going on, there is absolutely no law whatsoever to prevent this type of behaviour and the awful consequences that follow.

I really hope this poor mother achieves her aim of getting some kind of law introduced to counter this increasing phenomenon of some young people behaving like absolute animals, emotionally savaging someone to death just for kicks.

It comes under the Non Fatal Offences Against the Person Act 1997, and my understanding is that charges have been brought in similar circumstances. Should be used more often in my opinion.

Ashbourne hoop · 04-04-2018 12:13PM

Graces7 wrote: »

facebook needs to be closed down, And kids meanwhile need to stop using it.

Kids (12-16) are now giving Facebook a wide berth. Instagram and Snapchat are now the social media of choice for that age group. Snapchat is a particularly difficult one as posts disappear after a certain time (as far as I know, I'm not a user of it, so open to correction on that). Parents need to be vary aware of what their kids do on social media, its difficult though when everyone has a smart phone and everywhere has free wi-fi. Giving kids of 8 or 9 a smart phone is madness, do they even need a phone ffs.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 04-04-2018 12:16PM

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I agree. But you also have to worry about the kind of kids/teenagers who seem to see nothing wrong in targeting someone in a really vicious way and not even relenting when their target tries to take their own life; instead almost seeing it as some kind of 'win' and boasting and jeering about it on social media. There has to be something seriously wrong with kids who instigate that kind of thing, and their followers who keep going along with it, even when it has obviously taken a very, very serious turn.

Permabear · 04-04-2018 12:32PM

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irishrebe · 04-04-2018 12:36PM

I'd honestly think twice before having kids now. What a world to grow up in. Many of us were bullied at school but we didn't have all this social media and whatsapp so that there was no escape. You could leave it behind you on Friday afternoon, at least. Imagine lying in bed and your phone beeping with people sending nasty messages. Everyone able to take photos with their smartphones and use them to mock people behind their back. I would absolutely hate to be a teenager now.

Graces7 · 04-04-2018 01:00PM

irishrebe wrote: »

I'd honestly think twice before having kids now. What a world to grow up in. Many of us were bullied at school but we didn't have all this social media and whatsapp so that there was no escape. You could leave it behind you on Friday afternoon, at least. Imagine lying in bed and your phone beeping with people sending nasty ro

So do not take your phone to bed with you! Social media is not compulsory. Switch it off. You are doing this to yourself

Permabear · 04-04-2018 01:12PM

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ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 04-04-2018 01:19PM

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And that's what responsible parents do. Children are taught to use, and deal with, these thing properly by their parents and they grow to use them with care. There seems to be a school of thought that social media is compulsory, all powerful and non-selective. My children and grandchildren use social media but they know who to liaise with, who to ignore and how to turn away from the seedier side of it. What person continues to read comments or posts from vindictive nasty people? You don't hang around with people who bully or belittle you, so why do so on social media?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 04-04-2018 01:23PM

What’s stopping the publication of the Facebook posts? Privacy laws?

jimgoose · 04-04-2018 01:36PM

Brylee Green Shamrock wrote: »

...What person continues to read comments or posts from vindictive nasty people? You don't hang around with people who bully or belittle you, so why do so on social media?

That's how a healthy, well-adjusted adult looks at it, S. Most kids are so impressionable, immature and emotionally vulnerable that they can't seem to look away.

Relentless taunting and bullying that leads to suicide.

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