Ireland to consider expelling Russian diplomats

Jacko753 · 27-03-2018 02:03PM

A quote from a former US soldier from the Iraq war about the elite "Their power lies only in their ability to convince us that war is in our best interests"

gandalf · 27-03-2018 02:15PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

"DS Nick Bailey called his own experience “surreal” but added: “I want people to focus on the investigation – not the police officer who was unfortunate enough to be caught up in it.”

He continued: “I understand why there is attention on me, but all I have done is represent every police officer who goes out there every day and puts their life at risk.”

His supervisor is using I and me a lot for someone who wasn't affected.

You are really grasping at straws now. See below.

Today, (Thursday 22 March), Chief Constable Kier Pritchard read the below statements on behalf of Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey and his wife Sarah, during a press conference held at Salisbury District Hospital. CC Pritchard also read a statement on behalf of the Force - this is also included below.

https://www.wiltshire.police.uk/article/1809/Statements-from-Detective-Sergeant-Nick-Bailey-his-wife-Sarah-and-Chief-Constable-Kier-Pritchard-following-DS-Bailey-s-release-from-hospital

ArchXStanton · 27-03-2018 02:25PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If what Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria et al got from US/EU is democracy, they can keep it.

Democracy and the EU shouldn't even be in the same sentence

Cheerful Spring · 27-03-2018 03:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some lunatic was on Morning Ireland this morning saying that while Putin is undoubtedly a grade A superstar bastard in every respect [OK, my rough translation!] evidence for direct state complicity wasn't exactly very strong. Huh, evidence. In what century is that guy living?

PS: Remember the universal "respectable" consensus to justify the US invasion of Iraq in 2003, a consensus based upon a huge lie from the US and British governments? "There are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq".

Be wary of the spin from "respectable" media and political sources - always.

The majority of Irish people are brainwashed or just not informed enough, they state opinions based on what they hear on Television and radio. This will not change. Russia is not the only country on earth that can make nerve agents.

s7ryf3925pivug · 27-03-2018 03:12PM

Glad we went ahead and did this. Multiple reasons, not least of which is that relations with the UK are particularly important right now, with the possibility of brexit related issues becoming problematic.

Jacko753 · 27-03-2018 03:14PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

The majority of Irish people are brainwashed or just not informed enough, they state opinions based on what they hear on Television and radio. This will not change. Russia is not the only country on earth that can make nerve agents.

And anything they hear that's not on television or radio is "propaganda"

Cheerful Spring · 27-03-2018 03:19PM

Jacko753 wrote: »

And anything they hear that's not on television or radio is "propaganda"

150 million people in Russia there not all fans of Putin. There could be groups inside Russia did this to bring on a new cold war or bring down Putin. Still have not got any information who was behind this attack and how they got this nerve agent into the UK.

topper75 · 27-03-2018 03:50PM

What about that crazy third option: We keep the heck out of this?

Doesn't mean I like or dislike Putin. It means simply that this may not be our business.

ArchXStanton · 27-03-2018 03:54PM

topper75 wrote: »

What about that crazy third option: We keep the heck out of this?

Doesn't mean I like or dislike Putin. It means simply that this may not be our business.

Just Leo trying to play Billy big balls on the world stage and keeping his master's in Brussels happy

Cheerful Spring · 27-03-2018 04:14PM

topper75 wrote: »

What about that crazy third option: We keep the heck out of this?

Doesn't mean I like or dislike Putin. It means simply that this may not be our business.

In a hot war, we don't want Russia missiles falling here. We should stay out of this.

Mumha · 27-03-2018 04:20PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Could you point out where I said that?? Or is this another post that is becoming more and more common on Boards, spouting nonsense, and claiming something that has never been said.

Yay for democracy. One person, one vote. Anyone know when the next European referendum is? And which way have we to vote so they don't make us vote a second time, again??

This is not an either/or, so your attacks on western democracies puts you clearly with Putin.

At least in an EU Referendum there is the probability of an actual genuine vote, unlike your pal Vlad's fixing of his elections.

Harry Palmr · 27-03-2018 04:22PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

In a hot war, we don't want Russia missiles falling here. We should stay out of this.

Like that would make any difference!

Mumha · 27-03-2018 04:29PM

Jacko753 wrote: »

What makes Putin/Russia any worse than the US and EU? If you look at it from a statistical point of view the US and EU have caused far more death and destruction around the world than Russia has.

But the media portray it differently, sit down and read the facts from an outside point of view and you might have a different perception.

You're missing the point entirely. No one is suggesting one side is whiter than white when it comes to the middle east, for example.

However there is a continual deflection by the same old few here, presumably purposefully, from the fact that Putin is attacking Western democracies, in an effort to destabilise them, and install totalitarian regimes where possible. He wants to break up the EU, with the eventual aim of re-colonising former Soviet Bloc republics. Poland is in trouble, Hungary is run by fascists and Crimea isn't the end of his expansionist plans.

Skedaddle · 27-03-2018 04:30PM

We'd be fecked one way or the other in a hot nuclear war. Annoying the Russians isn't really going to make much difference.

Mumha · 27-03-2018 04:33PM

topper75 wrote: »

What about that crazy third option: We keep the heck out of this?

Doesn't mean I like or dislike Putin. It means simply that this may not be our business.

It is our business in that Putin is trying to destabilise western democracies (us too), but please, carry on with your head in the sand.

Skylinehead · 27-03-2018 04:35PM

Jacko753 wrote: »

What makes Putin/Russia any worse than the US and EU? If you look at it from a statistical point of view the US and EU have caused far more death and destruction around the world than Russia has.

The EU? Source please.

ArchXStanton · 27-03-2018 04:38PM

Mumha wrote: »

This is not an either/or, so your attacks on western democracies puts you clearly with Putin.

At least in an EU Referendum there is the probability of an actual genuine vote, unlike your pal Vlad's fixing of his elections.

Genuine vote or not,you'll be made vote again if it's not the desired answer the EU wants

https://goo.gl/images/nBvS5T

Franz Von Peppercorn · 27-03-2018 04:40PM

Mumha wrote: »

You're missing the point entirely. No one is suggesting one side is whiter than white when it comes to the middle east, for example.

However there is a continual deflection by the same old few here, presumably purposefully, from the fact that Putin is attacking Western democracies, in an effort to destabilise them, and install totalitarian regimes where possible. He wants to break up the EU, with the eventual aim of re-colonising former Soviet Bloc republics. Poland is in trouble, Hungary is run by fascists and Crimea isn't the end of his expansionist plans.

Actually that’s stuff and nonsense. The polish regime may be right wing but it is pro NATO and anti Russian. Hungary is also anti Russian.

And Crimea is probably the limit of his ambitions.

The supposed interference in democracies is supposedly a few tweets and a news channel people can choose to watch or not - in short democratic discourse.

Unlike the USSR which did have a planned world global hegemony, modern Russia does not. The neo conservatives do of course.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 27-03-2018 04:41PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

The EU? Source please.

Well, members of perhaps. The Libyan fiasco was French driven.

baylah17 · 27-03-2018 04:43PM

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Mumha wrote: »

You're missing the point entirely. No one is suggesting one side is whiter than white when it comes to the middle east, for example.

However there is a continual deflection by the same old few here, presumably purposefully, from the fact that Putin is attacking Western democracies, in an effort to destabilise them, and install totalitarian regimes where possible. He wants to break up the EU, with the eventual aim of re-colonising former Soviet Bloc republics. Poland is in trouble, Hungary is run by fascists and Crimea isn't the end of his expansionist plans.

Actually that’s stuff and nonsense. The polish regime may be right wing but it is pro NATO and anti Russian. Hungary is also anti Russian.

And Crimea is probably the limit of his ambitions.

The supposed interference in democracies is supposedly a few tweets and a news channel people can choose to watch or not - in short democratic discourse.

Unlike the USSR which did have a planned world global hegemony, modern Russia does not. The neo conservatives do of course.

At last
Something to make me laugh near the end of a tough day
You should audition for the laughter lounge

weldoninhio · 27-03-2018 04:44PM

Mumha wrote: »

This is not an either/or, so your attacks on western democracies puts you clearly with Putin.

At least in an EU Referendum there is the probability of an actual genuine vote, unlike your pal Vlad's fixing of his elections.

Like that time we voted no to Lisbon and no to Nice?? And were told, no, wrong answer, go again. It might be a genuine vote, but we'll keep having genuine votes until we vote the right way.

weldoninhio · 27-03-2018 04:45PM

Mumha wrote: »

You're missing the point entirely. No one is suggesting one side is whiter than white when it comes to the middle east, for example.

However there is a continual deflection by the same old few here, presumably purposefully, from the fact that Putin is attacking Western democracies, in an effort to destabilise them, and install totalitarian regimes where possible. He wants to break up the EU, with the eventual aim of re-colonising former Soviet Bloc republics. Poland is in trouble, Hungary is run by fascists and Crimea isn't the end of his expansionist plans.

So waiting for the independent chemical testing agency to give conclusive results rather than relying on UK hearsay is deflection now?? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Mumha · 27-03-2018 04:49PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Genuine vote or not,you'll be made vote again if it's not the desired answer the EU wants

https://goo.gl/images/nBvS5T

And you can always vote No again. This isn't Russia !!!

Zebra3 · 27-03-2018 04:51PM

Varadkar making a bigger deal over something with no evidence and nothing to do with us than British “intelligence” services asking the UVF to murder our then Taoiseach.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 27-03-2018 04:51PM

baylah17 wrote: »

At last
Something to make me laugh near the end of a tough day
You should audition for the laughter lounge

That’s not a very cerebral post.

Feel free at any time to come back and argue the points.

weldoninhio · 27-03-2018 04:55PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Varadkar making a bigger deal over something with no evidence and nothing to do with us than British “intelligence” services asking the UVF to murder our then Taoiseach.

Needs something to deflect from the news his spin unit is dead in the water.

Auguste Comte · 27-03-2018 04:56PM

I wonder did Vlad have to call Leo to "check on the progress" of the planning for the new "accommodation block" at the embassy?

ArchXStanton · 27-03-2018 05:01PM

Mumha wrote: »

And you can always vote No again. This isn't Russia !!!

Eh no actually,once the EU gets the result it wants that's the matter finished,pretty dubious democracy...best out of three anyone

Jacko753 · 27-03-2018 05:04PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Varadkar making a bigger deal over something with no evidence and nothing to do with us than British “intelligence” services asking the UVF to murder our then Taoiseach.

I always wondered why Haughey abandoned his Republican ideals and started sucking up to the British so suddenly.

If only Russia adopted some of Britain's tactics their diplomats wouldn't be getting expelled from Ireland.

circadian · 27-03-2018 05:07PM

Jacko753 wrote: »

I always wondered why Haughey abandoned his Republican ideals and started sucking up to the British so suddenly.

If only Russia adopted some of Britain's tactics their diplomats wouldn't be getting expelled from Ireland.

That's a strange thing to say.

Ireland to consider expelling Russian diplomats

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