Dairy chit chat II

visatorro · 24-03-2018 07:08PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Is halocur any good in comparison?

Hear on about biolaze tablets as well and happy with it. Never heard of parafor. Halocur works for me and I'd be very slow to move away with it. I've the same routine as Timmaay, calf drinks cow. Normally milked after 24 hours. Calved on straw.

charolais0153 · 24-03-2018 07:12PM

visatorro wrote: »

Hear on about biolaze tablets as well and happy with it. Never heard of parafor. Halocur works for me and I'd be very slow to move away with it. I've the same routine as Timmaay, calf drinks cow. Normally milked after 24 hours. Calved on straw.

Biolaze arent any good for crypto or coccidiosos

whelan2 · 24-03-2018 07:19PM

visatorro wrote: »

Hear on about biolaze tablets as well and happy with it. Never heard of parafor. Halocur works for me and I'd be very slow to move away with it. I've the same routine as Timmaay, calf drinks cow. Normally milked after 24 hours. Calved on straw.

Use halocur here too. Cows vaccinated with rotavec too. Effydral tablet and norodine treatment. Need to clean out calving sheds this week too.

visatorro · 24-03-2018 07:46PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

Biolaze arent any good for crypto or coccidiosos

In my old age and sleepless nights I watch youtubers, there's in fella in louth who got crypto last year. He said biolaze tablets worked. He said he changed brands and the new tablet did not work for cryptosporidium. So maybe different companies could give different results. I don't know. Never used it.

blackdog1 · 24-03-2018 08:53PM

Timmaay wrote:

Let nearly every calf suck this yr, haven't brought the cow in for at least 24hrs after milking, and it's worked very well until now!, alot less work and good strong calves. But yeh fair point, almost definitely pushed my luck by now, the crap March has put serious pressure on sheds here, where I'd normally expect a decent number of the drys off straw and on cubicles the milkers have hogged all them the last 3wks. Young HE calves also have almost zero fight in them when they get any sort of scour also, definitely time to move back to an AA bull!

I'd try and calve them outside of I were you. Get a good strong teat dip and bring them into the parlour and disenfectant and wipe them clean before letting them out. Start power washing and disenfecting areas starting with calving pen and work your way to calf holding area. Get a good disenfectant especially for crypto. And fill a 200 litre drum half full and throw buckets calf feeders etc into it and leave them soak for 24hrs. Put calves on parafor 3-8 days. Things will improve trust me. Need any advice on disenfectants or where to get parafor just ask guys here.

trixi2011 · 24-03-2018 08:56PM

Anyone ever feed mega fat or lac before and if so what would be the benefits ? Looking at getting more energy into diet as grass is seriously behind maxed out in the parlour and no storage for dried products in the yard any ideas on good energy sources already feeding forage mazie

blackdog1 · 24-03-2018 08:58PM

charolais0153 wrote:

Is halocur any good in comparison?

In my cases I found halacour only delayed onset of disease untill they were 21 days old. I find parafor much better because it actually fights the disease early. Big improvement here since I started rearing calves in individual pens up till 2 weeks then put them into group pens and disenfect everything and start again. Best calves I have ever had really getting excited at how they turn out as milking cows

blackdog1 · 24-03-2018 09:00PM

trixi2011 wrote:

Anyone ever feed mega fat or lac before and if so what would be the benefits ? Looking at getting more energy into diet as grass is seriously behind maxed out in the parlour and no storage for dried products in the yard any ideas on good energy sources already feeding forage mazie

Crimp wheat is great with forage maize. Can be bought for 165 a tonne but has to be pitted for 2 weeks.

trixi2011 · 24-03-2018 09:03PM

Is crimp wheat the same as caustic wheat ?

Gawddawggonnit · 24-03-2018 09:25PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

In my cases I found halacour only delayed onset of disease untill they were 21 days old. I find parafor much better because it actually fights the disease early. Big improvement here since I started rearing calves in individual pens up till 2 weeks then put them into group pens and disenfect everything and start again. Best calves I have ever had really getting excited at how they turn out as milking cows

Snap!
I keep calves, now, for two weeks in individual pens and then into auto-feeder. Very pleased and now there’s no illness in auto-feeder calves...I’m pleased.
Changed milk replacer and finally happy. Calves are fat and a shine on them. They spend the day doing the wall of death in the pens.

I’ll post a pic if I remember to take one!

Gawddawggonnit · 24-03-2018 09:34PM

trixi2011 wrote: »

Anyone ever feed mega fat or lac before and if so what would be the benefits ? Looking at getting more energy into diet as grass is seriously behind maxed out in the parlour and no storage for dried products in the yard any ideas on good energy sources already feeding forage mazie

Molasses?

Take it easy when you feed it out to start as laminitis could hit.
Water it down at first.

Timmaay · 24-03-2018 11:13PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

In my cases I found halacour only delayed onset of disease untill they were 21 days old. I find parafor much better because it actually fights the disease early. Big improvement here since I started rearing calves in individual pens up till 2 weeks then put them into group pens and disenfect everything and start again. Best calves I have ever had really getting excited at how they turn out as milking cows

Is crypto a continuous problem with yous? It's hit here the last 2 years in late March, last year it was a combination of crypto and rota, vaccinating for rota this year tho. But anyways when it hit last yr the dry cows were going out already, thankfully only hit a dozen calves and then went away, without any use of parafor or halacour. No issues this year with the 1st 70 born until about a week ago. I would hope it will fix itself quickly enough, but obviously I can't be complacent.

blackdog1 · 24-03-2018 11:20PM

Timmaay wrote:

Is crypto a continuous problem with yous? It's hit here the last 2 years in late March, last year it was a combination of crypto and rota, vaccinating for rota this year tho. But anyways when it hit last yr the dry cows were going out already, thankfully only hit a dozen calves and then went away, without any use of parafor or halacour. No issues this year with the 1st 70 born until about a week ago. I would hope it will fix itself quickly enough, but obviously I can't be complacent.

No calves are flying this year. Get the odd with Rota even though they are vaccinated but they generally just get an anti inflammatory and they're fine and drink away. Crypto I dose every calf with parafor. Costs a bit but I don't employ anyone so I can't the chance as I've very little help.

blackdog1 · 24-03-2018 11:29PM

trixi2011 wrote:

Is crimp wheat the same as caustic wheat ?

Don't think so. It's wheat that has water and an additive added to it and it ferments for 2 weeks in a pit. Great feed when combined with a forage maize. It has something like a 90% utilisation in cows. Best thing I ever fed when I was fattening bullocks.

Timmaay · 24-03-2018 11:39PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

No calves are flying this year. Get the odd with Rota even though they are vaccinated but they generally just get an anti inflammatory and they're fine and drink away. Crypto I dose every calf with parafor. Costs a bit but I don't employ anyone so I can't the chance as I've very little help.

Fair enough, dosing anything born from March onwards next year for crypto I think would be a reasonable measure here.

blackdog1 · 25-03-2018 12:07AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Snap!
I keep calves, now, for two weeks in individual pens and then into auto-feeder. Very pleased and now there’s no illness in auto-feeder calves...I’m pleased.
Changed milk replacer and finally happy. Calves are fat and a shine on them. They spend the day doing the wall of death in the pens.

I’ll post a pic if I remember to take one!

Are you using the Elvor milk replacer? did you try out the 60% skim one?

bought a few agriplastic calf pens this year ( my big investment in calf house) and absolutely love them easy to clean ,disinfect and move. Handy for me as im all year round calving so can get away with a 10 of them for the whole herd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky1kyXyt3AM

tanko · 25-03-2018 12:18AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

No calves are flying this year. Get the odd with Rota even though they are vaccinated but they generally just get an anti inflammatory and they're fine and drink away. Crypto I dose every calf with parafor. Costs a bit but I don't employ anyone so I can't the chance as I've very little help.

What age do you dose the calves with parafor at?

kevthegaff · 25-03-2018 12:58AM

Never had a bad year as this year with calves and cows, cows a little low on bcs and have lost 4, this is the strange one calves all sick with scour haven't lost one yet...

K.G. · 25-03-2018 01:35AM

Had a bad run of scour in the calves the week after the storm but ut has settled down again.obviously they must gave got cold even though they were inthe most closed in shed

stretch film · 25-03-2018 01:42AM

Timmaay wrote: »

Fair enough, dosing anything born from March onwards next year for crypto I think would be a reasonable measure here.

Would dosing anything born after tomorrow not be a better idea

stretch film · 25-03-2018 01:44AM

K.G. wrote: »

Had a bad run of scour in the calves the week after the storm but ut has settled down again.obviously they must gave got cold even though they were inthe most closed in shed

Same here.
Any calf that was bad had a touch of pneumonia with it.

Gawddawggonnit · 25-03-2018 09:29AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Are you using the Elvor milk replacer? did you try out the 60% skim one?

bought a few agriplastic calf pens this year ( my big investment in calf house) and absolutely love them easy to clean ,disinfect and move. Handy for me as im all year round calving so can get away with a 10 of them for the whole herd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky1kyXyt3AM

Those pens look the job. Are they robust?
Looks pricey!

The powder I’m using now is 61% skim and is laced with palm oil I reckon. The mixer bowl of the feeder has to be manually cleaned out twice daily because it’s own cleaning system can’t shift the oily scum...
Best product I’ve ever used. Calves are like sucklers. You can’t turn your back on them from about 2mts old because they’d go for you! Cheapest suckler cow system ever.
It’s called Neomilk. It’s for sheep and goats, not meant for calves. Pricey at €1750/t.
Probably not suitable for dairy replacements because it’s so fattening.

Gawddawggonnit · 25-03-2018 09:31AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

No calves are flying this year. Get the odd with Rota even though they are vaccinated but they generally just get an anti inflammatory and they're fine and drink away. Crypto I dose every calf with parafor. Costs a bit but I don't employ anyone so I can't the chance as I've very little help.

What anti-inflammatory do you use?

Bullocks · 25-03-2018 10:13AM

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Those pens look the job. Are they robust?
Looks pricey!

The powder I’m using now is 61% skim and is laced with palm oil I reckon. The mixer bowl of the feeder has to be manually cleaned out twice daily because it’s own cleaning system can’t shift the oily scum...
Best product I’ve ever used. Calves are like sucklers. You can’t turn your back on them from about 2mts old because they’d go for you! Cheapest suckler cow system ever.
It’s called Neomilk. It’s for sheep and goats, not meant for calves. Pricey at €1750/t.
Probably not suitable for dairy replacements because it’s so fattening.

A few calves that hadnt got colostrum here over the last few years got bottled with lamblac (I had nothing else to hand ) and they did grand on it aswell when I didnt expect them to .

wrangler · 25-03-2018 10:22AM

Bullocks wrote: »

A few calves that hadnt got colostrum here over the last few years got bottled with lamblac (I had nothing else to hand ) and they did grand on it aswell when I didnt expect them to .

Lamlac has a lot more fat in it than calf milk...it'd be a great energy boost for a new born calf.

blackdog1 · 25-03-2018 11:26AM

i use metacam. really is a fantastic drug lasts 2-3 days 1 shot under the skin. i use it on any cow that gets mastitis too.

yea those pens are pricey about 400 a piece after the first one less if you wall mount them but you can put 2 calves into them each easy if your under pressure. 1 problem is if you only have 2 or 3 together a strong calf can push them a small bit. i love the way you can move them around easy and because they are plastic they are very easy to disinfect properly.

K.G. · 25-03-2018 11:37AM

stretch film wrote: »

K.G. wrote: »

Had a bad run of scour in the calves the week after the storm but ut has settled down again.obviously they must gave got cold even though they were inthe most closed in shed

Same here.
Any calf that was bad had a touch of pneumonia with it.

Maybe you are on to something there as despite getting a massive electrilyte treatment they never squeezed up,over a week with pure liquid running out of them and at that stage the gut is damaged beyond repair

Buford T. Justice XIX · 25-03-2018 12:50PM

I think this year is out to get me.

Had 2 cows bulling last night and separated them out into a straw bedded shed. Left them off this morning and one of them was down on the road when I went to feed. It looks like her left leg is broken at the femur.

That's 5 broken legs this winter as against 1 cow in the last 20+ years with a broken leg.

FFS:(

giveitholly · 25-03-2018 12:57PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I think this year is out to get me.

Had 2 cows bulling last night and separated them out into a straw bedded shed. Left them off this morning and one of them was down on the road when I went to feed. It looks like her left leg is broken at the femur.

That's 5 broken legs this winter as against 1 cow in the last 20+ years with a broken leg.

FFS:(

That is bad luck alright

Waffletraktor · 25-03-2018 01:00PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I think this year is out to get me.

Had 2 cows bulling last night and separated them out into a straw bedded shed. Left them off this morning and one of them was down on the road when I went to feed. It looks like her left leg is broken at the femur.

That's 5 broken legs this winter as against 1 cow in the last 20+ years with a broken leg.

FFS:(

With that many could there have been a change in mineral regime causing a lack of calcium /phosphorus being re-laid down in bones once cows gets past peak ?demand?

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