Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Im actually not! Im somewhat disappointed though you havent used the goto charge of accusing me of being ill informed! Throwing around phrases like "rape culture", and attempting to equate the infrequent examples experienced as regular events, rather than the absolute outliers they are, is not serving you well. Nor is your attempts to use the SCC or inter/intra travellers violence to bolster your argument. "Culture" itself is neither good nor bad. Its an indifferent noun. Dont try and move the posts!
freshpopcorn wrote: »
emeraldwinter wrote: » What happens when places like Clonskeagh refuses to take up this curriculum ?
ShowMeTheCash wrote: » I will repeat myself once more: Oh I agree some traditions or cultural practices are harmful, we just don't have a "rape culture" I see your problem is following a the full discourse of the argument.
lawred2 wrote: » Rugby stance?
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » I wonder would consent classes have stopped priest raping kids. Or that fcuker today, caught because a teacher saw him kissing a 10yr old on the lips outside school. Or Larry Murphy, James Nolan, Eamonn Cooke or Tom Humphries? Would you have to pass, or write your answers in pencil?
lawred2 wrote: » wtf
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » Which bit?
hill16bhoy wrote: » A belief that...
Silentcorner wrote: » I can absolutely understand why a person, in particular a man, would take offence at the term "rape culture", it implies that it is endemic in society, like binge drinking, when in actual fact it is probably much smaller than some are saying and a little bigger than others think. I would have been offended by the term myself at one point. Think of the rape culture as a smaller more niche, but not exclusively restricted to, the hook up culture.
Mrsmum wrote: » I think it's called trying to hide the truth.
lawred2 wrote: » Lines 1 through 4
hill16bhoy wrote: » Did you agree with what that radio host said? Because there was widespread support for his comments. Do you disagree with that assertion? Widespread support for such comments implies agreement with such comments. Do you disagree with that assertion? That does indeed mean there is a culture of believing that a woman can be to blame for her own rape. Do you disagree with that assertion? That is rape culture. Do you disagree with that assertion?
sightband wrote: » They won’t refuse, they just won’t teach it. Not entirely different from a lot of national schools that don’t teach Irish, Drama, Music etc.
GreeBo wrote: » There are racist people in Ireland...do we have a racist culture? There are right wing people in Ireland...do we have a right wing culture? There are left wing people in Ireland...hmm this idea of yours breaks down pretty quickly.
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » I think youre reaching a bit now. Not quite distancing yourself from your claim of a prevalent rape culture, but certainly eyeing up the kerb for a spot to pull in, and drop off your now unwelcome notions! So if you were previously offended (im not BTW!), whence the epiphany to your current stance? Using your rationale we have as much of a non rape culture as we have a rape culture. We've an underwater basket weaving culture too...
Roger Hassenforder wrote: » I cant wait for the next Olympics, with our culture of 100m sprinting. We're going to clean up.
GreeBo wrote: » What if a woman told you that your father raped her, who do you believe now? It's real easy believe the alleged victim when she is the only party you know. How about a stranger tells you that your brother raped her?
Oaklyn Early Fauna wrote: » Well, guess Culture Night this year is going to be interesting.
hill16bhoy wrote: » Be my guest to call views you don't like whatever you like. I don't doubt that there are misandrists in Ireland, I also don't doubt that their number is far, far smaller than those who engage in rape culture, and that while their views may be idiotic and reprehensible, those views and their behavioural manifestations are also far, far less of a threat to men than views synonymous with rape culture and their behavioural manifestations are to women.
GreeBo wrote: » I sure it was accidental, but you didn't quote your original post. Here it is as a reminder.
erica74 wrote: » Not sure it's all that ironic really, who said it would be done without the parents consent? Sure many posters have already said that sex education classes already take place and some of these involve consent to a certain extent. Parents send their children to school and as such consent to them attending classes where they are taught maths and English and that also now includes (or should include or is going to include) sex education, which includes consent. These classes will follow a set curriculum based on actual facts and not one person's "ideas and values". I'm sure if you have a problem with what your child is being taught in school, whether it be sex education or maths, you can contact the school and discuss it.
erica74 wrote: » It's very very different though. OEJ was suggesting children would be taught something without their parents consent. We're talking about a parent consenting to what their child is educated about not sexual activity in a bedroom. Parents enrol their children, there is an agreement and information about what education their child will receive. Parents are perfectly entitled to go to the school and say I don't agree with my child being taught x and y (now, obviously I don't know the situation there, I think you'd have to get the board of education involved maybe?) because it doesn't fit in with their beliefs.
erica74 wrote: » No, I didn't say that the teaching of sexual education curriculum would begin before a parent consents to the teaching of it. I'm not sure what the problem is. I'd be certain and hope, even though I don't have children, that parents would be consulted before a sex education curriculum is introduced.
Silentcorner wrote: » Ok, I respectfully disagree. I have no idea what that last line means.
