Ireland to consider expelling Russian diplomats

Cheerful Spring · 26-03-2018 08:29PM

Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney has said Ireland will take "appropriate action" on Russian diplomats in this country in an announcement expected tomorrow.

He said we will show solidarity with our closest neighbour.

Mr Coveney said he had a security briefing this evening and he had made a decision on a course of action that he would bring to Cabinet tomorrow.

He said he wanted to brief his colleagues first before announcing the details of a course of action.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2018/0326/950179-eu-russia-diplomats/

lifeandtimes · 26-03-2018 08:43PM

Tell The Untold wrote: »

Putin loves his country and his people very much.

Why are we acting as though we’re bigger and tougher than Russia? Lol Britain is a joke at the moment and is in no position to be making threats to world powers

Have they even proved it was Russia. Yet we have these foreign terrorist who never get deported. Just get put in our prisons payed by the people they are trying too and killing.

The west is sooo angry at Putin for stopping western aggression in Ukraine and in Syria that they now make up stuff about Russia and western media of course support these lies but lies can lead to dangerous paths just like Iraq.

Glory to Russia, the best country and deals with it's royals correctly!

Your account was only set up today and you've posted in other discussions about Russia with the same stuff

Nice to have you here with us comrade Putin

When we expel the diplomats who are more than likely spying on the US and the UK from here as we are at the back door, maybe posts likes yours will disappear

Elmer Blooker · 26-03-2018 09:05PM

Let Ireland kick out a few Russian diplomats if it earns us a pat on the back for being good boys but it will mean the closing down of the Irish embassy in Moscow. It is worth noting that the Enterprise Ireland office operates out of the embassy. We're a small country and there will be a price to pay.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/trade-the-target-as-ireland-seeks-a-reset-in-relations-with-russia-1.3396716

Cee-Jay-Cee · 26-03-2018 09:10PM

There are 17 Russian diplomatic people in Ireland. How do they decide on how to expel?

My thought is that Ireland will faff about for a few weeks in the hope the whole thing dies down and everyone forgets about it.

I don’t believe we don’t have the political will or bravery to expel anyone but I hope for once we vary through in unison with the rest of Europe.

lifeandtimes · 26-03-2018 09:16PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Let Ireland kick out a few Russian diplomats if it earns us a pat on the back for being good boys but it will mean the closing down of the Irish embassy in Moscow. It is worth noting that the Enterprise Ireland office operates out of the embassy. We're a small country and there will be a price to pay.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/trade-the-target-as-ireland-seeks-a-reset-in-relations-with-russia-1.3396716

I very much doubt they will expel them all,no other country has either, just a number of them and then leave a few skeleton staff for work, there needs to be some left to help stranded Russian citizen's etc, it wouldn't be fair to leave them high and dry

Edit: I see you were talking about Moscow, point still stands just in reverse

Mumha · 26-03-2018 09:53PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Minister for Foreign Affairs Simon Coveney has said Ireland will take "appropriate action" on Russian diplomats in this country in an announcement expected tomorrow.

He said we will show solidarity with our closest neighbour.

Mr Coveney said he had a security briefing this evening and he had made a decision on a course of action that he would bring to Cabinet tomorrow.

He said he wanted to brief his colleagues first before announcing the details of a course of action.

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2018/0326/950179-eu-russia-diplomats/

Hopefully that means shutting down that new Russian building, as well as kicking some of them out. It's important we stand with and for Democracy, and with our EU friends. Anyone supporting the rooskis, is supporting a totalitarian regime.

Mumha · 26-03-2018 09:58PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

There are 17 Russian diplomatic people in Ireland. How do they decide on how to expel?

My thought is that Ireland will faff about for a few weeks in the hope the whole thing dies down and everyone forgets about it.

I don’t believe we don’t have the political will or bravery to expel anyone but I hope for once we vary through in unison with the rest of Europe.

Who knows if there are others who are operatives. This isn't just about us in Ireland, this has to be a fightback that will/must carry on to the removal of Trump and/or the 2020 US Presidential election, if he lasts that long. The western democracies need to come together and hit back hard against Putin.

Doltanian · 26-03-2018 10:05PM

Mumha wrote: »

Who knows if there are others who are operatives. This isn't just about us in Ireland, this has to be a fightback that will/must carry on to the removal of Trump and/or the 2020 US Presidential election, if he lasts that long. The western democracies need to come together and hit back hard against Putin.

You do realise that Trump and Putin stand together as a bulwark against the existential threats to Western Civilisation. They are United against Communism, Socialism, Social Democratic Movements, Labour Unions and the threat of Islamic Terrorism and the dangers of unrestricted immigration and both men share a Christian Ethos guiding their morality. The EU should be dismantled and the lies and hypocrisy of its Authoritarianism should be exposed. Teresa May is playing the Nationalistic card with Foreign enemy Russia now to dstract away from the disaster she is making of Brexit when there should be total hard Brexit. Rees-Mogg badly needs to take the reigns and do another Thatcher on the UK again. Smoke and Mirrors is the name of the game.

Harry Palmr · 26-03-2018 10:05PM

Anyone who thinks the Right Honerable Minster for the 18th century is the solution can be ignored.

Anyone who thinks the 17 accredited are the only Russian government operatives in Ireland would be rather naive.

circadian · 26-03-2018 10:11PM

Doltanian wrote: »

You do realise that Trump and Putin stand together as a bulwark against the existential threats to Western Civilisation. They are United against Communism, Socialism, Social Democratic Movements, Labour Unions and the threat of Islamic Terrorism and the dangers of unrestricted immigration and both men share a Christian Ethos guiding their morality. The EU should be dismantled and the lies and hypocrisy of its Authoritarianism should be exposed. Teresa May is playing the Nationalistic card with Foreign enemy Russia now to dstract away from the disaster she is making of Brexit when there should be total hard Brexit. Rees-Mogg badly needs to take the reigns and do another Thatcher on the UK again. Smoke and Mirrors is the name of the game.

Thanks for that.

Elmer Blooker · 26-03-2018 10:16PM

Mumha wrote: »

It's important we stand with and for Democracy, and with our EU friends.

Imagine putting democracy and EU in the same sentence.

Mumha · 26-03-2018 10:22PM

Doltanian wrote: »

You do realise that Trump and Putin stand together as a bulwark against the existential threats to Western Civilisation. They are United against Communism, Socialism, Social Democratic Movements, Labour Unions and the threat of Islamic Terrorism and the dangers of unrestricted immigration and both men share a Christian Ethos guiding their morality. The EU should be dismantled and the lies and hypocrisy of its Authoritarianism should be exposed. Teresa May is playing the Nationalistic card with Foreign enemy Russia now to dstract away from the disaster she is making of Brexit when there should be total hard Brexit. Rees-Mogg badly needs to take the reigns and do another Thatcher on the UK again. Smoke and Mirrors is the name of the game.

Donnie and Vlad are just common criminals who caught an unsuspecting public unawares. Totalitarianism is the great evil in this world and now that democracies now understand the enemy, the fightback has begun.

Mumha · 26-03-2018 10:24PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Imagine putting democracy and EU in the same sentence.

Indeed, it took a dictator in Russia attempting to overthrow democracy in the US, with a patsy, to make us realise how good the EU is.

bebeman · 26-03-2018 10:47PM

We are supposed to be Neutral, stay out of this nonsense until we get a few answers to simple questions.
1, Whats the condition of Sergei and Yulia Skripal,are they dead or back to normal?
2,Why does the UK government refuse the Russian request to share the evidence?
3,How can you defend against an accusation if you are refused access to evidence that apparently points to your guilt?
4, Whats the story with the presumption of innocence and of due process?
No end of questions to ask when you take a few minutes to think about what we have been told, all smells a bit fishy.
Leo and Simon are thinking of a nice job in the EU and not whats in Irelands best interests, stay out of this until proof is presented.

lifeandtimes · 26-03-2018 10:55PM

bebeman wrote: »

We are supposed to be Neutral, stay out of this nonsense until we get a few answers to simple questions.
1, Whats the condition of Sergei and Yulia Skripal,are they dead or back to normal?

Not sure yet

bebeman wrote: »

2,Why does the UK government refuse the Russian request to share the evidence?

It's been sent for independent testing

bebeman wrote: »

3,How can you defend against an accusation if you are refused access to evidence that apparently points to your guilt?

See above

bebeman wrote: »

4, Whats the story with the presumption of innocence and of due process?

Well to be fair it's either Russia or someone who the Russians sold the nerve agent too but no one else needs to attempt to kill a former Soviet spy so don't play dumb, also you can hardly put the country of Russia or even putin on trial

gandalf · 26-03-2018 11:07PM

Wow really enjoying the toys being thrown out of the prams here by certain users and some new joiners on the expulsion news today. Can't wait to see the tantrums and sissy fits when we expel some dodgy Russian staff members ourselves tomorrow.

Fann Linn · 26-03-2018 11:08PM

Mumha wrote: »

Indeed, it took a dictator in Russia attempting to overthrow democracy in the US, with a patsy, to make us realise how good the EU is.

Wasn't so long ago that the EU admitted to threatening to 'let a bomb off in Dublin' if Ireland didn't play ball.
So much for friends.

bebeman · 26-03-2018 11:10PM

lifeandtimes wrote: »

It's been sent for independent testing
l

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure it the UN law, that a sample must be provided to the accused county (Russia) so they can test it as well, this has not been done, do you not find that strange?

Gatling · 26-03-2018 11:13PM

bebeman wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure it the UN law,

What UN law exactly

gandalf · 26-03-2018 11:13PM

bebeman wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm sure it the UN law, that a sample must be provided to the accused county (Russia) so they can test it as well, this has not been done, do you not find that strange?

Well they can't even test the urine of their athletes properly so why would we trust them with anything more substantial

bebeman · 26-03-2018 11:13PM

gandalf wrote: »

Wow really enjoying the toys being thrown out of the prams here by certain users and some new joiners on the expulsion news today. Can't wait to see the tantrums and sissy fits when we expel some dodgy Russian staff members ourselves tomorrow.

Lickspittle - a person who behaves obsequiously to those in power.
That will be the definition of Leo & Simon tomorrow if they expel Russians,

Jacko753 · 26-03-2018 11:15PM

gandalf wrote: »

Wow really enjoying the toys being thrown out of the prams here by certain users and some new joiners on the expulsion news today. Can't wait to see the tantrums and sissy fits when we expel some dodgy Russian staff members tomorrow.

We didn't expel anyone when Britain bombed Dublin and monaghan, no because Britain are actually dangerous whereas Russia are not to us that's why Fine Gael are getting so brave because there is no real threat.

Fine Gael who ordered the Gardai to end an investigation into the biggest mass murder in the States history after just 3 months, because any politicians in Ireland who speak out against Britain the UVF will mysteriously put a bomb under your car the next day.

gandalf · 26-03-2018 11:17PM

Ah deflection again.

Fann Linn · 26-03-2018 11:18PM

Yeh.

bebeman · 26-03-2018 11:19PM

Gatling wrote: »

What UN law exactly

Not UN, sorry.
UK is obliged to allow Russia to see the samples because both countries were signatories to the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).
Its this organisation
So innocent until proven guilty, dont you think?
https://www.opcw.org/chemical-weapons-convention/articles/article-ix-consultations-cooperation-and-fact-finding/

lifeandtimes · 26-03-2018 11:25PM

Jacko753 wrote: »

We didn't expel anyone when Britain bombed Dublin and monaghan, no because Britain are actually dangerous whereas Russia are not to us that's why Fine Gael are getting so brave because there is no real threat.

Fine Gael who ordered the Gardai to end an investigation into the biggest mass murder in the States history after just 3 months, because any politicians in Ireland who speak out against Britain the UVF will mysteriously put a bomb under your car the next day.

Here's this argument again

"Oh well the British did this then, why didn't we do something then"

Maybe have a chat with the Irish leaders and ask them why?

New leader knew regime really. However this is more of a statement from the west to Russia.

Putin doesn't care, he knew Russia would be identified and did it intentionally, he's testing the waters on what he can get away with. The uk leaving the EU is exactly what they want

bebeman · 26-03-2018 11:25PM

lifeandtimes wrote: »

Well to be fair it's either Russia or someone who the Russians sold the nerve agent too but no one else needs to attempt to kill a former Soviet spy

First Recorded Successful Novichok Synthesis was in 2016 – By Iran
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/first-recorded-successful-novichok-synthesis-was-in-2017-by-iran-in-cooperation-with-the-opcw/
I sure if Iran can make it there are other countries who can as well, the Russians might have been the first, like the USA with the A-Bomb.

Gatling · 26-03-2018 11:51PM

bebeman wrote: »

Not UN, sorry.
UK is obliged to allow Russia to see the samples because both countries were signatories to the Chemical Weapons Convention

Not when it comes to a criminal investigation

Mumha · 26-03-2018 11:54PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Wasn't so long ago that the EU admitted to threatening to 'let a bomb off in Dublin' if Ireland didn't play ball.
So much for friends.

And thankfully we listened.

backspin. · 27-03-2018 12:00AM

Does anyone think the British would do us a favour if Putin killed someone in Dublin?

Ireland to consider expelling Russian diplomats

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