Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

enfant terrible · 30-03-2018 09:15PM

Oaklyn Early Fauna wrote: »

That's always a reliable classic. Breathtaking really.

According to Snopes that's a fairly accurate statement.

I thought Snopes was supposed to be non-partisan.

People were linking to it constantly during the Trump/Clinton election.

Ronaldinho · 30-03-2018 09:18PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Where is this 'rape culture' that fool Coppinger is protesting about?

Also if these consent classes ever did come in it should be for both genders and not just young lads who the radfems seem to think have no control over their sexual urges.

Hatred of women in Ireland has been passed from father and son down for generations.

That's quite the claim. What leads you to believe this is the case?

TerrorFirmer · 30-03-2018 09:20PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

We are seen as an alcoholic, misogynistic nation.
You do know other countries don-t treat women the same way that we do?
Ive lived in Spain for a considerable length of time. I have lived in different countries (teaching English). Spain is known for having a macho culture. I was treated with 10 times more respect in Spain than I was in Ireland.
Youve got to look at ourselves. Hatred of women in Ireland has been passed from father and son down for generations. How do we change it? Do you want to continue on like this? Teach the next generation to hate?

Honestly with that sort of a warped perspective I would suggest you need help in dealing with some serious issues.

There's opinion - and strong opinion - and then there's outright detachment from reality.

That's a new level of fantasy even by the standards set on boards.

RuMan · 30-03-2018 09:25PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Do people really not see how Ireland is preceived abroad.
Had anyone been abroad for a considerable length of time, that is talking on here?
We are seen as an alcoholic, misogynistic nation.
You do know other countries don-t treat women the same way that we do?
Ive lived in Spain for a considerable length of time. I have lived in different countries (teaching English). Spain is known for having a macho culture. I was treated with 10 times more respect in Spain than I was in Ireland.
Youve got to look at ourselves. Hatred of women in Ireland has been passed from father and son down for generations. How do we change it? Do you want to continue on like this? Teach the next generation to hate?

Balderdash.
Most countries know little about us and even less about perceived treatment of woman.
U2 and Guinness is about the extent of it. Woman in ireland are treated extremely well in international and historical terms.

Our we moving from MOPE ( most oppressed people ever) to MOWE?

I suspect you are taking the piss.

TheValeyard · 30-03-2018 09:27PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Do people really not see how Ireland is preceived abroad.
Had anyone been abroad for a considerable length of time, that is talking on here?
We are seen as an alcoholic, misogynistic nation.
You do know other countries don-t treat women the same way that we do?
Ive lived in Spain for a considerable length of time. I have lived in different countries (teaching English). Spain is known for having a macho culture. I was treated with 10 times more respect in Spain than I was in Ireland.
Youve got to look at ourselves. Hatred of women in Ireland has been passed from father and son down for generations. How do we change it? Do you want to continue on like this? Teach the next generation to hate?

What utter horse manure.
Hatred of women has not been passed down from father to son.

The vast majority, VAST majority of men have nothing but respect for women.

The Talking Bread · 30-03-2018 09:29PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

That's quite the claim. What leads you to believe this is the case?

desperation to be outraged.

mfceiling · 30-03-2018 09:29PM

RuMan wrote: »

Balderdash.
Most countries know little about us and even less about perceived treatment of woman.
U2 and Guinness is about the extent of it. Woman in ireland are treated extremely well in international and historical terms.

Our we moving from MOPE ( most oppressed people ever) to MOWE?

I suspect you are taking the piss.

Hatred of women eh? Just trying to think of our recent presidents here...

Father's teaching sons to hate women? Can't remember my dad ever telling us that or any of his brothers having hatred towards other women.
Some crap posted on here this past few days tbh.

Dyr · 30-03-2018 09:30PM

Ah yes, the greatest concern of the Irish Liberal: what will the neighbors think of us?

The Talking Bread · 30-03-2018 09:31PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Do people really not see how Ireland is preceived abroad.
Had anyone been abroad for a considerable length of time, that is talking on here?
We are seen as an alcoholic, misogynistic nation.
You do know other countries don-t treat women the same way that we do?
Ive lived in Spain for a considerable length of time. I have lived in different countries (teaching English). Spain is known for having a macho culture. I was treated with 10 times more respect in Spain than I was in Ireland.
Youve got to look at ourselves. Hatred of women in Ireland has been passed from father and son down for generations. How do we change it? Do you want to continue on like this? Teach the next generation to hate?

This is a disgusting opinion. And says more about what you think about men than what you actually believe men think about women.

Actually, no, it says more about you.

I really hope you don't pass this anti-male bile down to any members of your family. It is a dangerous line of logic

Cyrus · 30-03-2018 09:33PM

RuMan wrote: »

Balderdash.

I suspect you are taking the piss.

i think its conclusive now

FixdePitchmark · 30-03-2018 09:34PM

Would it be mad to close the thread ?

The hysteriameter has gone way off the scale.

It is almost at a stage this is getting way more energy than say the efforts to restoring the assembly in the North.
People are not even as energised about homelessness.

Lock the thread ?

The Talking Bread · 30-03-2018 09:36PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Would it be mad to close the thread ?

The hysteriameter has gone way off the scale.

It is almost at a stage this is getting way more energy than say the efforts to restoring the assembly in the North.
People are not even as energised about homelessness.

Lock the thread ?

You don't actually have to read or post in it?

Why enter a thread to say you don't want to read the thread!!

NAGDEFI · 30-03-2018 09:36PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Do people really not see how Ireland is preceived abroad.
Had anyone been abroad for a considerable length of time, that is talking on here?
We are seen as an alcoholic, misogynistic nation.
You do know other countries don-t treat women the same way that we do?
Ive lived in Spain for a considerable length of time. I have lived in different countries (teaching English). Spain is known for having a macho culture. I was treated with 10 times more respect in Spain than I was in Ireland.
Youve got to look at ourselves. Hatred of women in Ireland has been passed from father and son down for generations. How do we change it? Do you want to continue on like this? Teach the next generation to hate?

I was taught the exact opposite as a child and teenager by my dad. Utmost respect for women and gentlemanly conduct.

FixdePitchmark · 30-03-2018 09:37PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

You don't actually have to read or post in it?

True.

But I've seen threads locked - way way less defamatory.

Some of the posts are pure hatred on both side.

TheValeyard · 30-03-2018 09:37PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Would it be mad to close the thread ?

The hysteriameter has gone way off the scale.

It is almost at a stage this is getting way more energy than say the efforts to restoring the assembly in the North.
People are not even as energised about homelessness.

Lock the thread ?

No.

it's important people see how off the rails certain social groups have become.

Its important to see exactly what online hysterica can create.

Witch trials 4.0

TheValeyard · 30-03-2018 09:38PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

True.

But I've seen threads locked - way way less defamatory.

Some of the posts are pure hatred on both side.

Hatred leads to the dark side.

FixdePitchmark · 30-03-2018 09:38PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

No.

it's important people see how off the rails certain social groups have become.

Its important to see exactly what online hysterica can create.

Witch trials 4.0

Ok so

Sidebaro · 30-03-2018 09:41PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote:

The vast majority, VAST majority of men have nothing but respect for women.

I would question that given what I've seen on this thread, if you were to equate the ratio here to the ratio of the male population of Ireland. Women disbelieved when they say they've been raped (not the trial, a poster on boards), the woman in the trial labelled a slut and a liar, 'all lads talk like that, what can you do?', etc. I know that you'll say that's only a few but it's enough that I would question the claim of VAST majority. I know you'll say that women are bad too, of course they are but that's not what's being discussed. If you are blind to how ignorant a lot of comments directed at women have been then fine, I guess you don't think there's a problem but a lot of my female friends, not ones who protest or post hashtags, are intimidated by males in general. A lot of the time it's unwarranted but sometimes their fears are proved right and it's not the vast majority of the time. The flat out refusal of this, as if all posters only know good and honest men, is as unhelpful as it is expected.

Will I Am Not · 30-03-2018 09:41PM

Don’t feed it...

GreeBo · 30-03-2018 09:43PM

Mrs Shuttleworth wrote: »

The entire fallacy of "love" and "romance" is based initially on sex, and not on connections in any other way. Men sleep with women first then decide if they want to get to know them beyond that.

Those who aren't very good at the "merry go round at the carnival" (to quote the defendants) get left behind. This case proves that quite probably they are better off.

Sorry for adding annoying facts...but if men are having sex before getting to know someone...by definition doesn't that mean there are also women having sex with men they don't know?

wexie · 30-03-2018 09:47PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Sorry for adding annoying facts...but if men are having sex before getting to know someone...by definition doesn't that mean there are also women having sex with men they don't know?

There ya go again with your logical thinking and stuff.

Have you learnt nothing??

:D

TheValeyard · 30-03-2018 09:47PM

Sidebaro wrote: »

I would question that given what I've seen on this thread, if you were to equate the ratio here to the ratio of the male population of Ireland. Women disbelieved when they say they've been raped (not the trial, a poster on boards), the woman in the trial labelled a slut and a liar, 'all lads talk like that, what can you do?', etc. I know that you'll say that's only a few but it's enough that I would question the claim of VAST majority. I know you'll say that women are bad too, of course they are but that's not what's being discussed. If you are blind to how ignorant a lot of comments directed at women have been then fine, I guess you don't think there's a problem but a lot of my female friends, not ones who protest or post hashtags, are intimidated by males in general. A lot of the time it's unwarranted but sometimes their fears are proved right and it's not the vast majority of the time. The flat out refusal of this, as if all posters only know good and honest men, is as unhelpful as it is expected.

BS. And since you say you know how im going to reply, hey, boom. And your friends intimidated by 'males in general'. I don't believe this is true.

BTW, not blind or distracted. But maybe you are so distorted and hatred towards males, maybe you need to reflect on your own personal opinions.

NAGDEFI · 30-03-2018 09:47PM

C__MC wrote: »

Stalin’s show trials in Russia wouldn’t have a look in

In all fairness the Olding/Jackson trial can't be compared to a Stalin show trial where the innocent victim is tortured and choked with piano wire after. 1,000s of people liquidated.. not a great comparison:D

anthonyjmaher · 30-03-2018 09:49PM

Sidebaro wrote: »

If you are blind to how ignorant a lot of comments directed at women have been then fine, I guess you don't think there's a problem but a lot of my female friends, not ones who protest or post hashtags, are intimidated by males in general.

Jaysus. You'd swear that women were equally as adept at making cutting comments bout the appearance of the opposite sex. The difference being that if the woman says something about a man's appearance they are expected to "suck it up", if a man makes a comment about a woman's appearance it's "everybody down to HR for the afternoon".

anthonyjmaher · 30-03-2018 09:50PM

What do you think - Will Aodhan issue a full retraction and apology?

pupaxxx · 30-03-2018 09:50PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

Do people really not see how Ireland is preceived abroad.
Had anyone been abroad for a considerable length of time, that is talking on here?
We are seen as an alcoholic, misogynistic nation.
You do know other countries don-t treat women the same way that we do?
Ive lived in Spain for a considerable length of time. I have lived in different countries (teaching English). Spain is known for having a macho culture. I was treated with 10 times more respect in Spain than I was in Ireland.
Youve got to look at ourselves. Hatred of women in Ireland has been passed from father and son down for generations. How do we change it? Do you want to continue on like this? Teach the next generation to hate?

I was on the fence on this whole debate but this just got me.

I am a foreign woman living in Ireland for many many years, I STRONGLY disagree with this. Irish men are not what you describe. It's actually quite the opposite, they are very family and friend orientated. All of them are devoted to "Irish Mammies", sisters, daughters, nans and all other females in their lives. Yes, it is quite hard for a woman in work place as there is still prejudice that women should be saying at home, but that's a different discussion.

Could you give an example of the hatred?

One rotten apple, does not make them all bad... That's all, I'll say.

GreeBo · 30-03-2018 09:52PM

Appledreams15 wrote: »

.
Youve got to look at ourselves. Hatred of women in Ireland has been passed from father and son down for generations. How do we change it? Do you want to continue on like this? Teach the next generation to hate?

I blame the mothers.

TheValeyard · 30-03-2018 09:54PM

GreeBo wrote: »

I blame the mothers.

Irish mammies are awesome.

JP Liz V1 · 30-03-2018 09:57PM

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

What do you think - Will Aodhan issue a full retraction and apology?

What did he say so bad that he is getting sued, there is worse tweets

FixdePitchmark · 30-03-2018 10:00PM

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Hatred leads to the dark side.

Was listening to some of the stuff on TV3 last night.

The hatred for men is scary ****.
One guest - genuinley you would fear meeting a women in a sexual way at all. You would be at serious risk if you made any move at all.

Like - some of these people don't know what sort of violence men face growing up.
In parts of Dublin - answering "have you got a smoke bud" wrong - can lead to a serious head kicking.

Ian O'Doherty (I know a wind up merchant himself) put it well - when he said, common sense these days is a radical position.

Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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