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I rewatched it last night, as I thought maybe the people assassinating her character on here were right, and she insulted him.
I take on board people's views, and so I checked it out. I even took down snippets of dialogues just to have an objective view, you know, when it's written down.
- She absolutely 100% does not insult Dermot.
- There is great banter between the two for most of the program, and in the end they both say they got on well in spite of the disagreements.
- she is tongue in cheek most of the time, and Dermot gets that.
- Dermot plays the "hurt feelings" "why is she giving out to me" little boy card a lot, I think it's obviously directions from productions.
- she plays the "I'm a tough, demanding cookie" card. In fact, after the zero out of ten dialogue, she concludes "back to the drawing board D", and she checks/looks at whoever (production) is at the back of camera for reassurance. That's how that interaction ends, her checking with producers if she was bitchy enough with a goofy laugh.
- she does get narky towards the end, in particular in 3 instances :
~ colour of window frames, it's the same colour says D, but it isn't, she says, but it is, says D, little back and forward, and D gets the last word.
~ she's a bit abrupt when, after trying to convince her for the umptiethst time about the open plan, D is going on and on about it and the floor.
They have 3 tiles on the floor, she asked him to pick one, he must have gone on about his gripes a while (edited), and she says :
"D you're waffling, pick a tile".
and she tells him she likes the opposite one.
~ the stairs discussion is where she is the narkiest. He's rubbishing their choice, apparently said in an email it was excessive, and is now saying :
"Look, all the things going inside the house, they're not farmhousey.
She says : I know, maybe you need to share your vision of this farmhouse you're trying to create.
I told you, dark tiles, dark tiles in the kitchen timber...
her : are you going to bring in some hens and throw them around the place as well ?"
That's it.
That's the extent of her "bullying".
Meanwhile, D is pushing the open plan thing about 5 or 6 times on camera, and every time she says "this is not what we want", "I don't like open plan", and various explanations of why she does not like it, and how "personally", for herself, she just does not want it, there was open plan in her own house growing up and it's noisy, they want privacy, etc...
Every time she makes her point she makes it clearly and firmly, and I think this gives the perception to people on here that she's rude or bullying.
I'm a sad case but I do have a lot of that dialogue scripted if anyone would like to see, it would just take a lot of space here, while you can just re-watch the thing for yourself. Really other than what's up there it's all just stating her preferences in a respectful way.
Also this myth about Padraic being meek and having no say in this, "poor guy hasn't a hope with her", that's wrong.
He's well able and willing to speak his mind throughout, and she is listening and respectful every time he does so, like in the instance of the size of the window going to the front of the house, the types of cabinets for the kitchen, the colour of the kitchen...
There is characterization going on on the part of production, with many off camera contributions setting them up in their parts :
- she's the tough cookie, very demanding, confrontational, "war" suggestion.
- D is the poor guy who really wants to help but whose feelings get hurt.
(even though he's the one pushing his agenda intensely on 5 or 6 occasions throughout to very patient rebuttal)
- Padraic is the bumbling idiot who talks to his cows.
There are no insults, she does not treat him like rubbish.
By the time she gets a bit narkier as in, above, they know each other well and a lot of banter has already gone on, D has pushed his agenda numerous times, and she has patiently explained her point numerous times.
It is simply not fair and it is disingenuous or knee-jerk to paint her as a thundering B.0 -
Mountainsandh wrote: »I rewatched it last night, as I thought maybe the people assassinating her character on here were right, and she insulted him.
I take on board people's views, and so I checked it out. I even took down snippets of dialogues just to have an objective view, you know, when it's written down.
- She absolutely 100% does not insult Dermot.
- There is great banter between the two for most of the program, and in the end they both say they got on well in spite of the disagreements.
- she is tongue in cheek most of the time, and Dermot gets that.
- Dermot plays the "hurt feelings" "why is she giving out to me" little boy card a lot, I think it's obviously directions from productions.
- she plays the "I'm a tough, demanding cookie" card. In fact, after the zero out of ten dialogue, she concludes "back to the drawing board D", and she checks/looks at whoever (production) is at the back of camera for reassurance. That's how that interaction ends, her checking with producers if she was bitchy enough with a goofy laugh.
- she does get narky towards the end, in particular in 3 instances :
~ colour of window frames, it's the same colour says D, but it isn't, she says, but it is, says D, little back and forward, and D gets the last word.
~ she's a bit abrupt when, after trying to convince her for the umptiethst time about the open plan, D is going on and on about it and the floor.
They have 3 tiles on the floor, she asked him to pick one, he must have gone on about his gripes a while (edited), and she says :
"D you're waffling, pick a tile".
and she tells him she likes the opposite one.
~ the stairs discussion is where she is the narkiest. He's rubbishing their choice, apparently said in an email it was excessive, and is now saying :
"Look, all the things going inside the house, they're not farmhousey.
She says : I know, maybe you need to share your vision of this farmhouse you're trying to create. I told you, dark tiles, dark tiles in the kitchen timber...
her : are you going to bring in some hens and throw them around the place as well ?"
That's it.
That's the extent of her "bullying".
Meanwhile, D is pushing the open plan thing about 5 or 6 times on camera, and every time she says "this is not what we want", "I don't like open plan", and various explanations of why she does not like it, and how "personally", for herself, she just does not want it, there was open plan in her own house growing up and it's noisy, they want privacy, etc...
Every time she makes her point she makes it clearly and firmly, and I think this gives the perception to people on here that she's rude or bullying.
I'm a sad case but I do have a lot of that dialogue scripted if anyone would like to see, it would just take a lot of space here, while you can just re-watch the thing for yourself. Really other than what's up there it's all just stating her preferences in a respectful way.
Also this myth about Padraic being meek and having no say in this, "poor guy hasn't a hope with her", that's wrong.
He's well able and willing to speak his mind throughout, and she is listening and respectful every time he does so, like in the instance of the size of the window going to the front of the house, the types of cabinets for the kitchen, the colour of the kitchen...
There is characterization going on on the part of production, with many off camera contributions setting them up in their parts :
- she's the tough cookie, very demanding, confrontational, "war" suggestion.
- D is the poor guy who really wants to help but whose feelings get hurt.
(even though he's the one pushing his agenda intensely on 5 or 6 occasions throughout to very patient rebuttal)
- Padraic is the bumbling idiot who talks to his cows.
There are no insults, she does not treat him like rubbish.
By the time she gets a bit narkier as in, above, they know each other well and a lot of banter has already gone on, D has pushed his agenda numerous times, and she has patiently explained her point numerous times.
It is simply not fair and it is disingenuous or knee-jerk to paint her as a thundering B.
Maybe people who didn't like her are right and maybe your right. People have a difference of opinion.0 -
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The lengths you're going to trying to defend her, I'm beginning to think you are Katie, Mountainsandh!
Her behaviour on the show was stereotypical schoolyard bully. Passive aggressive, condescending and passed off as "sure it was just a bit of banter" or "but I was only messing". Perhaps she is just utterly oblivious to normal social interaction and thought she was being funny by belittling the professional they'd asked to work (for free) for them. Her sense of humour was well off if so. Even her mother seemed embarrassed by her behaviour!
You can be assertive and polite. Rolling your eyes dismissively at the opinion of an expert in an area you're an amateur is not a polite way to assert oneself. We really need to stop excusing such behaviour as "assertiveness" in young women on the basis of their gender as it really does them no favours (as the vast majority of social media response to this episode highlights).0 -
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The lengths you're going to trying to defend her, I'm beginning to think you are Katie, Mountainsandh!
Her behaviour on the show was stereotypical schoolyard bully. Passive aggressive, condescending and passed off as "sure it was just a bit of banter" or "but I was only messing". Perhaps she is just utterly oblivious to normal social interaction and thought she was being funny by belittling the professional they'd asked to work (for free) for them. Her sense of humour was well off if so. Even her mother seemed embarrassed by her behaviour!
You can be assertive and polite. Rolling your eyes dismissively at the opinion of an expert in an area you're an amateur is not a polite way to assert oneself. We really need to stop excusing such behaviour as "assertiveness" in young women on the basis of their gender as it really does them no favours (as the vast majority of social media response to this episode highlights).
Oh no you found me out !
:D:D
Please, just rewatch it.
She is not passive aggressive, condescending, and belittling D.
Her mother does not seem embarrassed by her, in fact she is very proud of what her daughter can achieve.
Just shed this first hand feeling you got because of the music, the production and the characters they want you to buy into, and watch it simply for the dialogue that is in it.
Her impatience at times is well matched to how pushy Dermot is. On two occasions he digs to push the open plans not once but twice in a short space of time, if anything he is sometimes the one who borderline belittles, in a "joking" manner, the couple's interests and preferences. (Chaise Longue, China, cows, closed room, stairs, tiles ...)0
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