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Swastika removed from Nazi Bell in Germany

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  • #32
    Anne1982h
    Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭Anne1982h


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    As said above, this is a part of history at this stage and history which should indeed be remembered (lest we repeat the same mistakes again!)

    Unfortunately though that doesn't fit with the more extreme liberal agenda who are seemingly intent on reviewing such events through "modern" eyes and white-washing the bits of history they don't like.

    This attitude is arguably more fascist and dangerous than what they're trying to erase.

    "Progress", eh? :rolleyes:

    If you were to visit Germany you would see that this is not the case at all. The Germans are almost at pains to ensure that no one forgets what happened. In particular in nazi Germany. As I said in a different post they even ensure school children visit two concentration camps before leaving school.


  • #33
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,608 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    As long as the History Channel survives the war will never be forgotten.


  • #34
    dav3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,671 ✭✭✭dav3


    wingsof daun wrote: »
    We are all supposed to be never forget the holocaust of Jews but the genocide of Germans and other peoples are quickly swept under the rug. A Holocaust in which some of the so-called facts and figures and survivors are somewhat dubious or even, might I dare to call... - fantasy!

    Yes you're right, what this thread definitely needs is some holocaust denial.


  • #35
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    dav3 wrote: »
    Yes you're right, what this thread definitely needs is some holocaust denial.

    Calling Kevin Myres to cleanup on isle 3.


  • #36
    tara73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭tara73


    Anne1982h wrote: »
    If you were to visit Germany you would see that this is not the case at all. The Germans are almost at pains to ensure that no one forgets what happened. In particular in nazi Germany. As I said in a different post they even ensure school children visit two concentration camps before leaving school.

    ?? what should that mean? is there a nazi germany and a non nazi germany these days???


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  • #37
    Inviere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,271 ✭✭✭Inviere


    If was glorifying Nazism or somesuch, I'd get it...but it's a historical relic, an object of history, and one that reminds us of a truly dark era. To permamently deface it because it goes against your political and social leanings, is akin to a child scribbling over a picture of something they don't like. Pathetic behaviour, but then, I expect that from extreme left leaning nutjobs. They've gone so far left, they've became the thing they hate the most, and they don't even see it.

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  • #38
    Maxpfizer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Maxpfizer


    kneemos wrote: »
    Probably didn't want a shrine for brain dead racists.
    Anne1982h wrote: »
    Yes isn’t it awful the Germans didn’t leave it as a tourist attraction so someone big into history such as yourself could go visit it.

    Having lived in Germany previously and visited again recently they are in no way covering up the of past or destroying it. There are memorials and concentration camp memorials all preserved. We were told secondary school children visit two concentration camps before they leave school and are taught about what happened. Lest we forget etc.

    Why does it automatically have to be a shrine or a tourist attraction though?

    Couldn't they just secure the location and have it available to legitimate historians and the like?

    There are plenty of historical tourist attractions in the world that you cannot just go in and have a look whenever you feel like it.

    Why are people talking as if the only 2 options are "open to the public as a shrine or tourist attraction" or "total destruction"?

    The thing about the bell is that it's 84 years old and the end of WW2 was almost 73 years ago. So why the sudden important need to vandalize/destroy it now, in 2018?

    Was there a issue in the village with legit Neo-Nazis coming in to treat this bell like a shrine? Was there even a fear that they would?


  • #39
    Mickeroo
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    kneemos wrote: »
    As long as the History Channel survives the war will never be forgotten.

    Never forget what those damn Martian Nazi Pyramid building bastards did.


  • #40
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »

    This attitude is arguably more fascist and dangerous than what they're trying to erase.

    This is quite possibly, hands-down, the absolutely most mind-bendingly stupid thing I have ever read on boards.ie.

    How you can compare the removal of the Swastika from a bell, to the mass murder of millions of people across Europe and think anyone can take you seriously, I truly can never understand. You also show a total lack of understanding of German modern culture and more recent history.

    The people of Germany are very very aware of their actions in the past, and do not seek to erase their history.


  • #41
    Anne1982h
    Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭Anne1982h


    tara73 wrote: »
    ?? what should that mean? is there a nazi germany and a non nazi germany these days???

    It refers to the era where nazis were in charge of Germany. Read a history book.


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  • #42
    Anne1982h
    Closed Accounts Posts: 77 ✭✭Anne1982h


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    This is quite possibly, hands-down, the absolutely most mind-bendingly stupid thing I have ever read on boards.ie.

    How you can compare the removal of the Swastika from a bell, to the mass murder of millions of people across Europe and think anyone can take you seriously, I truly can never understand. You also show a total lack of understanding of German modern culture and more recent history.

    The people of Germany are very very aware of their actions in the past, and do not seek to erase their history.

    This times a million


  • #43
    jimgoose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    I suppose they left "Alles fürs Vaterland Adolf Hitler" intact. :D


  • #44
    corks finest
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,880 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Next, people will be demanding that the Union Jack be removed because of its association with mass murder, genocide, gassing people to death, enforced 'famines', the deaths of tens of thousands of people in concentration camps and so very much else...
    Why not?


  • #45
    pleas advice
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭pleas advice


    sugarman wrote: »
    Moronic behavior.

    As someone big into history, particularly WWI & II, I am fairly disgusted at how much of their history the Germans have tried to destroy over the last century. Particularly in recent years.
    Nothing from the allied side?


  • #46
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Not really a good look to be the person defending nazi symbols or telling the Germans how they should deal with their past.


  • #47
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    If only some other countries were as committed to Germany is to dealing with its genocidal past.


  • #48
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,608 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Similar really to cleaning "up the IRA" off your local church Bell.

    Except the IRA were like Ghandi in comparison.


  • #49
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    If only some other countries were as committed to Germany is to dealing with its genocidal past.
    Skylinehead wrote: »
    Can you not soapbox every thread?

    You too.


  • #50
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Skylinehead wrote: »
    You too.

    So you’ve no issue with countries sweeping their genocidal past under the carpet?


  • #51
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    So you’ve no issue with countries sweeping their genocidal past under the carpet?
    Like I said, I've issues with the two of you (and others) bringing the Brits up in every single thread. That's all.


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  • #52
    tara73
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    Anne1982h wrote: »
    It refers to the era where nazis were in charge of Germany. Read a history book.

    ah, sure that answers the question to your strange sentence.

    and omg, thanks for the hint, never heard about the nazis being in charge in germany, will buy a book and read it, thanks again!


  • #53
    Maxpfizer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Maxpfizer


    kneemos wrote: »
    Similar really to cleaning "up the IRA" off your local church Bell.

    Except the IRA were like Ghandi in comparison.

    Yeah, the Nazis were bad. Got it.

    Have a cookie. Boring.

    Why now? Why 73 years later?

    That bell has sat there for almost 73 years.

    So what's different in 2018?

    If my local church bell had "up the IRA" written on it for the last 73 years and one day it was cleaned off I'd be absolutely 100% intrigued by why that's only happening now.


  • #54
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tara73 wrote: »
    ah, sure that answers the question to your strange sentence.

    and omg, thanks for the hint, never heard about the nazis being in charge in germany, will buy a book and read it, thanks again!

    Not really a strange sentence seeing as that time is usually referred to as Nazi Germany.


  • #55
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    kneemos wrote: »
    As long as the History Channel survives the war will never be forgotten.

    Isn't it more about 'did aliens build the pyramids' now?

    What's the point of erasing it as the public are hardly going to see it? There are still a few of them around, on old army barracks, some tunnels, bridges and other public works of the time.


  • #56
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    If only some other countries were as committed to Germany is to dealing with its genocidal past.

    Japan is especially clueless about what their forces got up to in WW2.


  • #57
    Maxpfizer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭Maxpfizer


    super_furry wrote: »
    Not really a good look to be the person defending nazi symbols or telling the Germans how they should deal with their past.

    It's an interesting conversation though.

    It seems like the display of Nazi symbols has been banned in Germany since the 1950s.

    So you have this bell that displays one of the banned symbols and it's been up there since the 1930s.

    For whatever reason this symbol was displayed on that bell, against the law, for decades or there was some kind of reason why it was exempt?

    Then at some point in 2018 a small group of Germans take it upon themselves to remove the symbol.

    From an outsiders perspective we only have 3 options to talk about regarding this?

    1 - Just accept it and STFU.
    2 - You are defending Nazi symbols.
    3 - You are telling the Germans how to deal with their own past.


  • #58
    [Deleted User]
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    Joe Duffy going to be lit later on!


  • #59
    garbo speaks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 300 ✭✭garbo speaks


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    If only some other countries were as committed to Germany is to dealing with its genocidal past.

    It can deal with the past, but can't deal with the present influx of violent Muslims (New Year's Eve sexual assaults).


  • #60
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,608 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Maxpfizer wrote: »
    Yeah, the Nazis were bad. Got it.

    Have a cookie. Boring.

    Why now? Why 73 years later?

    That bell has sat there for almost 73 years.

    So what's different in 2018?

    If my local church bell had "up the IRA" written on it for the last 73 years and one day it was cleaned off I'd be absolutely 100% intrigued by why that's only happening now.


    Apparently there was some local debate about its continued use.
    The local parish officials had stopped using it.

    Nothing more sinister than that.


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  • #61
    RandomName2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Next, people will be demanding that the Union Jack be removed because of its association with mass murder, genocide, gassing people to death, enforced 'famines', the deaths of tens of thousands of people in concentration camps and so very much else...

    Looks at post. Looks at user name.

    *sigh*


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