Mens Rights Thread

citytillidie · 25-03-2018 05:48PM

Talking of soaps todays paper was talking about Hollyoaks doing a soccer coach grooming story line. I dunno if that is good or not. But I do remember them doing 2 male rape story lines and female on male violence story lines

iptba · 25-03-2018 08:22PM

LostinBlanch wrote: »

Austrian man sues under gender discrimination laws as a lesser qualified* woman is promoted over him. He won €317,368.

The case began in 2011, when the Austrian Minister of Transport, Innovation and Technology led by Social Democrat (SPÖ) politician Doris Bures—currently the Second President of the country's Parliament—decided to consolidate two departments and had to pick a new manager.

Three candidates came forward and were all judged to be highly-qualified for the role. Ursula Zechner, who then headed the rail regulator Schienen-Control, was ultimately offered the job over the other two male applicants. Franzmayr, whose application was rated 0.25 percent higher than Zechner's, sued for gender discrimination.

The Federal Administrative Court ruled in his favor on Monday, the Austrian press reported, and instructed the State to pay him compensation worth €317,368 (nearly $390,000)—the difference between his current salary and the one he would have earned in the role plus damages and interest. The court found a "discernible pattern, according to which [Zechner] was treated more favourably than the other candidates from the beginning," it said in the ruling, quoted in AFP.

Bures defended her decision in a statement to the press. She said the appointment was “carried out according to the procedure prescribed by law,” but admitted that the “mass underrepresentation of women" played a role in the decision-making process.

If more men start to win these discrimination cases I wonder how long it'll be before there'll be howls of outrage and calls for gender discrimination cases to only go one way i.e. against men only?

I'm no lawyer but I vaguely recall hearing about some European law that says gender discrimination can be justified if it corrects imbalances. I think it may even specify helping females, or perhaps what I'm thinking of is that it appeared to be written to facilitate it being used in this way.

El_Duderino 09 · 27-03-2018 07:40AM

Good news on the life expectancy gap. It seems men and women will have similar life expectancy by 2032. The article sites lifestyle changes as the cause of the gap and says there is no biological reason for women living longer than men.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5542909/amp/Men-live-long-women-2032-fewer-men-smoking.html

py2006 · 27-03-2018 10:31AM

Well, if its in the Daily Mail...

El_Duderino 09 · 27-03-2018 10:52AM

It's in The times and the guardian too if that makes it more likely to be true.

py2006 · 27-03-2018 11:14AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's in The times and the guardian too if that makes it more likely to be true.

Times slightly

El_Duderino 09 · 27-03-2018 11:24AM

py2006 wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's in The times and the guardian too if that makes it more likely to be true.

Times slightly

Very droll.
I’m just reporting some news relevant to men and men’s rights. Sorry that it’s good news. Twitter seems to be a good enough source to cause twisted knickers when it’s a bad news story.

Sleepy · 27-03-2018 11:24AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Good news on the life expectancy gap. It seems men and women will have similar life expectancy by 2032. The article sites lifestyle changes as the cause of the gap and says there is no biological reason for women living longer than men.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5542909/amp/Men-live-long-women-2032-fewer-men-smoking.html

That's interesting. So the general tendency for women to be more likely to have unhealthy habits is balancing out the general tendency for men to take more risks in their youth or pursue more dangerous career paths...

py2006 · 27-03-2018 11:25AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Very droll.
I’m just reporting some news relevant to men and men’s rights. Sorry that it’s good news. Twitter seems to be a good enough source to cause twisted knickers when it’s a bad news story.

Chill, I was just taking a dig at the Daily Mail

El_Duderino 09 · 27-03-2018 11:53AM

Sleepy wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Good news on the life expectancy gap. It seems men and women will have similar life expectancy by 2032. The article sites lifestyle changes as the cause of the gap and says there is no biological reason for women living longer than men.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5542909/amp/Men-live-long-women-2032-fewer-men-smoking.html

That's interesting. So the general tendency for women to be more likely to have unhealthy habits is balancing out the general tendency for men to take more risks in their youth or pursue more dangerous career paths...

Where are you getting that from? It mentions smoking, childbirth and war. Is the rest your own interpretation?

Sleepy · 27-03-2018 12:59PM

If men and women are set to have equal life expectancy, and women smoke at the same rate as men, something else has to balance out the increased propensity of men to die in youthful accidents and the workplace.

As the numbers of women in western society that die in childbirth would be trivial (although equally tragic) when compared to the numbers of men dying in the workplace, as a result of risk-taking behaviors or due to violence, something else must be bridging this gap.

There are regular media reports that teenage girls and young women are less likely than their male counterparts to engage in regular sporting activities or physical exercise. They'd also be far more likely to use sun beds.

I'm simply concluding that those unhealthy habits must be part of the equation.

El_Duderino 09 · 27-03-2018 01:11PM

Sleepy wrote: »

If men and women are set to have equal life expectancy, and women smoke at the same rate as men, something else has to balance out the increased propensity of men to die in youthful accidents and the workplace.

As the numbers of women in western society that die in childbirth would be trivial (although equally tragic) when compared to the numbers of men dying in the workplace, as a result of risk-taking behaviors or due to violence, something else must be bridging this gap.

There are regular media reports that teenage girls and young women are less likely than their male counterparts to engage in regular sporting activities or physical exercise. They'd also be far more likely to use sun beds.

I'm simply concluding that those unhealthy habits must be part of the equation.

I’d be careful of cherry picking aspects without actually looking into it. You have prostate cancer and there’s ovarian cancer. Men take more risks, women do less exercise. I’d say there are far too many variables to casually conclude anything.

The article does say that men and women have both reduced smoking rates since post ww2 highs of 80% men and 40% women. but men have stopped more dramatically than women to leave both men and women on about 16%

Sleepy · 28-03-2018 09:50AM

Hence why I said part of the equation...

Pawwed Rig · 28-03-2018 12:03PM

It will be interesting to see the headlines following the Paddy Jackson case.

LostinBlanch · 28-03-2018 03:51PM

Eh no thanks. Take a look at twitter and see how polarised opinion is on there. A lot of people have made up their minds on this case long before all the evidence was heard IMO, and they are holding onto their positions no matter what.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-03-2018 04:40PM

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

It will be interesting to see the headlines following the Paddy Jackson case.

Why would the headlines be interesting? He’s a sports star who may have committed rape. Depending on the outcome of the trial, the headlines would be fairly predictable.

What are you expecting?

givyjoe · 28-03-2018 06:59PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why would the headlines be interesting? He’s a sports star who may have committed rape. Depending on the outcome of the trial, the headlines would be fairly predictable.

What are you expecting?

Oh ffs. You very well know the answer. Just look at Twitter #ibelieveher

what you'll find is hysterical, biased outrage from people who had already decided they were guilty, and are absolutely fuming that the 'wrong' result was returned.

Eric Cartman · 28-03-2018 07:54PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Oh ffs. You very well know the answer. Just look at Twitter #ibelieveher

what you'll find is hysterical, biased outrage from people who had already decided they were guilty, and are absolutely fuming that the 'wrong' result was returned.

people already made their mind up that way. Feminist twitter is going mad and acting like its a nationwide conspiracy theory against women, ignoring that there were women on the jury and using it as a reason to blame all men for everything.

suicide_circus · 28-03-2018 08:20PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why would the headlines be interesting? He’s a sports star who may have committed rape. Depending on the outcome of the trial, the headlines would be fairly predictable.

What are you expecting?

Who may have committed rape? You missed the not guilty verdict then?

El_Duderino 09 · 28-03-2018 08:24PM

givyjoe wrote: »

Oh ffs. You very well know the answer. Just look at Twitter #ibelieveher

what you'll find is hysterical, biased outrage from people who had already decided they were guilty, and are absolutely fuming that the 'wrong' result was returned.

Are we still asking about twitter or headlines? Any numpty can get irate on Twitter.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-03-2018 08:25PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Who may have committed rape? You missed the not guilty verdict then?

I had missed the verdict.

givyjoe · 28-03-2018 09:02PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Are we still asking about twitter or headlines? Any numpty can get irate on Twitter.

Twitter, which will be followed by headlines from the usual suspects.

El_Duderino 09 · 28-03-2018 09:07PM

Twitter, which will be followed by headlines from the usual suspects.[/quote]

Oh grand. You're as free to get upset about twitter as everyone else on twitter.

But who are the usual suspects and what will the headlines be? Why be so vague if you're confident you know what's going to happen?

givyjoe · 28-03-2018 10:06PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Twitter, which will be followed by headlines from the usual suspects.

Oh grand. You're as free to get upset about twitter as everyone else on twitter.

But who are the usual suspects and what will the headlines be? Why be so vague if you're confident you know what's going to happen?[/quote]

Who says I'm upset? I see your back to your old self? The feigned interest in men's issues didn't last long eh?!

El_Duderino 09 · 29-03-2018 08:51AM

givyjoe wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Twitter, which will be followed by headlines from the usual suspects.

Oh grand. You're as free to get upset about twitter as everyone else on twitter.

But who are the usual suspects and what will the headlines be? Why be so vague if you're confident you know what's going to happen?

Who says I'm upset? I see your back to your old self? The feigned interest in men's issues didn't last long eh?![/quote]

I'm struggling to see how there's a men's issue at play. Someone made a vague comment about interesting headlines about the 4 lads acquittal and im asking what will be interesting about them.

You seemed to know what prediction they were making but haven't been more specific than 'twitter and the usual suspects'.

The headline I'm hoping for is one which says we need discussions about consent. That might have protected 5 people from their ordeal over the last while

El_Duderino 09 · 29-03-2018 08:55AM

givyjoe wrote: »

Who says I'm upset? I see your back to your old self? The feigned interest in men's issues didn't last long eh?!

I'm struggling to see how there's a men's issue at play. Someone made a vague comment about interesting headlines about the 4 lads acquittal and im asking what will be interesting about them.

You seemed to know what prediction they were making but haven't been more specific than 'twitter and the usual suspects'.

The headline I'm hoping for is one which says we need discussions about consent. That might have protected 5 people from their ordeal over the last while

Sleepy · 29-03-2018 10:43AM

I'd think the main thing that should be coming out of the Jackson case in terms of Mens Rights is that the UK should look at following our policy of not naming the accused in such cases until a guilty verdict is announced. (I notice many of the usual female supremacists on Twitter are actually calling for us to repeal our more sensible laws in this area).

It sounds like a drunken mess that no-one is coming out of well... whether entirely innocent or a case of "guilty but not provable beyond a reasonable doubt" the lads have come across as a bunch of neanderthals whilst their accuser comes across as, at best, extremely inconsistent in her recalling of the event and behaviour on the night in question and at worst someone prepared to destroy 4 lives in order to protect her reputation from a drunken mistake of her own making.

I've been generally trying to avoid the topic on social media tbh. Though the smart arse in me is really having to hold back from asking if the hashtag #ibelieveher refers to the accuser or Dara Florence who witnessed the threesome and judged it to appear consensual.

LostinBlanch · 29-03-2018 11:43PM

Sleepy wrote: »

I've been generally trying to avoid the topic on social media tbh. Though the smart arse in me is really having to hold back from asking if the hashtag #ibelieveher refers to the accuser or Dara Florence who witnessed the threesome and judged it to appear consensual.

That’s a good point. Let me know how you get on. :pac:

silverharp · 30-03-2018 04:39PM

boy suspended for being erm a boy

http://www.kmov.com/story/37816582/boy-suspended-for-drawing-stick-figures-holding-guns-knives

(Meredith) – A 13-year-old boy who drew a stick figure holding a gun and another holding two knives was suspended from his North Carolina middle school.

The boy’s father, James Herring, said he can’t believe his son received a two-day suspension earlier this month for what he calls a harmless picture.

“[He’s] just expressing himself, nothing violent,” Herring told WRAL. “I drew pictures like this…any other person of his age drew pictures like this. It’s nothing to get expelled from school for.”

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 30-03-2018 05:03PM

Sleepy wrote: »

I've been generally trying to avoid the topic on social media tbh. Though the smart arse in me is really having to hold back from asking if the hashtag #ibelieveher refers to the accuser or Dara Florence who witnessed the threesome and judged it to appear consensual.

I think you think that'd be a burn? Or a good point?

I believe them both. It's not hard.

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