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The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Edward M wrote: »
    Personally, I've never reported a post, let them say what they like, if its stupid it shows and actually weakens their argument.
    There have been accusations of ganging up on posters on here already, just a few posts ago one choice poster said to another, I'll report this post, will you do it too.
    Its funny to look at others throwing hizzy fits over certain posts, I always think my truth surely isn't theirs and leave it at that.

    To be fair that poster was going in circles and derailing debate as much as possible. And further, earlier in the thread we had a self proclaimed ‘national socialist’ who was a Nazi enthusiast by the looks of the links he gave us.
    It’s hard to have an open debate or discussion when people come in with such an extreme agenda and refuse to listen. Really good contributiors to the thread have been banned from the thread for reacting to these people. They were looking for that reaction too.
    So following several reminders from mods, if we think someone is trolling or a re reg, report them rather than engaging and reacting to them.

    That is appropriate action rather than allowing them hijack the discussion by goin in circles arguing with them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    The ones that make light of the situation, and claim that people will be running around, having 2 abortions a day, and claiming pregnancies are a mere inconvenience is the PLC.

    Some of the people here have been through pregnancies, easy and hard ones, have been through miscarriage, have been through abortions, and can still separate emotion from logic and reasoning.

    I am currently pregnant. I went for my 12 week scan this week and I’m not ashamed to say that I cried when I saw my baby on the screen, wriggling about the place.

    And i’m still pro-choice.

    I want this baby, and I have wanted a baby for years. But if everything goes pear shaped it is horrifying to that my country doesn’t have my back.

    When my OH asked what I was nervous about I could see his expression change when I said ‘that something will be wrong and there will be nothing they can do because it still has a faint heartbeat and i’ll have to keep going back for scan after scan to check if it’s dead yet because we can’t afford to go to the UK’.

    I shouldn’t have to worry about this kind of thing. NO woman should have to worry about this. We should be able to have confidence that ‘something is badly wrong’ will be followed by ‘these are the options you have’, and to actually have options other than ‘nothing’ or ‘England’.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 233 ✭✭Hooks Golf Handicap


    What gets me about the pro-life side is the complete lack of acknowledgement that abortions are happening everyday in Ireland by women procuring the 2 pills from Holland.

    Their victory will only secure that unsafe medical practice becomes the norm.

    Surely they can see the wood from the trees or do they like to pretend it doesn't go on.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Even in the Seanad the pro lifers aren’t afraid of warping the truth out of all shape. (She’s changed it from 20 weeks to 26 weeks having previously spoken at the life institute stating 22 weeks). Selective memory or just lying. It would be a totally new record if the baby was born weighing 3lbs at 20 weeks. She has since ‘clarified’ her statement. Eyeroll

    https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/978760062939402240?s=21


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭whatdoicare


    https://www.limerickpost.ie/2018/03/28/abortion-survivor-to-address-limerick-rally-on-april-6th/

    Limerick prolifers are shipping in American "abortion survivors" to tell us all about how its totally normal and safe for 13 year olds to have babies and all about adoption, ignoring the fact that adoption barely happens here and a 13 year old could die having a baby.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,188 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    david75 wrote: »
    To be fair that poster was going in circles and derailing debate as much as possible. And further, earlier in the thread we had a self proclaimed ‘national socialist’ who was a Nazi enthusiast by the looks of the links he gave us.
    It’s hard to have an open debate or discussion when people come in with such an extreme agenda and refuse to listen. Really good contributiors to the thread have been banned from the thread for reacting to these people. They were looking for that reaction too.
    So following several reminders from mods, if we think someone is trolling or a re reg, report them rather than engaging and reacting to them.

    That is appropriate action rather than allowing them hijack the discussion by goin in circles arguing with them.

    I hate seeing posters banned. Even for abuse. The way I see it is its the internet, don't get upset. If someone is resorting to name calling then their argument lacks merit. I got called a murderer earlier, a double murderer in fact. And I don't care. If that's what someone thinks of me, cool. They can judge away. I wouldn't report them for it.

    There was a poster earlier who got upset because others called BS on his anecdote and accused him of hypocrisy. I mean, seriously. Too much emotion.

    I realise that some posters don't engage and simply repeat the same thing over and over again and that can be frustrating for those that actually want to discuss the issue. Their posts/arguments are usually torn to shreds quickly and frequently and I like to think it must be embarrassing for them to keep coming back simply to get their arse handed to them again and again.

    I do understand that there are standards to be maintained here and that by getting rid of some of the posts/posters it helps the discussion and keeps it moving. I like hearing both sides of an argument. Sometimes it confirms my opinion, other times it helps me form an opinion and occasionally it changes my opinion. I just hate the idea that people might mistakenly think they are being silenced because of their opinion rather than their style.

    Also I'm very suspicious of the Mods on here. We all know they are power hungry, wannabe Donald Trumps, willing to ban anyone who disagrees with them :D I'm watching you!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    There's a brilliant FAQ from the Institute of Obstetricians here. It does an excellent job of addressing some of the most common questions.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,837 ✭✭✭Edward M


    Good for you, I've only reported the ones with personal abuse. However, I can also acknowledge that the poster was dragging down the standard of the thread, whilst contributing nothing and not engaging in discussion. Posters who have done that in other threads on other topics have been banned from the thread for doing it too. It's nothing to do with his stance on the referendum and I would hope that if someone on the pro-repeal side was posting in the same manner, they would also be removed. You can report away at posts, but that doesn't mean there will be a mod action against them. In this case, the poster was deemed to be not contributing to the point of trolling. Maybe not a troll in himself, but 50 posts of soundbite and no discussion is a bit much, to the point of being considered against Boards standards, which I think is fair.

    Before you start crying bias, the mod in question has banned people from both sides of the discussion.

    Just to be clear, I wasn't referring to the mods decision, it was the earlier call for someone else to report also.
    That poster has since replied elsewhere, I accept their explanation as I do yours, I was just making the point of the call being made for others to report also.
    As for myself, I'll trundle along, post what you like, I'll read and evaluate for myself, I'll let the mods do the same.
    I won't be asking for any sanctions, even against the most mundane, nor publicly denouncing any decisions mods make either.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Government will later today confirm the referendum on the Eighth Amendment will take place on May 25th.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,246 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    david75 wrote: »
    Even in the Seanad the pro lifers aren’t afraid of warping the truth out of all shape. (She’s changed it from 20 weeks to 26 weeks having previously spoken at the life institute stating 22 weeks). Selective memory or just lying. It would be a totally new record if the baby was born weighing 3lbs at 20 weeks. She has since ‘clarified’ her statement. Eyeroll

    https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/978760062939402240?s=21

    Average weight for a 20 week fetus is about 10-11 oz, not 48.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 233 ✭✭Hooks Golf Handicap


    I'm very surprised with the poll above in comparison to the more even spread on this thread.

    I've noticed a lot of people , like my wife, who is voting to Repeal but unlike the Equality referendum she's keeping her mouth shut.
    The only action she's promised is to tear down Iona style posters which will undoubtedly show a chopped up 18 week aborted fetus when they begin to panic closer to the vote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    I've noticed a lot of people , like my wife, who is voting to Repeal but unlike the Equality referendum she's keeping her mouth shut.

    Like your wife, I'll vote ( and talk here anonymously), but I would be slow in real life to wade into an abortion argument. I am not sure it would be safe.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Like your wife, I'll vote ( and talk here anonymously), but I would be slow in real life to wade into an abortion argument. I am not sure it would be safe.

    Even with (or perhaps especially) with family or close friends it can be suddenly explosive. I’ve been alarmed to find out where some family and friends stand on this. Some of them with the worst most extreme mindsets, all based on lies and misinformation they’ve read and some just from being from a different time and mindset.

    That old civil war cliche about brother against brother applies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,816 ✭✭✭ProfessorPlum


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Average weight for a 20 week fetus is about 10-11 oz, not 48.

    ......average life expectancy for a 20 week foetus is zero.

    Given that the senator has ‘done the maths’ (ie she asserts is her baby was born 8 weeks on from the 20 weeks), I can only assume she is very confused about either how premature her baby was or how the whole pregnancy thing works. Which for a mother of 4 is surprising.

    Genuinely can’t figure this ‘slip’ out.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    ......average life expectancy for a 20 week foetus is zero.

    Given that the senator has ‘done the maths’ (ie she asserts is her baby was born 8 weeks on from the 20 weeks), I can only assume she is very confused about either how premature her baby was or how the whole pregnancy thing works. Which for a mother of 4 is surprising.

    Genuinely can’t figure this ‘slip’ out.


    Bear in mind she’s given three different time frames on three different occasions.

    It wasn’t a slip. It was a lie. It was a slip only in that a liar needs a good memory.

    To lie in the senate though?? On record??


    She’s sheep spinning on twitter and Facebook trying to clarify her remarks.

    Translation-more lies and bull**** from pro life. But in the senate this time.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 300 ✭✭garbo speaks


    I really hope the referendum is defeated so I sit back and watch the leftist loonies meltdown on Twitter; it will be up there with the leftist fallout after Trump was elected. :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    I really hope the referendum is defeated so I sit back and watch the leftist loonies meltdown on Twitter; it will be up there with the leftist fallout after Trump was elected. :D

    Cool. I’m not leftist and don’t even know what that means but I’ll call you morning of the ballot count and we can squuueeee over the result together if you like?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    I feel ill. 25th of May confirmed. Let's do this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,739 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    I really hope the referendum is defeated so I sit back and watch the leftist loonies meltdown on Twitter; it will be up there with the leftist fallout after Trump was elected. :D

    "Hooray, women being denied proper medical care!1!"

    :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    January wrote: »
    I feel ill. 25th of May confirmed. Let's do this.

    I hear you.

    I just want it to be over and passed. I won't be celebrating, life will just go on.

    If it doesn't pass though, while life will go on, I will be devastated absolutely devastated.

    The personal experiences told on the In Her Shoes...that we will continue forcing our women to travel to access medical care it's wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    I really hope the referendum is defeated so I sit back and watch the leftist loonies meltdown on Twitter; it will be up there with the leftist fallout after Trump was elected.
    You hope to take pleasure from social media comments from people of the opposite view to you while Irish women continue to suffer. Christ.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    You hope to take pleasure from social media comments from people of the opposite view to you while Irish women continue to suffer. Christ.

    I don't know which is nastier - being a sociopath and thus incapable of feeling empathy for other people, or thinking it is clever and funny to pretend to be a sociopath.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    B0jangles wrote: »
    I don't know which is nastier - being a sociopath and thus incapable of feeling empathy for other people, or thinking it is clever and funny to pretend to be a sociopath.

    I was just pretending to be a misogynist to trigger all the wimmens because I find that so funny because I am a misogynist.

    Wait, no...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 922 ✭✭✭crustybla


    david75 wrote: »
    The same three people banned from the thread thanking his posts. And they’ve been banned from the others also apart from the one in the Christianity forum.

    Work from there.

    Spent an entertaining couple of hours last night perusing said forum. 'Nuff said.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭_Dara_


    I’m relieved that we have a date. I just want it to be decided at this point, come what may.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,046 ✭✭✭Berserker


    The only action she's promised is to tear down Iona style posters which will undoubtedly show a chopped up 18 week aborted fetus when they begin to panic closer to the vote.

    Would it be possible for your wife to find something better to do with her spare time? Also, I think this referendum is going to be very, very close. I thought it'd be a landslide when it was first announced but I'm not so sure now.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 233 ✭✭Hooks Golf Handicap


    So it's 2 months from now.
    Nice and short. Good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,390 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    I am registered to vote at my previous address can anyone tell me how I go about updating this info please.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    I am registered to vote at my previous address can anyone tell me how I go about updating this info please.

    Checktheregister.ie you can sort that out quickly


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