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dominatinMC · 29-03-2018 11:51PM

dulux99 wrote:

From reading your posts you seem to think that your opinion is the be all and end all.

Reminds me of all the feminists on Twitter at the moment!

Say Your Number · 30-03-2018 03:29AM

The pod on the Belfast rape trial/consent was excellent.

Sorry for being a blinkered fanboy

Gbear · 30-03-2018 09:43AM

Say Your Number wrote: »

The pod on the Belfast rape trial/consent was excellent.

Sorry for being a blinkered fanboy

They showed their age a bit when the Urban Dictionary stuff came up.

They didn't seem to realise that they're all makey-uppy things added to Urban Dictionary by sniggering 13 year-olds and probably only the slow lad in the class (there's always 1) would think they were realistic and normal sexual activities.

It's weird how it only takes a few years to get completely disconnected from younger generations. You'd think we'd remember, but ****ed if I can relate to young'uns and I'm only 28.

buyer95 · 30-03-2018 11:44AM

Quick one for you here lads. I've been a patron since the boys went behind the pay wall(and love the show.) Recently I changed phones to an android. When I downloaded my podcast app and added I realised I did not know how to add my SC's subscription. I know I can go onto patreon and listen to it on there but it's very inconvenient. Any ideas anyone?

OldMrBrennan83 · 30-03-2018 11:50AM

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dastardly00 · 30-03-2018 11:54AM

Say Your Number wrote: »

The pod on the Belfast rape trial/consent was excellent.

I also thought the podcast about the Belfast rape trial and sexual content was excellent. I've listened/watched a lot about it over the past few days (RTE News, Prime Time, Today FM, Newstalk and OTB) and I thought SC's podcast was the best. The insight from Richie was very interesting.

dulpit · 30-03-2018 12:18PM

buyer95 wrote: »

Quick one for you here lads. I've been a patron since the boys went behind the pay wall(and love the show.) Recently I changed phones to an android. When I downloaded my podcast app and added I realised I did not know how to add my SC's subscription. I know I can go onto patreon and listen to it on there but it's very inconvenient. Any ideas anyone?

Log into Patreon. Go to the second captains page, click overview (https://www.patreon.com/secondcaptains/overview). There is an RSS link in the right hand menu, copy this and paste into your podcast app's feed thing.

dulpit · 30-03-2018 12:19PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

I also thought the podcast about the Belfast rape trial and sexual content was excellent. I've listened/watched a lot about it over the past few days (RTE News, Prime Time, Today FM, Newstalk and OTB) and I thought SC's podcast was the best. The insight from Richie was very interesting.

Agreed. Richie's workshops sound like a great idea for TY across the country..

Arghus · 30-03-2018 04:31PM

In bad taste I know, but did anyone else think the audio of Richie listing off the ludicrous sexual positions is dying to be made into a killer audio bed?

bren2001 · 30-03-2018 10:01PM

I thought the SC coverage of the consent conversation really outlined how much better they are than OTB. Hearing about Richies module, the response of children and just the general conversation between all involved was much better than the relatively boring slant OTB took on it. For me, it is the perfect example of why its worth subscribing.

I don't think OTB did a bad job, just think SC was much much better.

Utopia Parkway · 31-03-2018 01:37AM

Arghus wrote: »

In bad taste I know, but did anyone else think the audio of Richie listing off the ludicrous sexual positions is dying to be made into a killer audio bed?

I must admit it did occur to me at the time.

buyer95 · 31-03-2018 02:15AM

That episode with Richie and the journalist from The Journal on consent has been made available for free. It's one of the best episodes of the year, well worth the listen for non subscribers.

batistuta9 · 31-03-2018 02:59AM

buyer95 wrote: »

That episode with Richie and the journalist from The Journal on consent has been made available for free. It's one of the best episodes of the year, well worth the listen for non subscribers.

He's on ray Darcy's show tonight along with a rape victim & the head of the Dublin rape support centre

Dots1982 · 31-03-2018 02:33PM

Did the journal writer actually say that asking consent can be “sexy”? And then act out a conversation where the man asks continuely for consent as ...he goes round that bases so to speak.

Like in my humble opinion you would be laughed at by most modern women if you took this approach.

Loafing Oaf · 31-03-2018 10:48PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Did the journal writer actually say that asking consent can be “sexy”? And then act out a conversation where the man asks continuely for consent as ...he goes round that bases so to speak.

Like in my humble opinion you would be laughed at by most modern women if you took this approach.

Like literally, "Can I take your bra off?" etc.?:eek: Well 'date rape' would certainly be a thing of the past if all men did this. So would almost all date sex though...

Dots1982 · 31-03-2018 10:57PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

Did the journal writer actually say that asking consent can be “sexy”? And then act out a conversation where the man asks continuely for consent as ...he goes round that bases so to speak.

Like in my humble opinion you would be laughed at by most modern women if you took this approach.

Like literally, "Can I take your bra off?" etc.?:eek: Well 'date rape' would certainly be a thing of the past if all men did this. So would almost all date sex though...

I’ll listen again to make sure.

The real important conversations about the trial and issues of consent will occur between intelligent adults who are ordinary people and just want to understand the issue and not be biased. I don’t know about you guys but the conversations I have with my own friends are far more interesting and honest than what ive heard on the media. The media coverage ultimately have to dance around the hard questions in cases like these as it would be labeled as victim blaming.

Ivefoundgod · 02-04-2018 07:04PM

Only one pod today, presume we’ll get the football pod tomorrow then?

Beersmith · 02-04-2018 07:52PM

buyer95 wrote: »

That episode with Richie and the journalist from The Journal on consent has been made available for free. It's one of the best episodes of the year, well worth the listen for non subscribers.

After all the hype of this episode I was a bit disappointed. Richie was asked about the dressing room and he sidestepped it and half the pod was about him teaching school kids about sex. Which is well and good but didn't really explore the issues in any depth. The only incite into that world was was richie talking about how women were basically lining up for footballers in night clubs etc but nothing was talked about regarding how these encounters were treated in the dressing room and the surrounding problems etc.

Dots1982 · 02-04-2018 08:07PM

I thought richie was good, better than he is talking about football, although it wasn’t really about the trial at all and the trial is what is interesting. Might be more interesting to people with kids who are aged 10+.

I thought sinead ocarroll’s contribution was very twee. Like sometimes girls are called slutty because they act a bit slutty and it’s far from only men who brand girls as sluts. Far .. far from only men. Think she could have been asked about did she ever challenge men on language they used. Also did she ever hear women refer to other women as a slut or loose etc.

Overall it was grand but I think media have their hands tied when discussing these issues. The real conversations will exist between intelligent people nowhere near microphones.

corwill · 02-04-2018 10:50PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

The real conversations will exist between intelligent people nowhere near microphones.

And what is being said in these conversations?

Dots1982 · 02-04-2018 10:59PM

corwill wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

The real conversations will exist between intelligent people nowhere near microphones.

And what is being said in these conversations?

To give an example someone might say why didn’t the compliant resist as there was no apparent threat of violence and someone might say do you ask mugging victims why they don’t resist. However the first question would never get asked on media because you would be victim blaming and no one gets to have an honest discussion.

corwill · 02-04-2018 11:03PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

To give an example someone might say why didn’t the compliant resist as there was no apparent threat of violence and someone might say do you ask mugging victims why they don’t resist. However the first question would never get asked on media because you would be victim blaming and no one gets to have an honest discussion.

Who, in an intelligent conversation, thinks there's no threat of violence in these situations?

Dots1982 · 02-04-2018 11:06PM

corwill wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

To give an example someone might say why didn’t the compliant resist as there was no apparent threat of violence and someone might say do you ask mugging victims why they don’t resist. However the first question would never get asked on media because you would be victim blaming and no one gets to have an honest discussion.

Who, in an intelligent conversation, thinks there's no threat of violence in these situations?

You think the compliant feared violence?

corwill · 02-04-2018 11:16PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

You think the compliant feared violence?

Your use of the word 'compliant' is a bit odd here, I had thought it a typo for 'complainant'. Using the French standard, just by way of example, I'm taking violence or the threat thereof to encompass constraint, threat, violence or surprise.

Catmologen · 02-04-2018 11:23PM

Barry Murphy's Jaws analogy was probably the moment of the year on SCs for me!

Dots1982 · 02-04-2018 11:32PM

corwill wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

You think the compliant feared violence?

Your use of the word 'compliant' is a bit odd here, I had thought it a typo for 'complainant'. Using the French standard, just by way of example, I'm taking violence or the threat thereof to encompass constraint, threat, violence or surprise.

It’s an unfortunate misspelt. Don’t read anything into it. I’m far from thinking she was definitely compliant. I don’t honestly know. I do know that I would have voted not guilty personally as there were three reasonable doubts at least. In my opinion the case probably shouldn’t have been prosecuted as it was clear a month into evidence that a conviction was virtually impossible,

Did the complainant fear violence? I don’t really understand what you mean with - “Using the French standard, just by way of example, I'm taking violence or the threat thereof to encompass constraint, threat, violence or surprise”

Can you put forward your best guess why you believe the complainant didn’t resist initially when Jackson pulled down her jeans?

corwill · 02-04-2018 11:38PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

It’s an unfortunate misspelt. Don’t read anything into it. I’m far from thinking she was definitely compliant. I don’t honestly know. I do know that I would have voted not guilty personally as there were three reasonable doubts at least. In my opinion the case probably shouldn’t have been prosecuted as it was clear a month into evidence that a conviction was virtually impossible,

Did the complainant fear violence? I don’t really understand what you mean with - “Using the French standard, just by way of example, I'm taking violence or the threat thereof to encompass constraint, threat, violence or surprise”

Can you put forward your best guess why you believe the complainant didn’t resist initially when Jackson pulled down her jeans?

Personally, I think the intelligent conversations begin and end with 'I wasn't in court to hear all of the evidence, so I'm not going to second guess the jury, regardless of what take I might otherwise have', but that's just me.

Dots1982 · 02-04-2018 11:49PM

Ok, you don’t seem very familiar with the details of the case which is fair enough.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 03-04-2018 07:49AM

So we get a whole two minutes of soccer coverage from the weekend. This fiver is really not going far these days. Quality has gone way way way down.

OldMrBrennan83 · 03-04-2018 07:50AM

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