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Belfast rape trial - all 4 found not guilty Mod Note post one

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  • #422
    SAMTALK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭SAMTALK


    py2006 wrote: »
    Guys in their position and more so footballers, boybands and movie stars have women throwing themselves at them. You can't blame young blokes for taken advantage (perhaps poor choice of word) of the situation. High fiving each other. Its just blokes being blokes.

    However, today's climate may change that.

    Wow...
    I would like to think I raised my son to have more respect for women than this


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  • #424
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Mr.H wrote: »
    I didnt say she made a false accusation. In fact thats what my argument is about.

    I said I hope it wasnt a false accusation because if it was it is worse than the crime IMO



    Great attitude.

    And what about the other lads??

    So you'd be happier that a rapist walked free than an innocent person walking free :confused:


  • #425
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    ....... wrote: »
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    Calling you a name is the same as claiming you are a rapist????????????????

    Yea ok


  • #426
    BoJack Horseman
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    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    Who said that they are false

    A jury of their peers.


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  • #427
    py2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,845 ✭✭✭py2006


    SAMTALK wrote: »
    Wow...
    I would like to think I raised my son to have more respect for women than this

    Yea, it is nasty! It isn't something I'd personally say.


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  • #429
    Mr.H
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    So you'd be happier that a rapist walked free than an innocent person walking free :confused:

    :eek:

    wow. Where did I say that exactly?? In fact I have said much worse about what I would do to rapists. So take your lies elsewhere


  • #430
    Doltanian
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Doltanian


    I'm delighted for the lads and it was a total disgrace that she was ever taken seriously. Louise O'Neill and the other feminists must be disgusted with themselves today.


  • #431
    Christy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Mr.H wrote: »
    I didnt say she made a false accusation. In fact thats what my argument is about.

    I said I hope it wasnt a false accusation because if it was it is worse than the crime IMO



    Great attitude.

    And what about the other lads??

    You said that they have been Falsely accused of a crime. I see little evidence of this. There was not enough evidence to convict. I will not assume they committed the crime but I will also not assume that she misrepresented the night (intentionally or not). We have a we don't know.


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  • #432
    py2006
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    Doltanian wrote: »
    I'm delighted for the lads and it was a total disgrace that she was ever taken seriously. Louise O'Neill and the other feminists must disgusted with themselves today.

    Nope, they are disgusted with the legal system


  • #433
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    ....... wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Well what if I called you a kiddy fiddlers?

    What if I said I found you on facebook and I know for a fact you touch kids??

    Surely there is nothing wrong with "being called names"


  • #434
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Mr.H wrote: »
    :eek:

    wow. Where did I say that exactly?? In fact I have said much worse about what I would do to rapists. So take your lies elsewhere

    You said you hoped she had been raped rather than lied about it

    If she was raped a victim has had no justice and a rapist is walking free

    How is that better than an innocent person not being convicted?


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  • #436
    Greysquirel09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 96 ✭✭Greysquirel09


    SAMTALK wrote: »
    Wow...
    I would like to think I raised my son to have more respect for women than this

    And one might hope their daughter has more respect for herself.


  • #437
    Sidebaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭Sidebaro


    Mr.H wrote:
    The made up crime yes is worse because there was no crime committed!!

    It just seems that a physical and psychological trauma would be worse than just a psychological one? Let's just say that counselling can undo the psychological trauma, what is your opinion on the rape victims that never seek help in that fashion? Are they better off than somebody falsely accused? If so, how?


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  • #439
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,108 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    instead of #ibelieveher it should be #lockherup
    She's ruined those guys' careers, with false accusations.
    They've been found innocent by a jury of their peers. But yet in the eyes of some mouthbreathers they are still guilty.

    She's done more to harm genuine victims of rape than anyone outside of actual rape perpetrators.


  • #440
    captbarnacles
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    Christy42 wrote: »
    You said that they have been Falsely accused of a crime. I see little evidence of this. There was not enough evidence to convict. I will not assume they committed the crime but I will also not assume that she misrepresented the night (intentionally or not). We have a we don't know.

    Wildly different accounts of what happened from each defendant but enough confusion that the jury had no clear idea what happened.


  • #441
    meeeeh
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    ligerdub wrote: »
    No matter the outcome here, it was always going to be spun in a way which tries to spin men as deviants and aggressive, and the standard misogyny line. Can we move on from this sort of facile tactic?

    What ever about the rest but if the 3 of them can't be accused of misogyny I don't know who can. It doesn't make them guilty but they do come accross as entitled scum.


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  • #442
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,714 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I know the whatapp group text would be considered distasteful and wouldn't be y thing but I do know guys who'd be into things similar but I also know women one in particular who'd be into that kind of thing.


  • #443
    Mutant z
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    They should be well within their rights to sue for defamation of character and the horrible ordeal they have been put through.


  • #444
    Mr.H
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    Christy42 wrote: »
    You said that they have been Falsely accused of a crime. I see little evidence of this. There was not enough evidence to convict. I will not assume they committed the crime but I will also not assume that she misrepresented the night (intentionally or not). We have a we don't know.

    No I didnt

    Try re-reading the posts again.

    I said I hoped she didnt make false accusations but I never once said she did make false accusation. I may have said it in the "royal she" as in talking about the difference between being accused or being raped.

    I hope this wasnt a false accusation. But they are 100% innocent regardless


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  • #446
    eviltwin
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    Greysquirel09 wrote: »
    And one might hope their daughter has more respect for herself.

    Why is having casual sex seen as not having respect for oneself?


  • #447
    Mr.H
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,861 ✭✭✭Mr.H


    eviltwin wrote: »
    You said you hoped she had been raped rather than lied about it

    If she was raped a victim has had no justice and a rapist is walking free

    How is that better than an innocent person not being convicted?

    your making stuff up

    I said i hope she thought she was raped

    Not I hope she was raped.

    typical around here though:rolleyes:


  • #448
    BPKS
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    Leonidas Important Blouse wrote: »
    They may not be guilty of rape, but they haven't come out of this looking good.

    I would be ashamed of my life if any of them was my son or brother. We certainly got an insight into the sordid way they conduct themselves and view women. Any woman getting involved with them after this must be mad.

    A few years ago, a woman came forward and reported how she had a consensual threesome with two Irish rugby players she met on Grafton Street as she was on her way home from a night out.

    Didnt stop them having partners now who do not appear to be mad.


  • #449
    Shurimgreat
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    Aegir wrote: »
    I think the verdict is correct. It was basically a 1 v 4 argument that was never going to pass in a court of law. So yes, they aren’t guilty.

    Innocent would imply these lads are angels and they aren’t. The way they treated this girl was shocking and they should be ashamed of themselves.

    Not guilty of rape, but guilty of being sleezy dirty scumbags.

    In my opinion of course, but then, I have a daughter and if this ever happened to her, I would not be relying on the law courts to sort it out.

    Very one sided view. The jury took the view that it was consensual and not forced.

    The lesson for women here is not to get semi unconscious drunk and if so be careful of the male company you hang out with. There can be a fine line between rape and consensual drunken sex a lot of the time but the line is there none the less.

    But there was no real evidence she was restrained or forced into sex and most independent witnesses support.


  • #450
    torqtorq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭torqtorq


    kingtiger wrote: »
    he deleted it :)

    lucky I snipped it


    <snip>

    The irony of the fact that he is using class to have a go at these boys yet she is actually from an upper-class will-to-do background, one were daughter follows father in the same profession.


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  • #451
    ELM327
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    ....... wrote: »
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    11 men and women decided the men were innocent.
    The woman's story had more holes in it than swiss cheese. This case should never have come to trial.


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