Ireland to consider expelling Russian diplomats

lifeandtimes · 23-03-2018 10:03AM #1

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ireland-to-consider-expelling-russian-diplomats-taoiseach-leo-varadkar-36735761.html

This may lead to hightened tensions

So what will it be Nato Vs Russia?

Who will win?

Vicxas · 23-03-2018 10:14AM

Yay..... a second Cold War.

Just what the world needs right now.

weldoninhio · 23-03-2018 10:15AM

lifeandtimes wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ireland-to-consider-expelling-russian-diplomats-taoiseach-leo-varadkar-36735761.html

This may lead to hightened tensions

So what will it be Nato Vs Russia?

Who will win?

Why not put Theresa May in charge of Ireland? Leo seems to be just parroting their move, why pay him and a govt to do the exact same as May?

lifeandtimes · 23-03-2018 10:17AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Why not put Theresa May in charge of Ireland? Leo seems to be just parroting their move, why pay him and a govt to do the exact same as May?

seems the french are going to follow suit as will other countries

https://news.sky.com/story/live-more-countries-to-expel-russian-diplomats-after-salisbury-attack-11300963

Elmer Blooker · 23-03-2018 10:19AM

lifeandtimes wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/ireland-to-consider-expelling-russian-diplomats-taoiseach-leo-varadkar-36735761.html

This may lead to hightened tensions

So what will it be Nato Vs Russia?

Who will win?

US investment in Ireland and a favourable Brexit negotiation = a certain amount of boot licking will be required.
Bad bad Russia ........'highly likely' ..

ChikiChiki · 23-03-2018 10:19AM

Stay out of it at this early stage in my opinion. Don't know why he's putting us being a historically neutral and tiny country up on a pedastal with France. I suspect Leo is just happy to get publicity without actually thinking of the consequences. Another moronic move by him.

Let the European big hitters mouth off at Russia and expel diplomats. If it comes to it we'll quietly follow suit instead of putting attention on little ol defenceless Ireland straight away. Sure we'll send a few PC-7s up to warn the Russians off.

Wreckless from Leo again.

weldoninhio · 23-03-2018 10:20AM

lifeandtimes wrote: »

seems the french are going to follow suit as will other countries

https://news.sky.com/story/live-more-countries-to-expel-russian-diplomats-after-salisbury-attack-11300963

All these threats against Russia and it still has not been proven what the nerve agent was, or if they were behind it. Doesn't the "innocent until proven guilty" thing apply to international diplomacy??

Nettle Soup · 23-03-2018 10:20AM

These diplomat expulsions are a farce really. They are for media coverage only - all optics. They have little direct impact. They expel some and some more come in to replace them, if required. The British will use to it expel the diplomats they don't like working with.

Gatling · 23-03-2018 10:34AM

Send them packing won't make much of a difference ,I can only the threads of fauxraged posters crying how it's not fair ,
We'd be better off blocking RT and sputnik from broadcasting here and block website access ,

Zebra3 · 23-03-2018 10:34AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

All these threats against Russia and it still has not been proven what the nerve agent was, or if they were behind it. Doesn't the "innocent until proven guilty" thing apply to international diplomacy??

If you’re a western power or one of their vile mates like Saudi Arabia or Israel, then yeah.

Otherwise, good luck.

Gatling · 23-03-2018 10:35AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

If you’re a western power or one of their vile mates like Saudi Arabia or Israel, then yeah.

Otherwise, good luck.

But we're not talking about them are we

kneemos · 23-03-2018 10:41AM

Gatling wrote: »

Send them packing won't make much of a difference ,I can only the threads of fauxraged posters crying how it's not fair ,
We'd be better off blocking RT and sputnik from broadcasting here and block website access ,

RT though differs from the established western media,therefore it must be real news.

Gatling · 23-03-2018 10:49AM

kneemos wrote: »

RT though differs from the established western media,

"therefore it must be real news".

Therefore it must be real news according to the Kremlin and because it's not western media it's real and they would not lie or have an agenda ,

But they do some reason have a thing for the environmental facts .

Everything else is pure Kremlin propaganda

Barry Badrinath · 23-03-2018 10:54AM

"Diplomats"

neris · 23-03-2018 10:55AM

doubt it,ll make a huge difference, we dont seem to do huge amounts of trade or tourism with russia and alot of the business seems to be funneling dodgy russian roubles through the ifsc. pity we cant have a decent relationship with russia coz of the EU, always thought it could be a decent market for exporting agri & seafood products to.

Ray Bloody Purchase · 23-03-2018 10:57AM

Keep your bloody oar out of this Leo.

razorblunt · 23-03-2018 10:59AM

As long as they leave the Smirnoff.

Wanderer78 · 23-03-2018 10:59AM

Gatling wrote:

Therefore it must be real news according to the Kremlin and because it's not western media it's real and they would not lie or have an agenda ,

Interesting to hear from Stacy Herbert, that RT have never interfered with the editorial of the kesier report, kesier himself regularly slating western media sources such as the BBC with their interference from his past experiences with them

seamus · 23-03-2018 11:01AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

All these threats against Russia and it still has not been proven what the nerve agent was, or if they were behind it. Doesn't the "innocent until proven guilty" thing apply to international diplomacy??

Well you know, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

A convicted Russian traitor and his daughter are found near death after having being poisoned using a Soviet/Russian nerve agent, in a manner which is practically identical to how Russia has murdered former spies in the past.

And Russia's response is "Nah, wasn't us".

Pull the other one.

This is like the MH-17 nonsense again, where it was clear even before the official report that the aircraft had been shot down by Russian military hardware, but you still had Russia shrugging its shoulders and doing a Shaggy on it.

Putin is a dictator. Dictators murder those who oppose them.

baylah17 · 23-03-2018 11:20AM

`We should boycott the World Cup, refuse to send a team.

..... oh yeah, oops, forgot:D:D:D

valoren · 23-03-2018 11:24AM

Would it not make sense to keep the diplomats captive here in case something actually went down? Keep your friends close but your enemies closer.

weldoninhio · 23-03-2018 11:25AM

seamus wrote: »

Well you know, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

A convicted Russian traitor and his daughter are found near death after having being poisoned using a Soviet/Russian nerve agent, in a manner which is practically identical to how Russia has murdered former spies in the past.

And Russia's response is "Nah, wasn't us".

Pull the other one.

This is like the MH-17 nonsense again, where it was clear even before the official report that the aircraft had been shot down by Russian military hardware, but you still had Russia shrugging its shoulders and doing a Shaggy on it.

Putin is a dictator. Dictators murder those who oppose them.

Grand, so no need for investigations etc. That rape trial in NI, the lads look guilty, throw away the key. Tina Satchwell is missing, hubby last one to see her, in a lot of cases its the hubby/partner that done it, lock him up. Guilford Four, Birmingham Six, Reuben Carter etc etc etc would all be locked away still with your nonsense way of looking at things.

Oldtree · 23-03-2018 11:29AM

Not sure the Russians would care or even know where Ireland is! Unless they like the poteen

in which case we have them over a barrel.

CrankyHaus · 23-03-2018 11:33AM

seamus wrote: »

Well you know, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

A convicted Russian traitor and his daughter are found near death after having being poisoned using a Soviet/Russian nerve agent, in a manner which is practically identical to how Russia has murdered former spies in the past.

And Russia's response is "Nah, wasn't us".

Pull the other one.

This is like the MH-17 nonsense again, where it was clear even before the official report that the aircraft had been shot down by Russian military hardware, but you still had Russia shrugging its shoulders and doing a Shaggy on it.

Putin is a dictator. Dictators murder those who oppose them.

You don't think it's reasonable to have the details of this incident clarified before rushing to take drastic foreign policy actions?

endacl · 23-03-2018 11:37AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Wreckless from Leo again.

No wreck? Surely a good thing?

Mark Henderson · 23-03-2018 11:37AM

Gatling wrote: »

Send them packing won't make much of a difference ,I can only the threads of fauxraged posters crying how it's not fair ,
We'd be better off blocking RT and sputnik from broadcasting here and block website access ,

Sure if we are going down that route then let's block Sky News/BBC or any other news outlet that put's out an agenda or is it only agendas you disagree with personally you'd like to see blocked?

seamus · 23-03-2018 11:40AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Grand, so no need for investigations etc. That rape trial in NI, the lads look guilty, throw away the key. Tina Satchwell is missing, hubby last one to see her, in a lot of cases its the hubby/partner that done it, lock him up. Guilford Four, Birmingham Six, Reuben Carter etc etc etc would all be locked away still with your nonsense way of looking at things.

This is not a criminal trial, it's an international matter.

You can't conflate or compare the two in any way.

weldoninhio · 23-03-2018 11:40AM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

Sure if we are going down that route then let's block Sky News/BBC or any other news outlet that put's out an agenda or is it only agendas you disagree with personally you'd like to see blocked?

His ideas seem very dictatorish, which is hilarious given he's complaining about a "dictator". Confused gentleman I think.

Alun · 23-03-2018 11:41AM

Oldtree wrote: »

Not sure the Russians would care or even know where Ireland is! Unless they like the poteen in which case we have them over a barrel.

There was a recent article in the UK Times newspaper about the Russian Embassy here expanding quite considerably, out of all proportion to the number of Russians in Ireland, and that there were suspicions about them using it as some kind of base for cyber warfare etc.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/russia-has-fingers-in-all-sectors-of-irish-life-fpxlsw8x9

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/behind-the-iron-curtain-of-the-russian-embassy-in-dublin-f999sjfcr

Google "dublin russian embassy site:thetimes.co.uk" for more.

seamus · 23-03-2018 11:44AM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

You don't think it's reasonable to have the details of this incident clarified before rushing to take drastic foreign policy actions?

They seem pretty clear to me. If you mean "confirmed", then the Russians were given the chance to reply and dismissed it with a "Don't really care, not our problem" reply.

So in the absence of any reasonable alternative explanation and all signs pointing at Russia, yes it seems reasonable to escalate foreign policy actions.

Gatling · 23-03-2018 11:44AM

Mark Henderson wrote: »

or is it only agendas you disagree with personally you'd like to see blocked?

Reregs love to see blocked too .

Kremlin media .

Ireland to consider expelling Russian diplomats

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