Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

hynesie08 · 02-04-2018 05:32PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Bloody hell it gets better in this joke of a system.

This is the first thing that the minister said he is going to review: legal representation for the conplainant (ie it is ****e and drastically needs to be improved)

At the moment: a complainant in the Irish legal system does not have any entitlement to their own legal counsel.

This case was in the UK, and since you're an international news sharer, it's the case most places, witnesses don't have individual council. Feel free to look it up

Stheno · 02-04-2018 05:32PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Bloody hell it gets better in this joke of a system.

This is the first thing that the minister said he is going to review: legal representation for the complainant (ie it is ****e and drastically needs to be improved)

At the moment: a complainant in the Irish legal system does not have any entitlement to their own legal counsel.

How many times do you have to be told this case was in Northern Ireland???

Greysquirel09 · 02-04-2018 05:33PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The girl who entered the room said she didn't look distressed. So her distress came about after that. Maybe the fact that the girl had seen what was happening caused the distress? She might have come to her senses because the girl had seen her.

I believe she thought she was photographed or recorded on a phone. That's enough to cause distress when the drink is wearing off.

The Talking Bread · 02-04-2018 05:34PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

This case was in the UK

Stheno wrote: »

How many times do you have to be told this case was in Northern Ireland???

F*ck off with your facts!

It doesn't suit the agenda for some!

Mrsmum · 02-04-2018 05:34PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, now you are just wildly speculating.

The girl turned her head away when the witness stuck her head in, so they could not have seen each others faces, and as the young lady testified, she did not kick or scream or fight back at any point, it was not until the third man entered the room that she finally manage to escape the room, she testified that her "flight" kicked in when the third man arrived, about 20 minutes after Dara Florence popped her head in.

By the time the young lady made it to the Rape Crisis centre, and the police she had forgotten about the witness who stuck her head in the room...so her fear of exposure on social media was not a motivating factor for the young lady in question.

20 minutes without any witness.

Appledreams15 · 02-04-2018 05:34PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

This case was in the UK, and since you're an international news sharer, it's the case most places, witnesses don't have individual council. Feel free to look it up

I quoted what the Minister for Justice REPUBLIC OF IRELAND said this week.

Did you look that up?

Here we go · 02-04-2018 05:35PM

Conspectus wrote: »

The defendants could sue here and the PPSNI could ask for (and get) a European arrest warrant to extradite someone to the UK.

But what Irish law would be broken surly a U.K. Court can't say what an Irish citizen in Ireland can and can not do again I stress again even if you belive her to be lying for the greater good of future victims feeling more secure that she and anyone who alleges rape should have ther amonimity protected but I feel in Ireland a sorate state with its own laws that's more a moral choice then a legal requirement

02-04-2018 05:35PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Why hasn't Jackson apologised then?

That's part of my point, Ulster and the IRFU could say "this woman left your house bleeding and in hysterics, why haven't you apologised?" And he would have no legitimate answer for it.

What Jackson has been doing is going after other people. He's let his solicitor attack the PSNI, the PPS and use his standing as an international rugby player to suggest that was the reason for bringing the case. He has also let his solicitor say he's looking forward to getting back to work, which means representing his province and country as if it was a thinly veiled threat to Ulster and the IRFU.

Olding, in contrast, regretted the night, apologised for the hurt caused to the complainant, and said he hoped to be able to play rugby again.

Olding gets it, Jackson refuses to get it, and it sums up the attitude of privileged that were thrown at him.

The other guy apologising doesn't mean the other should. If he's innocent and if there was consent, I'm sure he absolute despises the woman and is in no mood for apologising to save face in public.

Appledreams15 · 02-04-2018 05:36PM

Stheno wrote: »

How many times do you have to be told this case was in Northern Ireland???

You do realise the Minister for Justice in the REPUBLIC OF IRELAND said this right?

That he is launching a review?

Fann Linn · 02-04-2018 05:36PM

Stheno wrote: »

How many times do you have to be told this case was in Northern Ireland???

I made that point a few days back and was told it happened 80 miles up the road.

Lots of people protesting here and elaewhere need to go back to 1st year geography and civics.

02-04-2018 05:36PM

tayto lover wrote: »

What's your point?
I'm trying to figure out why she didn't leave when the girl looked in or call for help. Why turn her head away?

I want to know why two men who are actively raping a woman would invite another woman to join in. Seems pretty counter-intuitive.

tayto lover · 02-04-2018 05:37PM

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

I believe she thought she was photographed or recorded on a phone. That's enough to cause distress when the drink is wearing off.

I hadn't read that.

tayto lover · 02-04-2018 05:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I want to know why two men who are actively raping a woman would invite another woman to join in. Seems pretty counter-intuitive.

The jury found it wasn't rape.

hynesie08 · 02-04-2018 05:38PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

I quoted what the Minister for Justice REPUBLIC OF IRELAND said this week.

Did you look that up?

Yes, doesn't change the fact you are wrong. Ask all you're international friends, they'll tell you it's the same.

Appledreams15 · 02-04-2018 05:39PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

I made that point a few days back and was told it happened 80 miles up the road.

Lots of people protesting here and elaewhere need to go back to 1st year geography and civics.

Refer yet again to my post.

I quoted the Minister for Justice in the Republic of Ireland,

This week stated he is launching a review of sexual assault cases.

That is the Republic of Ireland.

#republicofireland

why are you talking about Northern Ireland?

Appledreams15 · 02-04-2018 05:40PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Yes, doesn't change the fact you are wrong. Ask all you're international friends, they'll tell you it's the same.

At least I have more friends than your 0.

02-04-2018 05:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The jury found it wasn't rape.

That's my point. A woman walks in, says she sees no signs of non-consensual sex, gets invited to join the threesome, says no, and leaves freely.

It's like a bad porno plot when you think about it.. Rapists letting witnesses walk away freely after inviting them to join in.

Faugheen · 02-04-2018 05:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The other guy apologising doesn't mean the other should. If he's innocent and if there was consent, I'm sure he absolute despises the woman and is in no mood for apologising to save face in public.

Why are you talking about if someone is innocent and if there was consent.

Olding was found not guilty and says there was consent, and apologised anyway.

Jackson can despise the woman all he wants, but this is his mess. Notice how very few are talking ill of Olding in comparison to Jackson. He's been an absolute PR disaster since he was acquitted and the sponsors can point to that as well when it comes to Ulster and the IRFUs investigation.

If I behave like they did, and all the information gets out to clients and customers of where I work, I would be sacked and I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. These boys won't either.

Fann Linn · 02-04-2018 05:41PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Refer yet again to my post.

I quoted the Minister for Justice in the Republic of Ireland,

This week stated he is launching a review of sexual assault cases.

That is the Republic of Ireland.

#republicofireland why are you talking about Northern Ireland?

Because a little court case took place in NI fairly recently.

hynesie08 · 02-04-2018 05:41PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Refer yet again to my post.

I quoted the Minister for Justice in the Republic of Ireland,

This week stated he is launching a review of sexual assault cases.

That is the Republic of Ireland.

#republicofireland why are you talking about Northern Ireland?

Because you said " it gets better in this joke of a system"
Which system?

Uncharted · 02-04-2018 05:42PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Refer yet again to my post.

I quoted the Minister for Justice in the Republic of Ireland,

This week stated be is launching a review of sexual assault cases.

That is the Republic of Ireland.

#republicofireland why are you talking about Northern Ireland?

Unravelling with every post........ you haven't a notion of the facts of the case. You're simply latching on to the hyperbole post case! Lol. Stereotypical bandwagoner extraordinaire

Fann Linn · 02-04-2018 05:43PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

At least I have more friends than your 0.

Getting childish now.

Faugheen · 02-04-2018 05:43PM

tayto lover wrote: »

The jury found it wasn't rape.

Incorrect, they found the prosecution couldn't prove it. Big difference.

If I rob a bank and I'm found not guilty in court, it doesn't mean a bank wasn't robbed.

hynesie08 · 02-04-2018 05:43PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

At least I have more friends than your 0.

You know it's ok to be wrong on the internet right?

Appledreams15 · 02-04-2018 05:43PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Because a little court case took place in NI fairly recently.

Why are they talking about Northern Ireland in response to a post that I said about the Minister for Justice launching a review in the Republic of Ireland?

That's a different system

TheValeyard · 02-04-2018 05:46PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

At least I have more friends than your 0.

/done with moronic posts.

02-04-2018 05:47PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Why are you talking about if someone is innocent and if there was consent.

Olding was found not guilty and says there was consent, and apologised anyway.

Jackson can despise the woman all he wants, but this is his mess. Notice how very few are talking ill of Olding in comparison to Jackson. He's been an absolute PR disaster since he was acquitted and the sponsors can point to that as well when it comes to Ulster and the IRFUs investigation.

If I behave like they did, and all the information gets out to clients and customers of where I work, I would be sacked and I wouldn't have a leg to stand on. These boys won't either.

I was saying "if" because I know you think he's guilty, but I wanted to make my point anyway.

And a man handling something like this badly does not mean he deserves it. And I don't think it's far to say that an accused person created their own mess.

You'd be allowed to sue for damages in almost every case where you lost your job because of a public trial in which you were found not guilty.

Fann Linn · 02-04-2018 05:47PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Why are they talking about Northern Ireland in response to a post that I said about the Minister for Justice launching a review in the Republic of Ireland?

That's a different system

Daah.
We all know that.
But those protesting here, in Dublin, Carlow, Cork and elsewhere don't appear to be able to grasp that little fact.

Silentcorner · 02-04-2018 05:50PM

tayto lover wrote: »

What's your point?
I'm trying to figure out why she didn't leave when the girl looked in or call for help. Why turn her head away?

According to the defense witness, a sexual assault expert, most victims allow the assault to happen....I'd imagine the young lady was just trying to limit the shame she was probably already feeling...but that is just me speculating.

Faugheen · 02-04-2018 05:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was saying "if" because I know you think he's guilty, but I wanted to make my point anyway.

And a man handling something like this badly does not mean he deserves it. And I don't think it's far to say that an accused person created their own mess.

You'd be allowed to sue for damages in almost every case where you lost your job because of a public trial in which you were found not guilty.

Point where I said they were guilty please.

You wont be able to, because what I have said is that I believe the woman felt she was raped, and I also believe the lads didn't realise this. Which is why I've been talking about consent for the last few days.

What I have argued is people spreading fake news that the verdict means the jury didn't believe her, that the rape didn't happen, that she lied etc.

It's all false.

All the verdict means is that the prosecution couldn't prove their case beyond reasonable doubt, and in this trial it's a verdict I believe.

Don't tell me what I do and don't think, please.

Also, the pair of them created this mess by being absolute animals whether a rape happened or not. One of the men acknowledges it, regrets it and understands the repercussions of his behaviour. The other one is being a spoiled brat and keeping himself in the public eye instead of focussing on getting back to work, as he said he's was going to do.

Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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