Ireland to consider expelling Russian diplomats

Specialun · 23-03-2018 11:45AM

send them back if ya like but keep the tall hot Russian women

23-03-2018 11:49AM

baylah17 wrote: »

`We should boycott the World Cup, refuse to send a team.

..... oh yeah, oops, forgot:D:D:D

Or, hope that a few other nations boycott it and Ireland get to take their place.

Mark Henderson · 23-03-2018 11:50AM

This whole "anti Russian" vibe the UK government have been pushing the last few years is something a lot of Irish people i have spoke with don't want anything to do with so Varadkar needs to shut his gob and concentrate on fixing the many many problems we face within our own nation.

He'd do well to remember he fell into his position of power and hasn't got a mandate from the Irish electorate to be making these decisions.

CrankyHaus · 23-03-2018 11:51AM

Alun wrote: »

There was a recent article in the UK Times newspaper about the Russian Embassy here expanding quite considerably, out of all proportion to the number of Russians in Ireland, and that there were suspicions about them using it as some kind of base for cyber warfare etc.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/russia-has-fingers-in-all-sectors-of-irish-life-fpxlsw8x9

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/behind-the-iron-curtain-of-the-russian-embassy-in-dublin-f999sjfcr

Google "dublin russian embassy site:thetimes.co.uk" for more.

I saw it in the Sunday Times. Hard to judge the veracity as it's all unattributed 'intelligence sources'.

The Sunday Times Irish section is very good, out in front on a lot of issues. However parts of it's UK section is basically mad Colonel Blimp jingoistic tripe. One can read all sorts of guff banging the drum for wars with Iran/Russia/Johnny Foreigner Annoying Us This Week in it.

I wouldn't be surprised at the Russians taking advantage of our relative lack of security however. I'd be very interested to see more verified information on this.

ChikiChiki · 23-03-2018 11:53AM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

This whole "anti Russian" vibe the UK government have been pushing the last few years is something a lot of Irish people i have spoke with don't want anything to do with so Varadkar needs to shut his gob and concentrate on fixing the many many problems we face within our own nation.

He'd do well to remember he fell into his position of power and hasn't got a mandate from the Irish electorate to be making these decisions.

Hows the weather in St Petersburg? :pac:

Mark Henderson · 23-03-2018 11:54AM

Gatling wrote: »

Reregs love to see blocked too .

Kremlin media .

Nice deflection.

You've exposed yourself as someone who isn't interested in free speech and debating the issue. You believe in blocking peoples access to sources of information that can better enable them to make a judgement on the issue in hand.

Carry on...

Mark Henderson · 23-03-2018 11:56AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Hows the weather in St Petersburg? :pac:

Yes i'm a Kremlin bot or something, living off my ill gotten gains from Mr. Putin :rolleyes:

seamus · 23-03-2018 11:57AM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I wouldn't be surprised at the Russians taking advantage of our relative lack of security however. I'd be very interested to see more verified information on this.

As a base for cyber ops, we'd definitely be of interest as we're well connected to the US, UK & Europe.

There was a Russian spy picked up by the Gardai on a Dublin beach a few years back. He'd been scoping out the undersea cables as they come ashore.

baylah17 · 23-03-2018 11:58AM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

This whole "anti Russian" vibe the UK government have been pushing the last few years is something a lot of Irish people i have spoke with don't want anything to do with so Varadkar needs to shut his gob and concentrate on fixing the many many problems we face within our own nation.

He'd do well to remember he fell into his position of power and hasn't got a mandate from the Irish electorate to be making these decisions.

Bull
Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship and one would be reminded of the Nazi era looking at Putin, as for a mandate, consult the Constitution, the people dont elect the Taoiseach, the Dail does, and so Leo has all the mandate he requires.

baylah17 · 23-03-2018 11:58AM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

Yes i'm a Kremlin bot or something, living off my ill gotten gains from Mr. Putin :rolleyes:

Well you read like one!

baylah17 · 23-03-2018 11:59AM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

Nice deflection.

You've exposed yourself as someone who isn't interested in free speech and debating the issue. You believe in blocking peoples access to sources of information that can better enable them to make a judgement on the issue in hand.

Carry on...

Jawol Herr Doktor Geobells. :rolleyes:

Mark Henderson · 23-03-2018 12:01PM

baylah17 wrote: »

Bull
Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship and one would be reminded of the Nazi era looking at Putin, as for a mandate, consult the Constitution, the people dont elect the Taoiseach, the Dail does, and so Leo has all the mandate he requires.

You need to stop drinking the cool aid CNN the likes are selling you.

Leo has NO mandate from the Irish electorate. He is a lame duck Taoiseach.

neris · 23-03-2018 12:02PM

baylah17 wrote: »

Bull
Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship

might be but the russian people seem happy enough, they have jobs, food, an improving economy and a better lifestyle now then under yeltsin or the dreaming commies.

baylah17 · 23-03-2018 12:03PM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

You need to stop drinking the cool aid CNN the likes are selling you.

Leo has NO mandate from the Irish electorate. He is a lame duck Taoiseach.

Leo Varadkar was elected Taoiseach by the Dail in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution .
Tough shít if you dont like , but it is a fact.

seamus · 23-03-2018 12:06PM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

You need to stop drinking the cool aid CNN the likes are selling you.

Leo has NO mandate from the Irish electorate. He is a lame duck Taoiseach.

Oh, that's interesting, you actually are a sock puppet account. Here I was thinking you were just another delusional 4channer.

Why would anyone in Ireland pay any attention to CNN? Why would you even mention CNN when discussing Irish politics?

Your mask has slipped, jog on comrade.

CrankyHaus · 23-03-2018 12:08PM

seamus wrote: »

They seem pretty clear to me. If you mean "confirmed", then the Russians were given the chance to reply and dismissed it with a "Don't really care, not our problem" reply.

So in the absence of any reasonable alternative explanation and all signs pointing at Russia, yes it seems reasonable to escalate foreign policy actions.

Yes the circumstantial evidence is fairly damning. I'd still favour independent verification of the chemical and likely provenance from the OPCW.

We've all seen fake evidence deployed by the UK intelligence and defence establishment to justify a war before this. You may recall the whistleblower in that case was found dead in contentious circumstances, with all evidence around his death classified for 70 years.

seamus · 23-03-2018 12:11PM

Absolutely, and there are many reasons for vigilance here.

But everyone sitting on their hands and doing nothing while a thorough investigation takes place, really only benefits the perpetrator. It is impossible that Russia knows nothing about this, given the circumstantial evidence.

Their desire to deflect and ignore rather than engage and assist, speaks volumes in itself. If Russia really did nothing, why are they ignoring an apparent smear attempt? Why are they engaging bot networks to push propaganda and smear other countries instead of meeting with other world leaders to tackle it together?

This is exactly what happened with MH-17. Russia continuously denied any involvement, denied evidence that was right out in the open, refused to engage with independent investigations, and rather than freely discuss the matter, instead cranked up the online propaganda machine to try and push the blame elsewhere.

Mark Henderson · 23-03-2018 12:18PM

seamus wrote: »

Oh, that's interesting, you actually are a sock puppet account. Here I was thinking you were just another delusional 4channer.

Why would anyone in Ireland pay any attention to CNN? Why would you even mention CNN when discussing Irish politics?

Your mask has slipped, jog on comrade.

Hehe the old "i don't agree with you so i won't bother engaging"

I'll go for my jog and leave you to it.

Mark Henderson · 23-03-2018 12:21PM

baylah17 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar was elected Taoiseach by the Dail in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution .
Tough shít if you dont like , but it is a fact.

Now now no need for the language.

He's a coward who won't take it to the people then he goes off and put's his foot in it like he did with Trump last week.

He needs to shut up and concentrate on internal matters.

CrankyHaus · 23-03-2018 12:29PM

seamus wrote: »

Absolutely, and there are many reasons for vigilance here.

But everyone sitting on their hands and doing nothing while a thorough investigation takes place, really only benefits the perpetrator. It is impossible that Russia knows nothing about this, given the circumstantial evidence.

Their desire to deflect and ignore rather than engage and assist, speaks volumes in itself. If Russia really did nothing, why are they ignoring an apparent smear attempt? Why are they engaging bot networks to push propaganda and smear other countries instead of meeting with other world leaders to tackle it together?

This is exactly what happened with MH-17. Russia continuously denied any involvement, denied evidence that was right out in the open, refused to engage with independent investigations, and rather than freely discuss the matter, instead cranked up the online propaganda machine to try and push the blame elsewhere.

I wouldn't say it's impossible they know anything about it, though it's certainly very unlikely.

The country's leadership comprises a lot of former KGB types, secrecy and obfuscation is an instinct for them. Culturally Russia is distrustful of western attack, to the point of paranoia, due to its history. The actions of the west since 1990 have not helped assuage this.

I do think rising tensions are a two way street however. Just look at how much flak any anglophone politician receives for promoting dialogue over confrontation with Russia in recent years. I find most English language coverage of Russia to be bellicose, alarmist and poorly informed. German sources for example (often in English) tend to be far more nuanced and realistic.

JohnMc1 · 23-03-2018 12:37PM

Russia will **** us up if the EU thinks they can go to war with Russia. Personally I can't wait to be under the loving care of Comrade Putin.

baylah17 · 23-03-2018 12:38PM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

He's a coward

As opposed to a keyboard warrior Putin sock puppet?:rolleyes:

Fann Linn · 23-03-2018 12:42PM

Would Britain or France expel their diplomats if it happened here?

topper75 · 23-03-2018 01:00PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why not put Theresa May in charge of Ireland? Leo seems to be just parroting their move, why pay him and a govt to do the exact same as May?

Ahh... T May made that move days back.

I should have thought it was bloody clear here that Varadkar was taking a Brussels lapdog line?

Neither path is clever if we are serious about sovereignty. Ireland has not been blessed with great leadership in the modern era. :mad:

DEFTLEFTHAND · 23-03-2018 01:15PM

Don't think they'd give a crap really. We're insigificant to them.

They've shown blatant disregard for Irish airspace in the past.

Gatling · 23-03-2018 02:00PM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

Nice deflection.

It's not though ,

Ban I say .

Kremlin owned and controlled and edited ,it's nothing more than mass propaganda ,
It's nothing to do with free speech especially when there is No free speech in Russia ,

Along with re regs masquerading as new people

comparing bias Media to government produced propaganda is laughable

Cheerful Spring · 23-03-2018 02:27PM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

This whole "anti Russian" vibe the UK government have been pushing the last few years is something a lot of Irish people i have spoke with don't want anything to do with so Varadkar needs to shut his gob and concentrate on fixing the many many problems we face within our own nation.

He'd do well to remember he fell into his position of power and hasn't got a mandate from the Irish electorate to be making these decisions.

Especially when there no evidence yet Russian state spies killed him. The UK has lied about the agent used as well.

We can see from this court hearing Porton Down would not conclusively say it was a Novitchok nerve agent poisoned Skipral.

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/sshd-v-skripal-and-another-20180322.pdf

UK government and Boris Johnson lied to the British public and its European allies.

Court Judge heard
) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst
Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the
findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples
tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT

A closely related agent is not Novichok. If related many countries could have made the agent.

Exiled1 · 23-03-2018 02:32PM

Alun wrote: »

There was a recent article in the UK Times newspaper about the Russian Embassy here expanding quite considerably, out of all proportion to the number of Russians in Ireland, and that there were suspicions about them using it as some kind of base for cyber warfare etc.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/russia-has-fingers-in-all-sectors-of-irish-life-fpxlsw8x9

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/behind-the-iron-curtain-of-the-russian-embassy-in-dublin-f999sjfcr

Google "dublin russian embassy site:thetimes.co.uk" for more.

If Leo is really serious, he should have put a stop to this development long before now. Such a development in a small country beggars belief unless you factor in the IT element.

Skedaddle · 23-03-2018 02:35PM

It’s not that long ago that they were flying “bear bombers” complete with nuclear weapons on board through Irish airspace and all we could do was send them a stiff letter!

It’s one area where Ireland does need to be aligned with at the very least the EU. We are very, very vulnerable to things like cyber warfare and our economy is based largely on being a connected island, hosting lots of big US and multinational brands and is becoming an increasingly sophisticated and serious financial center.

We’re not entirely immune to these things and it’s not the 1930s / 40s or even the old Cold War, which was a very different beast to this.

Fann Linn · 23-03-2018 02:36PM

Skedaddle wrote: »

It’s not that long ago that they were flying “bear bombers” complete with nuclear weapons on board through Irish airspace and all we could do was send them a stiff letter!

As opposed to US jets landing at Shannon with weapons and we welcome them with duty free shopping.

Ireland to consider expelling Russian diplomats

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