The 8th Amendment Part 2 - Mod Warning in OP

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DubInMeath wrote: »

Until the next technological miricle then, slan

Your own words have no meaning for you. You clearly do not stand by what you say! Slan

DubInMeath wrote: »

But I'm sure it'll be used as an example of how all the evil pro murder crowd are bullying the poor pro choice people off the thread.

Oldtree

crustybla wrote: »

Less cutehoorism and more immature idiocy. Leave him to it, he obviously needs a hobby. Bless.:pac:

I didn't know hobbies were a thing under rocks!

Oldtree

Oldtree wrote: »

Your own words have no meaning for you. You clearly do not stand by what you say! Slan

Typo sorry.

Oldtree

DubInMeath wrote: »

Typo sorry.

Probably not your first!

Oldtree

Oldtree wrote: »

Probably not your first!

No and won't be the last.

kylith

Da Boss wrote: »

Yes I got banned as you know and somehow this account logged in . I’m not very good with technology but fair being fair I suppose I’ll scrap this account and go back to ismisejack. I’m just not good at technology, I’ll go so you’ll hear no more of me

So why are you replying to yourself?

NuMarvel

Berserker wrote: »

Oh, I thought it would pass by a clear majority, 70% plus.

Gods, no. Divorce barely scrapped by. Freedom to travel for an abortion got 62%. Marriage equality got the same. Referendums on social issues don't generate massive wins like that.

I think there's a good chance it will pass, but I'm not expecting anything over 55%. Still a clear win, but not a landslide.

Berserker

NuMarvel wrote: »

Gods, no. Divorce barely scrapped by. Freedom to travel for an abortion got 62%. Marriage equality got the same. Referendums on social issues don't generate massive wins like that.

I think there's a good chance it will pass, but I'm not expecting anything over 55%. Still a clear win, but not a landslide.

Interesting, I thought that Ireland had changed massively in that regard. I moved here in the 1980s and I couldn't possible think of gay marriage being accepted by the masses. I would have thought that this referendum was going to be more of the same.

NuMarvel

Berserker wrote: »

Interesting, I thought that Ireland had changed massively in that regard. I moved here in the 1980s and I couldn't possible think of gay marriage being accepted by the masses. I would have thought that this referendum was going to be more of the same.

It would have been unthinkable in the 80s. Even so, that referendum still had a sizable No vote; nearly 40%. And that was about a pretty simple matter. This referendum is about a far more complex issue, and gets into areas like ethics, medicine, science, and so on.

frag420

Strong rumours that Ismisejack/da bass was seen being flogged out the back of the Iona Inst by Davey Quinn early this morning for making such a blatant mistake in his postings on Boards...apparently multiple accounts was covered in the first chapter of Daveys book on trolling for the modern man!!

we wish you both a speedy recovery!

baylah17

frag420 wrote: »

we wish you both a speedy recovery!

Do we fuk!:D:D

erica74

How is it that the spokesperson for the antichoice campaign can make statements like the Irish public are against abortion when the polls show that it is simply not true? Surely that's just classed as a downright lie?

Beta Ray Bill

Can I ask, how much time does it take to go over to the UK and have an Abortion?

Simon Coveney has stated there will be a 72 hour pause period between are person asking for an abortion and the procedure actually being carried out.
He also wanted a scan if the gestation period was greater than 9 weeks (but that's been fooked out)

The question is, with the 72 hour waiting period, is it just easier to go to the UK?

Edward M

grahambo wrote: »

Can I ask, how much time does it take to go over to the UK and have an Abortion?

Simon Coveney has stated there will be a 72 hour pause period between are person asking for an abortion and the procedure actually being carried out.
He also wanted a scan if the gestation period was greater than 9 weeks (but that's been fooked out)

The question is, with the 72 hour waiting period, is it just easier to go to the UK?

Hardly, but its certainly a lot more inconvenient not to mention the health risks and the cost.

Mr. CooL ICE

Faster? Probably. Easier? Absolutely no way.

amdublin

grahambo wrote: »

The question is, with the 72 hour waiting period, is it just easier to go to the UK?

I don't think so. What are your thoughts?

Off the top of my head:
Book flights
Book accommodation if needed/staying overnight
(They need to be paid obv)
Get to airport, hour or 2 hours before check in
Fly to a different country
Make way (train? Bus? Taxi) to clinic
Couple of hours in clinic...im guessing
Fly home as pains and cramps are starting. Maybe bleeding.
Look at other people on plane and wonder are they wondering why you as are in pain
Make way home from airport and get into your own bed with hot water bottle

nozzferrahhtoo

^ And take time off work of course! And of course that is all assuming you are willing or physically and mentally capable of doing the entire thing alone. If you are not, which many people are not, then you have to double most of the things in that list too.

Edward M

Experiences every day brings a different realisation as you go along while thinking on this issue.
If we weren't coming to a referendum on the issue, a part of the current rape trial wouldn't click with me.
I'm not commenting on that trial result here, just thinking on the events.
Nights like that happen all the time I suppose innocently, one thing can lead to another and everyone can go home happily, girl gets up next day, maybe not having full memory of the incident, or even if she has, hungover, go to work or just spend time recovering.
A few weeks later she discovers, Jesus, I'm pregnant, o fcuk, what can I do now?
My sympathy lies with her, if she wants to terminate that pregnancy.
Wouldn't i be a heartless bastard if I said no, you must have that baby, you slut, you had your fun, now suffer the consequences or fcuk off to england, let the blood be on their hands if you want to have an abortion, its grand if you do it there but not in my country.
I've copped on a bit I think.

Beta Ray Bill

amdublin wrote: »

I don't think so. What are your thoughts?

Off the top of my head:
Book flights
Book accommodation if needed/staying overnight
(They need to be paid obv)
Get to airport, hour or 2 hours before check in
Fly to a different country
Make way (train? Bus? Taxi) to clinic
Couple of hours in clinic...im guessing
Fly home as pains and cramps are starting. Maybe bleeding.
Look at other people on plane and wonder are they wondering why you as are in pain
Make way home from airport and get into your own bed with hot water bottle

I know very little about the logistical piece of the process if I'm honest.
Like do you need to ring ahead and book or just arrive?

So is the 72 hour pause there to stop more liberal laws coming into place in the future? (That's how it looks to me)
Coveney says he's pro-choice but I get the feeling deep down he's not, or has reservations (which a lot of people have in fairness).
I suppose he has to think about votes in the next election.

If the Pro-Choice win, then I think the process that should be in place should be as fast and stream lined and simple as possible.
You shouldn't have to fill out hundreds of forms or have a huge mental assessment or any of that kind of thing.

You should just be able to walk into a clinic up to 12 weeks and have one, and that's it.

January

grahambo wrote: »

I know very little about the logistical piece of the process if I'm honest.
Like do you need to ring ahead and book or just arrive?

So is the 72 hour pause there to stop more liberal laws coming into place in the future? (That's how it looks to me)
Coveney says he's pro-choice but I get the feeling deep down he's not, or has reservations (which a lot of people have in fairness).
I suppose he has to think about votes in the next election.

If the Pro-Choice win, then I think the process that should be in place should be as fast and stream lined and simple as possible.
You shouldn't have to fill out hundreds of forms or have a huge mental assessment or any of that kind of thing.

You should just be able to walk into a clinic up to 12 weeks and have one, and that's it.

You have to book it. You can't just arrive over there and demand an abortion (hmm)

volchitsa

grahambo wrote: »

I know very little about the logistical piece of the process if I'm honest.
Like do you need to ring ahead and book or just arrive?

So is the 72 hour pause there to stop more liberal laws coming into place in the future? (That's how it looks to me)
Coveney says he's pro-choice but I get the feeling deep down he's not, or has reservations (which a lot of people have in fairness).
I suppose he has to think about votes in the next election.

If the Pro-Choice win, then I think the process that should be in place should be as fast and stream lined and simple as possible.
You shouldn't have to fill out hundreds of forms or have a huge mental assessment or any of that kind of thing.

You should just be able to walk into a clinic up to 12 weeks and have one, and that's it.

No it's a medical procedure which may also require anaesthesia depending on the term of gestation. It also requires a scan and possibly other tests to ensure that the termination can be carried out safely.

Just as an example, imagine a woman whose periods have stopped due to some other problem like a hormonal problem or just stress, or even very occasionally ovarian tumour or some other serious illness. They can't just take her word for it, if something went wrong. So checks are required before the procedure itself, which means a woman can't just rock up and get it done, especially not if coming from Ireland as her medical file won't be available in the UK.

I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post by the way.

January

volchitsa wrote: »

No it's a medical procedure which may also require anaesthesia depending on the term of gestation. It also requires a scan and possibly other tests to ensure that the termination can be carried out safely.

Just as an example, imagine a woman whose periods have stopped due to some other problem like a hormonal problem or just stress, or even very occasionally ovarian tumour or some other serious illness. They can't just take her word for it, if something went wrong. So checks are required before the procedure itself, which means a woman can't just rock up and get it done, especially not if coming from Ireland as her medical file won't be available in the UK.

I don't necessarily disagree with the rest of your post by the way.

I haven't had a period in two years if I were to get pregnant now there'd be definite uncertainty about my dates so would need further testing. I reckon if abortion were legal here and I went to a GP to request an abortion I'd have to have a whole host of tests before it was allowed.

amdublin

Edward M wrote: »

Experiences every day brings a different realisation as you go along while thinking on this issue.
If we weren't coming to a referendum on the issue, a part of the current rape trial wouldn't click with me.
I'm not commenting on that trial result here, just thinking on the events.
Nights like that happen all the time I suppose innocently, one thing can lead to another and everyone can go home happily, girl gets up next day, maybe not having full memory of the incident, or even if she has, hungover, go to work or just spend time recovering.
A few weeks later she discovers, Jesus, I'm pregnant, o fcuk, what can I do now?
My sympathy lies with her, if she wants to terminate that pregnancy.
Wouldn't i be a heartless bastard if I said no, you must have that baby, you slut, you had your fun, now suffer the consequences or fcuk off to england, let the blood be on their hands if you want to have an abortion, its grand if you do it there but not in my country.
I've copped on a bit I think.

This is a good example of one scenario that can happen in real life. Why would I or you want to force someone who didn't plan a pregnancy, who maybe can't afford a pregnancy and a baby/child for the next two decades. Both mum and baby might struggle through life. All because something happened one night.

How as a caring compassionate human being could I think that is ok to insist that woman carried the baby and delivers it. And if she really doesn't want to have a baby "give it up for adoption" after carrying it for 9 months. Imagine all the questions from her friends and colleagues. "Where is your baby? And then imagine 20 years later the grown up child appears in her door step "why did you give me away mammy?

Further re. Adoption
Haven't we heard enough stories of anguish from women in the previous generations who gave up their babies and what they went though for the rest of their life.

And why finally when all other avenues have been exhausted why does our country think it's ok to then finally say ok go have your abortion, but don't think you are doing it here girlio, oh no away with you to England.

Am not saying abortion is the perfect answer or the right option for everyone. But it is there as a choice for women now (albeit in a different country). Let's be adult and have it as a choice for women in our own country.

And let's support and trust women to make the decision for what is right for them.

Neyite

grahambo wrote: »

The question is, with the 72 hour waiting period, is it just easier to go to the UK?

If you live in Dublin perhaps travelling to the UK is easier. From the west of Ireland though, bus services to an airport are poor, and while Knock and Shannon are nearer than Dublin, they've got limited flight options.

Where I live, going on holiday last year ex Dublin required us to make our way to the airport hours and hours earlier. It's a three hour drive, plus you need your 2 hrs buffer at the airport for check-in and clearing security gate. Then the extra time it takes to get to park the car in the car parks.

Or I could drive an hour to a nearby town and get a bus to the airport, which would then take 3 hrs.

Then on the way back, that woman is in pain, bleeding, has to do the journey back. Travel from the hotel to the UK airport, check in, fly to Ireland, get to transport, and have hours of a car journey ahead of her when she shouldn't have to and when she should really be resting.

pleas advice

grahambo wrote: »

You should just be able to walk into a clinic up to 12 weeks and have one, and that's it.

On demand, like?

volchitsa

pleas advice wrote: »

On demand, like?

As has been pointed out, that doesn't happen anywhere.

Another reason to dump that stupid phrase.

Oldtree

volchitsa wrote: »

As has been pointed out, that doesn't happen anywhere.

Another reason to dump that stupid phrase.

They are always standing by, ready to insert the catchphrase quip, to try and put any sort of negative slant on any aspect.....

pleas advice

Oldtree wrote: »

They are always standing by, ready to insert the catchphrase quip, to try and put any sort of negative slant on any aspect.....

Not always, haven't been near this thread in a few days. The only negative slant on that phrase is coming from the pro choice side.

captbarnacles

pleas advice wrote: »

Not always, haven't been near this thread in a few days. The only negative slant on that phrase is coming from the pro choice side.

LOL!

On a serious note I was less strongly pro-choice until my wife was pregnant with our first child. You cannot make someone endure that when they do not want to. No way.

baylah17

pleas advice wrote: »

Not always, haven't been near this thread in a few days. The only negative slant on that phrase is coming from the pro choice side.

Eh..No.
Since it is only the anti choice anti woman side who use that expression!