Mens Rights Thread

Wibbs · 18-02-2018 06:49PM

TheAnalyst_ banned for trolling. Posts deleted. annnnd we're back on topic. Hopefully.

iptba · 06-03-2018 07:08PM

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

IMESUP

@TIMESUPNOW: The TIME’S UP Legal Defense Fund provides subsidized legal support to those who have experienced sexual harassment, assault, or abuse in the workplace. #TIMESUP

Comment: This description seems gender neutral but other descriptions have focused only on women from what I recall e.g.
https://twitter.com/TIMESUPNOW/status/965377018815766530
https://twitter.com/TIMESUPNOW/status/965280075439595520
https://twitter.com/TIMESUPNOW/status/952696960733057024

#IWD2018
International Women's Day 2018
https://twitter.com/SolaceWomensAid/status/964193906614308864

#SocialJusticeDay
Gender is mentioned quite a lot but pretty much exclusively women/females only mentioned.
https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/965731498681827329
https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/966003315518697473
https://twitter.com/KevinMajoni/status/965929237118058496
https://twitter.com/ActionAid_Kenya/status/965801803404234752
https://twitter.com/ActionAid_Kenya/status/965921122356269056

International Women's Day

‏#IWDCCD
Accenture Ireland @Accenture_Irl International Women’s Day in the Convention Centre Dublin
https://twitter.com/Accenture_Irl/status/970962142777266176

International Women's Day-related hashtags have been trending a lot over the last week or 2

iptba · 07-03-2018 10:43PM

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/equal-leave-could-boost-female-staff-36678137.html

Encouraging equal parental leave, instead of just maternity leave, could entirely mitigate any negative impact on women's advancement in the workforce after having children, new research has suggested.

Implementing maternity leave alone is likely to hold women back from career progression, but when companies encourage parental leave for men and women, the negative impact on women's advancement is cancelled out completely, the research by Accenture and published ahead of International Womens' Day tomorrow found.

The 'Getting to Equal 2018' report identified what it said are 40 key factors to foster gender equality in Irish workplaces, including that gender diversity is a priority for management. Equal parental leave for men and women, scrapping dress codes and having a diversity target were also found to be among the most influential factors in supporting the progress of women.

The research was based on a survey of 22,000 working people in 34 countries - including more than 700 in Ireland. It measured perceptions of factors that contribute to their workplace cultures.

The majority (59pc) said they work in organisations that don't have a women's network, but women do better where one is active. And the research said three times more women are on the fast-track in companies that already have at least one female senior leader.

The parental leave issue is an example of how a drive to help women could also help men.

However "diversity targets" could cause discrimination against men.

I found it interesting that 41% do work in organisations that do have a women's network.

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Accenture seem to be big into gender quotas and targets for themselves:
https://www.accenture.com/ie-en/gender-equality-research

El_Duderino 09 · 08-03-2018 09:08AM

Parental leave is a very civilised idea. It allows the parents to share our their leave in a way that suits them best as s couple. It gives men a right to choose something that was only available to women.

Hopefully it will be brought in here before long. Though with the advancement of neoliberal business practices, I wouldn't count on additional rights being given to employees without really fighting for it.

titan18 · 08-03-2018 04:31PM

iptba wrote: »

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

IMESUP

@TIMESUPNOW: The TIME’S UP Legal Defense Fund provides subsidized legal support to those who have experienced sexual harassment, assault, or abuse in the workplace. #TIMESUP

Comment: This description seems gender neutral but other descriptions have focused only on women from what I recall e.g.
https://twitter.com/TIMESUPNOW/status/965377018815766530
https://twitter.com/TIMESUPNOW/status/965280075439595520
https://twitter.com/TIMESUPNOW/status/952696960733057024

#IWD2018
International Women's Day 2018
https://twitter.com/SolaceWomensAid/status/964193906614308864

#SocialJusticeDay
Gender is mentioned quite a lot but pretty much exclusively women/females only mentioned.
https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/965731498681827329
https://twitter.com/UN_Women/status/966003315518697473
https://twitter.com/KevinMajoni/status/965929237118058496
https://twitter.com/ActionAid_Kenya/status/965801803404234752
https://twitter.com/ActionAid_Kenya/status/965921122356269056

International Women's Day

‏#IWDCCD
Accenture Ireland @Accenture_Irl International Women’s Day in the Convention Centre Dublin
https://twitter.com/Accenture_Irl/status/970962142777266176

International Women's Day-related hashtags have been trending a lot over the last week or 2

Ya, our place had Edel House in for it. Feck if I'm giving money to a charity that discriminates against men.

Company was all show how great women are in there, and it's a place where it's a vast majority female anyway, so it's not like they needed to do it. Nothing for International Mens Day of course, or like they'd even think of doing it.

iptba · 08-03-2018 06:07PM

titan18 wrote: »

Ya, our place had Edel House in for it. Feck if I'm giving money to a charity that discriminates against men.

Company was all show how great women are in there, and it's a place where it's a vast majority female anyway, so it's not like they needed to do it. Nothing for International Mens Day of course, or like they'd even think of doing it.

A lot of companies have been posting something to mark International Women's Day today and social media e.g.
https://twitter.com/TescoIrl/status/971709111459987457
https://twitter.com/AerLingus/status/971691137881735168
https://twitter.com/CNNMoney/status/971806112264736771
https://twitter.com/Disney/status/971772794676621315
https://www.facebook.com/3Ireland/videos/1745596098793906/
https://www.facebook.com/vodafoneUK/videos/10155541177364385/

https://twitter.com/mcr_central/status/970960324613591040
https://twitter.com/BBCNWT/status/971739452610633728

This may show who has a lot of the real power in the world:
https://twitter.com/shannoncoulter/status/971802374783184896

Sleepy · 09-03-2018 11:08AM

I'm by no means arguing against doing so but even if the governmet could be persuaded to grant men equal parental leave, does anyone really think that women wouldn't still be the majority of primary care givers? No doubt it would improve the gender balance somewhat but there'd still be two major issues maintaining an earnings gap between men and women:

1. IME, far more women *want* to be stay-at-home parents or do drop to part-time hours in order to spend more time with their kids than men.

2. Most women still want to "marry up" (or at least marry men of equal earning capacity as themselves). Unless a couple earn enough to pay for a full-time nanny (not something most of us can do) one, or the other parent will still have to become the primary care-giver who works shorter hours, takes more leave to deal with sick kids etc. If women aren't partnering up with men who earn less than themselves in much larger numbers, there's little economic incentive for the status quo to change: women will still tend to take on the primary care giver role in higher numbers than men.

Zulu · 09-03-2018 12:03PM

Sleepy wrote: »

I'm by no means arguing against doing so but even if the governmet could be persuaded to grant men equal parental leave, does anyone really think that women wouldn't still be the majority of primary care givers? No doubt it would improve the gender balance somewhat but there'd still be two major issues maintaining an earnings gap between men and women:

1. IME, far more women *want* to be stay-at-home parents or do drop to part-time hours in order to spend more time with their kids than men.

2. Most women still want to "marry up" (or at least marry men of equal earning capacity as themselves). Unless a couple earn enough to pay for a full-time nanny (not something most of us can do) one, or the other parent will still have to become the primary care-giver who works shorter hours, takes more leave to deal with sick kids etc. If women aren't partnering up with men who earn less than themselves in much larger numbers, there's little economic incentive for the status quo to change: women will still tend to take on the primary care giver role in higher numbers than men.

Which is exactly what happened in Sweden. IIRC, they had to force couples for men take a portion of the leave.

Of course there's an argument that men simply wouldn't take it, but I believe the reality is more that couples continued to choose to let the mothers have it.

Triceratops Ballet · 09-03-2018 12:12PM

Zulu wrote: »

Which is exactly what happened in Sweden. IIRC, they had to force couples for men take a portion of the leave.

Of course there's an argument that men simply wouldn't take it, but I believe the reality is more that couples continued to choose to let the mothers have it.

Yes but it's about choice, it means that fathers who want to can, and women who don't want to don't have to.
Currently if a woman doesn't want to take her full entitlement to maternity leave it just goes, she can't offer it to her partner, who might jump at the chance to have even only 3/4 weeks to bond with the new baby. She becomes the primary caregiver by default because she's the only one legally entitled to up to 42 weeks off work, and her partner becomes the primary breadwinner by default because for pretty much a whole year they've had to be.

Zulu · 09-03-2018 12:32PM

Triceratops Ballet wrote: »

Yes but it's about choice, ...

Oh no, I get that. Apologies if I suggested otherwise, but I'm all for parental leave.
I'd get rid of maternal leave in a heartbeat, let women have sick leave for the recovery, and then have a large chunk of parental leave for the parents to decide what to do with.

iptba · 10-03-2018 05:38PM

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

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#womensinspire

#MAWWMB
evening with @MasonAlexander_ for #IWD2018

#InternationalWomensDay LIVE
International Women's Day 2018
International Women's Day: More than 50 events for Ireland
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/international-women-s-day-more-than-50-events-for-ireland-1.3418380

#IWD2018
International Women's Day is celebrated around the world

#PressForProgess - connected with International Women's Day
this was retweeted by the Irish Citizens Information account:
https://twitter.com/AngelaBlackCIB/status/971665901329223681

#Vótáil100

#BoldGirls
https://twitter.com/sarahwebbishere/status/971682266928820224

#rteiwd
https://twitter.com/ireland/status/971816753545273345
https://twitter.com/TaraghLG/status/971739648572706817
https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/living/2018/0307/945721-whats-happening-for-international-womens-day-2018/
Tickets, which are now sold out, were just €5, with all profits going to Women's Aid.

Google highlighted International Women's Day on their homepage https://www.google.ie/
(Probably not important) Sky TV had a page for International Women's Day

Not trending but I saw this women-only prize being discussed in the Irish Times
2018 Women’s prize for fiction

https://twitter.com/Ford_Library/status/971749541035892736

#SheInspiresMe

#WomenXBorders
https://twitter.com/IrishWritersCtr/status/972496857250353153

_Dara_ · 11-03-2018 03:17AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Spot on.

I listened to an American show discussing male circumcisions and the host said 'yeah but foreskin is fcuking ugly' . And a point which seemed to carry weight was that circumcised men wanted their son to look like them. It would down to cosmetic surgery on an infant's genitals. Mental stuff.

Americans are wwwweeeeird about circumcision. Socially-conditioned, I guess, but weird.

There was a American messageboard I used to be a frequent contributor to. There was a forum member there that I held in high regard. He was very considered and often was able to look at things a step removed from the consensus. The subject of circumcision came up and, to my surprise, he trotted out all the usual supposed benefits of circumcision: more hygienic, helps reduce infection, yadda yadda yadda. It just demonstrated to me how engrained the practice of circumcision is in American society. People don't seem to question whether it is truly of benefit.

El_Duderino 09 · 18-03-2018 08:38PM

I see a new study has shown very positive results for the Male Contraceptive Pill. It comes up every so often and this time they seem to have solved some of the serious side effects including liver swelling and each pill lasting a day.

As always, more testing needed. But this represents another way to empower men to take control of their reproductive health. Hopefully it becomes a viable option sooner rather than later.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/18/male-contraceptive-pill-safe-use-does-not-harm-sex-drive-first/amp/

mzungu · 18-03-2018 09:06PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I see a new study has shown very positive results for the Male Contraceptive Pill. It comes up every so often and this time they seem to have solved some of the serious side effects including liver swelling and each pill lasting a day.

As always, more testing needed. But this represents another way to empower men to take control of their reproductive health. Hopefully it becomes a viable option sooner rather than later.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/18/male-contraceptive-pill-safe-use-does-not-harm-sex-drive-first/amp/

This is great news. Hopefully it will be on the market in the near future.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-03-2018 07:46AM

Apparently Coronation Street is airing a story about a man who is drugged and raped by a new friend. The story is set to run for the next few weeks.

Men’s rape charity Male Survivor has had an increase of calls by 1700% since the story first aired.

Great to see such a serious men’s issue getting publicity.

http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/coronation-street/news/a852803/coronation-street-david-platt-male-rape-boosts-helpline-calls/

PeterParker957 · 21-03-2018 12:42PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Apparently Coronation Street is airing a story about a man who is drugged and raped by a new friend. The story is set to run for the next few weeks.

Men’s rape charity Male Survivor has had an increase of calls by 1700% since the story first aired.

Great to see such a serious men’s issue getting publicity.

http://www.digitalspy.com/soaps/coronation-street/news/a852803/coronation-street-david-platt-male-rape-boosts-helpline-calls/

Agreed, when I read the story was to be told I was concerned - it will be dark - but it needed to be told.

I work with students I have seen a video of a survivor of rape, he broke my heart. More funding, help, understanding and compassion needed.

Sleepy · 21-03-2018 01:53PM

I think it's a shame they made the rapist a man tbh, could've been much more useful if the character were raped by a woman.

PeterParker957 · 21-03-2018 02:00PM

Sleepy wrote: »

I think it's a shame they made the rapist a man tbh, could've been much more useful if the character were raped by a woman.

There was an episode of Law and Order one time where the victim was a male stripper who was tied up and raped by three of the audience.

In my view it was shown with almost "levity" rather than a serious issue which was sad, they had a perfect opportunity to show it can and does happen often.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-03-2018 04:10PM

Sleepy wrote: »

I think it's a shame they made the rapist a man tbh, could've been much more useful if the character were raped by a woman.

Why a shame? Men on men rape is a serious issue. Woman on men rape is also a serious issue but coronation Street doesn't have to cover either storyline. I don't think it's a shame either way as long as they tell the story of male rape. I say fair play to them. That one men's rape charity having a 17times their usual calls shows its having an impact.

silverharp · 21-03-2018 04:37PM

Sleepy wrote: »

I think it's a shame they made the rapist a man tbh, could've been much more useful if the character were raped by a woman.

Im the first to ask about switching the genders around but female on male rape is not a common fear amongst men so probably not a compelling story line, there was that 90's movie disclosure with Michael Douglas.
in this realm I guess domestic abuse against men would be a good story line

givyjoe · 21-03-2018 04:46PM

silverharp wrote: »

Im the first to ask about switching the genders around but female on male rape is not a common fear amongst men so probably not a compelling story line, there was that 90's movie disclosure with Michael Douglas.
in this realm I guess domestic abuse against men would be a good story line

They did actually produce an episode on Male 'Rape' (technically women can't right?). Chap released from jail was forced into having sex by his female parole officer.

deandean · 22-03-2018 12:02AM

Interesting article here about the late great Robin Williams in his ‘Mork from Ork’ days. So apparently he was a bit mad sometimes (!), and he got overexcited sometimes, and he did some provocative things to Mindy and the rest of the cast:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/mar/21/robin-williams-groped-flashed-me-on-set-mork-mindy-pam-dawber

Having watched all his movies I feel I know the man, somewhat. The word ‘sexual’ never ever came into my mind set when I was looking at his stuff, and this seems to be borne out by the commentary of those on the set with him. He was just full-on; full of energy.
I guess that if this was to happen today, he would be sued for zillions of dollars, he’d would lose all his endorsements, be declared bankrupt, the guy might even have ended up topping himself as a result of vile commentary from the feminatzis.
Robin Williams. A lovable, brilliant, decent guy.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-03-2018 09:42AM

deandean wrote: »

Interesting article here about the late great Robin Williams in his ‘Mork from Ork’ days. So apparently he was a bit mad sometimes (!), and he got overexcited sometimes, and he did some provocative things to Mindy and the rest of the cast:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/mar/21/robin-williams-groped-flashed-me-on-set-mork-mindy-pam-dawber

Having watched all his movies I feel I know the man, somewhat. The word ‘sexual’ never ever came into my mind set when I was looking at his stuff, and this seems to be borne out by the commentary of those on the set with him. He was just full-on; full of energy.
I guess that if this was to happen today, he would be sued for zillions of dollars, he’d would lose all his endorsements, be declared bankrupt, the guy might even have ended up topping himself as a result of vile commentary from the feminatzis.
Robin Williams. A lovable, brilliant, decent guy.

In the context of men's rights thread, what rights are you advocating for? The right to hump, grope a tit or arse, poke old women in the arse with a stick, walk around work naked, as long as it's intended to get a laugh?

silverharp · 22-03-2018 10:07AM

deandean wrote: »

Interesting article here about the late great Robin Williams in his ‘Mork from Ork’ days. So apparently he was a bit mad sometimes (!), and he got overexcited sometimes, and he did some provocative things to Mindy and the rest of the cast:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/mar/21/robin-williams-groped-flashed-me-on-set-mork-mindy-pam-dawber

Having watched all his movies I feel I know the man, somewhat. The word ‘sexual’ never ever came into my mind set when I was looking at his stuff, and this seems to be borne out by the commentary of those on the set with him. He was just full-on; full of energy.
I guess that if this was to happen today, he would be sued for zillions of dollars, he’d would lose all his endorsements, be declared bankrupt, the guy might even have ended up topping himself as a result of vile commentary from the feminatzis.
Robin Williams. A lovable, brilliant, decent guy.

he would probably be alive today if he wasn't divorce raped

Sleepy · 22-03-2018 05:00PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why a shame?

Quite simply because it might challenge the "men are always the perpetraitors of rape / violence / everything evil in the world" view of the modern media.

silverharp wrote: »

Im the first to ask about switching the genders around but female on male rape is not a common fear amongst men so probably not a compelling story line, there was that 90's movie disclosure with Michael Douglas.
in this realm I guess domestic abuse against men would be a good story line

It's not exactly a show aimed at, or generally watched by, men though and the aim of their inclusion of such storylines is usually to "highlight issues". IMHO, it'd be nice if they could address male rape without the continued implication that "rapist" = "man".

givyjoe · 22-03-2018 05:12PM

Sleepy wrote: »

Quite simply because it might challenge the "men are always the perpetraitors of rape / violence / everything evil in the world" view of the modern media.

It's not exactly a show aimed at, or generally watched by, men though and the aim of their inclusion of such storylines is usually to "highlight issues". IMHO, it'd be nice if they could address male rape without the continued implication that "rapist" = "man".

They have, more than once. Male here who used to watch it regularly.

El_Duderino 09 · 22-03-2018 05:25PM

Sleepy wrote: »

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why a shame?

Quite simply because it might challenge the "men are always the perpetraitors of rape / violence / everything evil in the world" view of the modern media.

It's not exactly a show aimed at, or generally watched by, men though and the aim of their inclusion of such storylines is usually to "highlight issues". IMHO, it'd be nice if they could address male rape without the continued implication that "rapist" = "man".

Lord God. Is that what you took from it? Well there's a good news story whether you like it or not re the men's rape helpline getting 17 times their usual calls after the episode. So more men are coming forward and seeking help.

Soaps usually progress in the types of storylines they employ. It would make sense to introduce the concept of a man being raped in the most direct way ie. by another man. I'd be surprised if Hollyoaks hasn't done a story about a female rapist (sexual abuser since the law doesn't account for a woman committing rape). I know Hollyoaks did a story about a man being raped by a man and it actually has really progressive storylines (along with terrible acting).

In any case I say fair play to Coronation Street for moving the ball forward in bringing the issue of male rape to the public consciousness.

tritium · 22-03-2018 07:07PM

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Agreed, when I read the story was to be told I was concerned - it will be dark - but it needed to be told.

I work with students I have seen a video of a survivor of rape, he broke my heart. More funding, help, understanding and compassion needed.

Corrie to be fair has a good record of covering topics that are a bit of taboo. I think both male and female domestic abuse victims have also featured in storylines in recent years

LostinBlanch · 25-03-2018 12:23PM

Austrian man sues under gender discrimination laws as a lesser qualified* woman is promoted over him. He won €317,368.

The case began in 2011, when the Austrian Minister of Transport, Innovation and Technology led by Social Democrat (SPÖ) politician Doris Bures—currently the Second President of the country's Parliament—decided to consolidate two departments and had to pick a new manager.

Three candidates came forward and were all judged to be highly-qualified for the role. Ursula Zechner, who then headed the rail regulator Schienen-Control, was ultimately offered the job over the other two male applicants. Franzmayr, whose application was rated 0.25 percent higher than Zechner's, sued for gender discrimination.

The Federal Administrative Court ruled in his favor on Monday, the Austrian press reported, and instructed the State to pay him compensation worth €317,368 (nearly $390,000)—the difference between his current salary and the one he would have earned in the role plus damages and interest. The court found a "discernible pattern, according to which [Zechner] was treated more favourably than the other candidates from the beginning," it said in the ruling, quoted in AFP.

Bures defended her decision in a statement to the press. She said the appointment was “carried out according to the procedure prescribed by law,” but admitted that the “mass underrepresentation of women" played a role in the decision-making process.

If more men start to win these discrimination cases I wonder how long it'll be before there'll be howls of outrage and calls for gender discrimination cases to only go one way i.e. against men only?

the_pen_turner · 25-03-2018 01:34PM

Sleepy wrote: »

Quite simply because it might challenge the "men are always the perpetraitors of rape / violence / everything evil in the world" view of the modern media.

It's not exactly a show aimed at, or generally watched by, men though and the aim of their inclusion of such storylines is usually to "highlight issues". IMHO, it'd be nice if they could address male rape without the continued implication that "rapist" = "man".

i agree. they did a great job witht he domestic violance story a few years ago when tyrone was abused by the police woman i dont watch 'corry' but did hear several people talking about it regularly at the time and it was great to see them debating it.. there was still a few that claimed it doesnt happen but other pointed out it does regularly happen. its great when soaps like this can change opinion or open eyes.

i dont see why they couldnt have done the same with this. this story still fits in with the narative that men rape women and men. everyone knows that happens so any gains are in making it more visable.

showing women raping would be ground breaking and show that it can happen not just highlight it. it could very easily have show something that is widly ignored and brushed aside as imagination.

any publicity men on men rape get is great but it could have done something that had a huge amount more to gain by the same publicity

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