Second Captains

riemann

I'm still paying for a podcast I barely listen to and actually get more entertainment from this forum.

What is wrong with us.

Still worth 60 quid for one Paul Kimmage interview a year, reality check all round.

Pete Moss

riemann wrote:

I'm still paying for a podcast I barely listen to and actually get more entertainment from this forum.

riemann wrote:

What is wrong with us.

riemann wrote:

Still worth 60 quid for one Paul Kimmage interview a year, reality check all round.

I'd reevaluate the term "us" in your post. I'm sure plenty of subscribers might find it more value for money than others.

I tend to listen to 3/4 of the pods a week and I'm happy enough with that return for €6 a month (VAT inc) .

The content is, generally, pretty strong. Sure they have the odd dud pod, but, for me, the positives outweigh the negatives when it comes to the subscription fee.

Maybe end your subscription for a month or two and see if you miss it.

lawred2

Dots1982 wrote: »

Is richie sadlier a clinical psychologist? Do you not need a doctorate to be qualified do that? Is he Doctor Richie?

Not related to argument above.

psychotherapist - don't think it's necessarily a clinical setting nor does it allow for prescribing..

a psychologist requires a PhD alright

WhatsGoingOn2

Dots1982 wrote: »

Is richie sadlier a clinical psychologist? Do you not need a doctorate to be qualified do that? Is he Doctor Richie?

Not related to argument above.

Profile here
https://www.treehousepractice.ie/new-page/

OldMrBrennan83

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dominatinMC

Pete Moss wrote: »

I'd reevaluate the term "us" in your post. I'm sure plenty of subscribers might find it more value for money than others.

I tend to listen to 3/4 of the pods a week and I'm happy enough with that return for €6 a month (VAT inc) .

The content is, generally, pretty strong. Sure they have the odd dud pod, but, for me, the positives outweigh the negatives when it comes to the subscription fee.

Maybe end your subscription for a month or two and see if you miss it.

Not aiming this post at you Pete Moss, rather a general comment on this thread. Anytime I scroll through the posts, there is almost always someone complaining about paying €5/6 a month. Fair enough, any subscriber is entitled to complain, and criticise, the content, but if you really feel a fiver is too much to be paying someone for outputting ad-free, agenda-free, independent journalism, then you are probably better off reading balls.ie, or Joe.ie, or some other generic drivel. Looking at some of their "articles" really makes one appreciate actual journalism. I know there are some excellent, free alternatives to Second Captains at present, such as The GAA Hour (with Wooly), but I think that the majority of these shows will eventually be subscription-based (Arseblog recently adopted such a model). And I hope this model is successful in the long run, as I have no problem whatsoever paying a relatively small price for decent content. I'm not a journalist, nor would I want to be in this climate, but the general public have to recognise that journalism, as a profession, is in an extremely precarious position, and we need to support independent output. Otherwise, we will be left with a mogul like Denis O'Brien controlling what is being said.

Rant over

tomwaits48

One thing the World Service has done for me is open my eyes and ears to the GAA League season, something I never took seriously. Eoin pulling up Andy Moran this week regarding tactical fouling by Mayo over the weekend was a good listen. Also, refreshing to hear the perspective of a Division 4 footballer, the guy from Carlow. Spoke well.

Utopia Parkway

Bit odd that Ken had nothing to do with the Ken Loach interview. It was Eoin and Murph. Would have though it would have been right up Ken's street.

riemann

Pete Moss wrote: »

Maybe end your subscription for a month or two and see if you miss it.

Thanks for all your advice.

I have no problem giving the lads a fiver a month as over the last 10 years they have been a great source of passing time for me when doing some boring task.

In the past 6 months the quality of the output has dropped noticeably. Its amusing to see the same blinkered fan boys here attacking anyone who doesn't have the same low standards.

OldMrBrennan83

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corwill

riemann wrote: »

Thanks for all your advice.

I have no problem giving the lads a fiver a month as over the last 10 years they have been a great source of passing time for me when doing some boring task.

In the past 6 months the quality of the output has dropped noticeably. Its amusing to see the same blinkered fan boys here attacking anyone who doesn't have the same low standards.

You've been squirting bile around this thread for longer than 6 months. For all your snideness to other posters, you're the one wasting money on something you don't even like. Seriously, there's a really obvious solution, it's not the TV licence you're paying.

Dots1982

Ken loach interview good? Can’t have been much of a laugh?

Dots1982

tomwaits48 wrote: »

One thing the World Service has done for me is open my eyes and ears to the GAA League season, something I never took seriously. Eoin pulling up Andy Moran this week regarding tactical fouling by Mayo over the weekend was a good listen. Also, refreshing to hear the perspective of a Division 4 footballer, the guy from Carlow. Spoke well.

Do you listen to wooly’s The GAA Hour? It’s superb.

OldMrBrennan83

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Dots1982

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Best one there is. He's an infuriating whure at times but that's what makes it so good mostly.[/quote]

Yep but their coverage is different level to anything else. And wooly brings an edge to it where he can have a go at a lot of sacred cows. If you really don’t agree or want to take issue just call him out on twitter and he’ll often reply.

The show should have its own thread on boards at this stage.

dastardly00

I wasn't a fan of Wooly on OTB because he annoyed me when he talked about non-GAA stuff. I just thought he was too much of a wind-up merchant.

I really enjoy The GAA Hour though... He's in his element and it's my #1 podcast for GAA discussion.

OldMrBrennan83

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riemann

corwill wrote: »

You've been squirting bile around this thread for longer than 6 months. For all your snideness to other posters, you're the one wasting money on something you don't even like. Seriously, there's a really obvious solution, it's not the TV licence you're paying.

Thanks for proving my point, well done.

corwill

riemann wrote: »

Thanks for proving my point, well done.

Other posters have simply disagreed with you, that's all. Your taste, such as it is, is not to be confused with some golden standard of objective truth. But sure keep ripping up fivers and being peevish, if that's your thing.

Arghus

I must admit that I find myself listening to the podcasts less and less lately. I'll continue to support the lads because I think they've - as another poster has said - given me years worth of entertainment and I respect what they are trying to do: they've a long way to go before I feel that I'm totally done with what they're about.

But, for me, the pods, generally, have begun to feel somehow less vital as of late. When something crazy used to happen in the World of Football I used to look forward to their analysis, couldn't wait to hear it a lot of the time. You couldn't beat Ken's ability to analogise to a point of glorious ludicrousness and usually make a very salient point or two along the way - commonly using references well outside the world of sport - about a situation that no-one else had really thought about or even seemingly could think up. Stuff like The Fair View was absolute genius and compared to the bobbleheaded blandmeisters on Off The Ball, SC was absolutely next level stuff.

But lately so much of the football related content really does now rely on minute analysis of manager's post-game press conference pronouncements - with particular and increasingly repetitive emphasis on Jose Mourinho. And let's face it: it's nothing more than amateur psychology - and are the subject's verbal justifications really worthy of all this parsing? Do they really contain multitudes? They are just football managers, at the end of the day.

Don't get me wrong, I still find it better and more entertaining than most other football coverage and I know that's not all they are about, but sometimes I feel like they're increasingly taking the easy option when it comes to their football coverage. In general I don't feel like I've learned something or have just listened to outstanding content when I finish up listening to their coverage. And, as a result, I find myself skipping days without really getting bothered about it, whereas, before, I listened to every single show.

It's complicated. Maybe it's a matter of my own personal tastes changing as well: I certainly don't give anywhere near as much of a crap about football as I once did - though I still follow it pretty closely. And the boys still can produce really excellent shows; I thought the recent discussion about Jordan Peterson was absolutely great and I'm sure they'll make coverage of the The World Cup in many ways. And I think a fiver a month is no-problem in my book, but I can understand where people are coming from with when they wonder about the future quality of the shows. I think they've begun to rest on their laurels a little bit.

Utopia Parkway

I skip a fair few episodes mainly because there are other podcasts I listen to as well and only so much available time in the day with life getting in the way. I might get through an average of half of their weekly podcasts I reckon. Some weeks more. Some weeks less. Depending on if there is an interesting sports story out there or an interesting set of sporting fixtures. Or depending on how busy I am.

Still think it's well worth the sub even though I don't listen to everything they put out.

Not sure about there being a drop off in their standards to be honest. A lot of it I think is just people who have listened to them for years so after a while with the same voices I think a certain amount of apathy sets in. They could shake things up by introducing a new on air voice to the group. Only that person would probably be instantly hated by their old listeners.

Acosta

bren2001 wrote: »

You think ~30c a pod is overpriced? Right....

For what I'd be getting out of it 63 quid a year is a bit much. Most weeks a couple of football pods would do me and one is currently free. Might get it for the world cup though.

bren2001

Acosta wrote: »

For what I'd be getting out of it 63 quid a year is a bit much. Most weeks a couple of football pods would do me and one is currently free. Might get it for the world cup though.

Well thats a very different point. If you're not going to listen to the pods or only a few then obviously its not worth it. Its hardly overpriced tho.

Dots1982

It’s a very weak sporting year. Had we qualified for Russia I would have stayed subscribed probably.

No World Cup for Ireland and no real competitive fixtures, Man city’s procession to the title, Dublin way ahead of everyone in Gaelic football. Mcgregor on a hiatus still.

I know there’s the rugby and it’s great we have a winning team but I don’t personally need a tactical breakdown of a sport like that.

dulpit

My only gripe is that they don't cover other sports more. Like the cricketers not qualifying for the world cup, that could have been covered. Or the LOI from time to time.

Cienciano

riemann wrote: »

Thanks for all your advice.

I have no problem giving the lads a fiver a month as over the last 10 years they have been a great source of passing time for me when doing some boring task.

In the past 6 months the quality of the output has dropped noticeably. Its amusing to see the same blinkered fan boys here attacking anyone who doesn't have the same low standards.

It's completely subjective to say the standard has dropped. That's why people may disagree with you.

riemann

Cienciano wrote: »

It's completely subjective to say the standard has dropped. That's why people may disagree with you.

Disagree all you like. My point is anyone who questions the quality is attacked from all sides. This is supposed to be a discussion, not a fan club.

OldMrBrennan83

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Cienciano

dulpit wrote: »

My only gripe is that they don't cover other sports more. Like the cricketers not qualifying for the world cup, that could have been covered. Or the LOI from time to time.

Remember Roddy Collins on the radio show? Always enjoyed that, he was funny

dulux99

riemann wrote: »

Disagree all you like. My point is anyone who questions the quality is attacked from all sides. This is supposed to be a discussion, not a fan club.

Why don't you just stop listening? Seriously? Life is too short to be getting so riled up and getting into such boring debates about whether a bloody podcast is good or not. Most of us in the thread like it quite a lot - you don't. That's fine. From reading your posts you seem to think that your opinion is the be all and end all.