Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

Silentcorner · 03-04-2018 10:29PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Im actually not!
Im somewhat disappointed though you havent used the goto charge of accusing me of being ill informed!

Throwing around phrases like "rape culture", and attempting to equate the infrequent examples experienced as regular events, rather than the absolute outliers they are, is not serving you well. Nor is your attempts to use the SCC or inter/intra travellers violence to bolster your argument.

"Culture" itself is neither good nor bad. Its an indifferent noun. Dont try and move the posts!

I can absolutely understand why a person, in particular a man, would take offence at the term "rape culture", it implies that it is endemic in society, like binge drinking, when in actual fact it is probably much smaller than some are saying and a little bigger than others think.

I would have been offended by the term myself at one point.

Think of the rape culture as a smaller more niche, but not exclusively restricted to, the hook up culture.

lawred2 · 03-04-2018 10:29PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Rugby stance?

sightband · 03-04-2018 10:29PM

emeraldwinter wrote: »

What happens when places like Clonskeagh refuses to take up this curriculum ?

They won’t refuse, they just won’t teach it. Not entirely different from a lot of national schools that don’t teach Irish, Drama, Music etc.

Silentcorner · 03-04-2018 10:31PM

ShowMeTheCash wrote: »

I will repeat myself once more:

Oh I agree some traditions or cultural practices are harmful, we just don't have a "rape culture"

I see your problem is following a the full discourse of the argument.

Ok, I respectfully disagree.

I have no idea what that last line means.

Fann Linn · 03-04-2018 10:32PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Rugby stance?

Louise and twitter, just gotta be true.

Roger Hassenforder · 03-04-2018 10:33PM

I wonder would consent classes have stopped priest raping kids.

Or that fcuker today, caught because a teacher saw him kissing a 10yr old on the lips outside school.

Or Larry Murphy, James Nolan, Eamonn Cooke or Tom Humphries?

Would you have to pass, or write your answers in pencil?

lawred2 · 03-04-2018 10:33PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I wonder would consent classes have stopped priest raping kids.

Or that fcuker today, caught because a teacher saw him kissing a 10yr old on the lips outside school.

Or Larry Murphy, James Nolan, Eamonn Cooke or Tom Humphries?

Would you have to pass, or write your answers in pencil?

wtf

Ulysses Gaze · 03-04-2018 10:35PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Rugby stance?

Something like this maybe?

Roger Hassenforder · 03-04-2018 10:36PM

lawred2 wrote: »

wtf

Which bit?

lawred2 · 03-04-2018 10:41PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Which bit?

Lines 1 through 4

freshpopcorn · 03-04-2018 10:41PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Rugby stance?

All I could come up with was a rugby position! But you never know with Louise!

Nermal · 03-04-2018 10:42PM

hill16bhoy wrote: »

A belief that...

It gets slightly longer each time he posts it. As if the more examples his soy-addled mind can come up with, the more convincing he thinks it will be.

Roger Hassenforder · 03-04-2018 10:42PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I can absolutely understand why a person, in particular a man, would take offence at the term "rape culture", it implies that it is endemic in society, like binge drinking, when in actual fact it is probably much smaller than some are saying and a little bigger than others think.

I would have been offended by the term myself at one point.

Think of the rape culture as a smaller more niche, but not exclusively restricted to, the hook up culture.

I think youre reaching a bit now.
Not quite distancing yourself from your claim of a prevalent rape culture, but certainly eyeing up the kerb for a spot to pull in, and drop off your now unwelcome notions!

So if you were previously offended (im not BTW!), whence the epiphany to your current stance?
Using your rationale we have as much of a non rape culture as we have a rape culture. We've an underwater basket weaving culture too...

GreeBo · 03-04-2018 10:42PM

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think it's called trying to hide the truth.

There are racist people in Ireland...do we have a racist culture?
There are right wing people in Ireland...do we have a right wing culture?
There are left wing people in Ireland...hmm this idea of yours breaks down pretty quickly.

Roger Hassenforder · 03-04-2018 10:42PM

lawred2 wrote: »

Lines 1 through 4

Ah!
I have you.

So would it?

Mrsmum · 03-04-2018 10:44PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I wonder would consent classes have stopped priest raping kids.

Or that fcuker today, caught because a teacher saw him kissing a 10yr old on the lips outside school.

Or Larry Murphy, James Nolan, Eamonn Cooke or Tom Humphries?

Would you have to pass, or write your answers in pencil?

Look, is it that the only rapes you see as 'real' are hit you over the head types or taboo relationships types ? No, consent classes would never stop those. But lots of rapes are committed by 'friends' where guys take no to mean persuade me further. Consent classes would certainly help in this area. .

GreeBo · 03-04-2018 10:45PM

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Did you agree with what that radio host said?

Because there was widespread support for his comments. Do you disagree with that assertion?

Widespread support for such comments implies agreement with such comments. Do you disagree with that assertion?

That does indeed mean there is a culture of believing that a woman can be to blame for her own rape. Do you disagree with that assertion?

That is rape culture. Do you disagree with that assertion?

There was widespread condemnation and the man was run out of his job.
Why don't you pick this as your sign of anti-rape culture?

emeraldwinter · 03-04-2018 10:45PM

sightband wrote: »

They won’t refuse, they just won’t teach it. Not entirely different from a lot of national schools that don’t teach Irish, Drama, Music etc.

So when all the catholic schools wont teach it I assume there will be no comments or calls for them to be made too ? People will just say OK no problem it's a religious school.

Roger Hassenforder · 03-04-2018 10:48PM

GreeBo wrote: »

There are racist people in Ireland...do we have a racist culture?
There are right wing people in Ireland...do we have a right wing culture?
There are left wing people in Ireland...hmm this idea of yours breaks down pretty quickly.

I cant wait for the next Olympics, with our culture of 100m sprinting. We're going to clean up.

Silentcorner · 03-04-2018 10:50PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I think youre reaching a bit now.
Not quite distancing yourself from your claim of a prevalent rape culture, but certainly eyeing up the kerb for a spot to pull in, and drop off your now unwelcome notions!

So if you were previously offended (im not BTW!), whence the epiphany to your current stance?
Using your rationale we have as much of a non rape culture as we have a rape culture. We've an underwater basket weaving culture too...

Hang on a minute, inserting inflammatory phrases that I never mentioned is not on. By all means argue your position, but that is unnecessary.

I NEVER made a claim that there was a prevalent rape culture....NEVER.

I no longer take offence because I have, what I feel, is a better understanding of its meaning.

I think you are referring to a culture of respect for women, I will let Irish women be judge of that.

We have a culture of spoof also, like kissing the Blarney stone...

tayto lover · 03-04-2018 10:51PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I cant wait for the next Olympics, with our culture of 100m sprinting. We're going to clean up.

I have a serious culture of eating crisps.

Silentcorner · 03-04-2018 10:51PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I cant wait for the next Olympics, with our culture of 100m sprinting. We're going to clean up.

We have a culture of sweeping our problems under a carpet here too, but we don't like to talk about it!!!

emeraldwinter · 03-04-2018 10:51PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I cant wait for the next Olympics, with our culture of 100m sprinting. We're going to clean up.

Wonder if we can compete with Jamaica's culture of bobsleigh.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 03-04-2018 10:53PM

Well, guess Culture Night this year is going to be interesting.

ShowMeTheCash · 03-04-2018 10:53PM

GreeBo wrote: »

What if a woman told you that your father raped her, who do you believe now?
It's real easy believe the alleged victim when she is the only party you know.

How about a stranger tells you that your brother raped her?

In the case where I know both parties I would need to weigh that up.

Silentcorner · 03-04-2018 10:54PM

Oaklyn Early Fauna wrote: »

Well, guess Culture Night this year is going to be interesting.

We should have Culture of Denial Night, now that would be interesting.

tritium · 03-04-2018 10:56PM

hill16bhoy wrote: »

Be my guest to call views you don't like whatever you like.

I don't doubt that there are misandrists in Ireland, I also don't doubt that their number is far, far smaller than those who engage in rape culture, and that while their views may be idiotic and reprehensible, those views and their behavioural manifestations are also far, far less of a threat to men than views synonymous with rape culture and their behavioural manifestations are to women.

Ah but hang on now. All the forced examples you gave I’m able to apply to misandry, so how can you say there isn’t a culture of misandry in this country?

I mean I get that, based on your views you’d like to pretend there isn’t but the evidence is there based on your own benchmarks. So come on, why can’t you stop denying it and/ or defending it?

erica74 · 03-04-2018 10:58PM

GreeBo wrote: »

I sure it was accidental, but you didn't quote your original post.

Here it is as a reminder.

I'm not sure why you think that changes what I said. Here are all of my posts on that topic. They're pretty clear and all say pretty much the same thing.

erica74 wrote: »

Not sure it's all that ironic really, who said it would be done without the parents consent? Sure many posters have already said that sex education classes already take place and some of these involve consent to a certain extent.
Parents send their children to school and as such consent to them attending classes where they are taught maths and English and that also now includes (or should include or is going to include) sex education, which includes consent. These classes will follow a set curriculum based on actual facts and not one person's "ideas and values".

I'm sure if you have a problem with what your child is being taught in school, whether it be sex education or maths, you can contact the school and discuss it.

erica74 wrote: »

It's very very different though. OEJ was suggesting children would be taught something without their parents consent. We're talking about a parent consenting to what their child is educated about not sexual activity in a bedroom.
Parents enrol their children, there is an agreement and information about what education their child will receive. Parents are perfectly entitled to go to the school and say I don't agree with my child being taught x and y (now, obviously I don't know the situation there, I think you'd have to get the board of education involved maybe?) because it doesn't fit in with their beliefs.

erica74 wrote: »

No, I didn't say that the teaching of sexual education curriculum would begin before a parent consents to the teaching of it. I'm not sure what the problem is.
I'd be certain and hope, even though I don't have children, that parents would be consulted before a sex education curriculum is introduced.

ShowMeTheCash · 03-04-2018 10:58PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ok, I respectfully disagree.

I have no idea what that last line means.

It means I have already stated that not all things inline with tradition or culture is good.

I am reaping myself because you have not read the full exchange of the argument.....

You can disagree however for it to part and parcel of the culture it really need to be commonly accepted or at very least seen as a tradition regardless of it's commonality. For me it fits neither.

Uncharted · 03-04-2018 10:59PM

Is this thread even relevant to its title anymore??

Gone way beyond a tangent right now....

Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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