Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Audioslaven · 21-03-2018 06:34PM

yop wrote: »

Nail on the head. Lads weren't given their chance, using lads who played in the AI final back in the FBD games when thats your platform to blood new lads is down to Rochford.
He goes back to the same lads time after time and at this stage some aren't up to it.
He needs to grow a set, but at this stage with next Sunday and May 13th been critical then he has missed a chance. O'Donoughue agree is a fine player, but he has been given the FBD and league to blood in.
Loftus has been fupped around, game in, game out, 1/2 a game, 10 minutes. You can't build confidence or gain experience from bit parts.

Spot on. Loftus is one example. Rochford thinks about the here and now. He has no future vision imo and I think we will pay for this when he leaves. Boland is another example who got harsh enough treatment as well. There has not been a new guy given a chance in the forward line in the league and the emphasis to develop young guys experience is not a priority for him.

One poster when on about Loftus at the Galway game, but he had zero support inside and when he got near to the ball, 2/3 galway guys were on him. Galway's tactic made loftus look bad as we were slow in our play getting the ball inside. I am not saying Loftus is the answer but you have to give guys a chance and give them a sustained period of playing time, if you want to develop them.

Audioslaven · 21-03-2018 06:39PM

PARlance wrote: »

I would have thought you'd be more clued into the FBD than that Yop. I don't even follow FBD games and it was obvious that loads of players were used... 46/7 going by this. Thanks to mayogaablog
http://mayogaablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FBD-2018-table.jpg

Rochford even sent last years squad away to Malaysia for the start of it. For most of the league it was a B team. Plenty of people on the fringe got chances, few took them.

Team that played Roscommon in Round 4 of FBD:
Robbie Hennelly; Eoin O’Donoghue, Ger Cafferkey, Caolan Crowe; Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan (0-1), James Stretton; Stephen Coen, Danny Kirby; Fionn McDonagh (0-4, two frees), Diarmuid O’Connor (0-1), Conor O’Shea (0-1); Neil Douglas (0-1), Jason Doherty (0-1, free), Ciaran Treacy (0-2).
Subs: Kevin McLoughlin for O’Connor, Jason Gibbons for Boyle, Shairoze Akram for O’Shea, Peter Naughton for McDonagh, Jamie Oates for Crowe, James McCormack for Kirby.

Loftus couldn't catch a ball into his chest on Sunday. Maybe he's not the answer that we want him to be.

I think it's borderline delusional to be saying lads haven't been given their chance. It's more than likely brought on by a desperation to find these magic few forwards that we don't have.

The FBD is a glorified challenge game. What about the League as this is where you get proper experience... How many new guys has he used?

Fr Tod Umptious · 21-03-2018 09:35PM

Did you see when Steven Hawking died last week there were obutaries and
editorial pieces out about him in a matter of hours.

That's because all of these are written in advance and filed away.

After Sunday I'm beginning to think it's time to start the "Mayo Football 2011 to 2017 - A reflection" post and keep it on file for a very short while.

irishgeo · 21-03-2018 10:27PM

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Did you see when Steven Hawking died last week there were obutaries and
editorial pieces out about him in a matter of hours.

That's because all of these are written in advance and filed away.

After Sunday I'm beginning to think it's time to start the "Mayo Football 2011 to 2017 - A reflection" post and keep it on file for a very short while.

why dont you dust down the one from last year.

a few newspapers editors probably had it ready go against derry.

PARlance · 21-03-2018 11:07PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

The FBD is a glorified challenge game. What about the League as this is where you get proper experience... How many new guys has he used?

It is indeed. I've no time for it. But I was responding to a point that Rochford uses the same old same old... it's simply not the case.
47 players playing over 5 FBD games and people are saying he doesn't try out new players.

I don't have the stats for the league but the one thing I'm sure is that he has been using plenty of players.

Vs Galway
MAYO: David Clarke; Caolan Crowe, Ger Cafferkey, Eoin O’Donoghue (0-1); Colm Boyle (0-1), Stephen Coen, Paddy Durcan (0-1); Jason Gibbons, Michael Hall; Kevin McLoughlin (0-1, free), Aidan O’Shea, Diarmuid O’Connor (0-1); Cillian O’Connor (0-5, frees), Jason Doherty (0-1, free), Conor Loftus.
Subs: Ger McDonagh for Crowe (blood) and for Gibbons, Donal Newcombe for Cafferkey (blood), Adam Gallagher for Loftus, Fergal Boland for McLoughlin, James Stretton for Boyle, Shane Nally for Durcan

Vs Dublin
MAYO: Robbie Hennelly (0-1, free); Caolan Crowe, Ger Cafferkey, Eoin O’Donoghue; Colm Boyle, Michael Hall, David Drake; Stephen Coen (0-1), Lee Keegan (0-1); Kevin McLoughlin (0-2), Aidan O’Shea, Diarmuid O’Connor; Jason Doherty (0-3, frees), Andy Moran (0-1), Adam Gallagher.
Subs: Seamus O’Shea for Gallagher, Conor Loftus (0-3, frees) for O’Connor, Fergal Boland for McLoughlin, Shairoze Akram for Drake, Danny Kirby for Doherty.

How can people be saying that he's using the same lads all the time.
Sure the Dubs were telling us that we should be taking it more seriously and playing stronger teams in the league...

It's absolute madness to be saying he doesn't give lads a chance. Most aren't good enough.

km79 · 21-03-2018 11:19PM

This has been mayos best team of modern times
Maybe ever
Most of them are still at a very high level
The lads coming though are not as good
That’s the harsh reality

PARlance · 21-03-2018 11:22PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Boland is another example who got harsh enough treatment as well. There has not been a new guy given a chance in the forward line in the league and the emphasis to develop young guys experience is not a priority for him.

I'm in danger of ranting and raving but can't let this one pass.

There were very few people crying when Boland got dropped last year. He was dropped in and around the Clare game when we went back to our running game. He wasn't harshly treated, he just doesn't fit into that style really unless he bulks up (plenty were saying he needed that).
It's a shame because I think he had a good league before that and I think he's a tidy, intelligent footballer.

Adam Gallagher might argue with you about a forward not getting a chance. He has taken his in the sense that he has made an impression.

km79 · 21-03-2018 11:36PM

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Audioslaven · 22-03-2018 12:04AM

PARlance wrote: »

I'm in danger of ranting and raving but can't let this one pass.

There were very few people crying when Boland got dropped last year. He was dropped in and around the Clare game when we went back to our running game. He wasn't harshly treated, he just doesn't fit into that style really unless he bulks up (plenty were saying he needed that).
It's a shame because I think he had a good league before that and I think he's a tidy, intelligent footballer.

Adam Gallagher might argue with you about a forward not getting a chance. He has taken his in the sense that he has made an impression.

Look I can understand about Boland as he is light but the fall from grace would have knocked his confidence out the door. I don't think he was playing any worse than anyone else last year. He was actually holding his own for a guy just in.

The point is he has not tried anyone new in the forwards in the league in a place where we could do with developing some talent. If we don't have the guys then develop younger panel members - Why not give Loftus and Boland consistent starts and consistent game time in the league. These are the future at the moment and he has not done this. He has given Gallagher a bit but not to a great level either.

if you look over the starting team sheets for the league you will see the seasoned players are starting but look we all see it differently so we move on

TCDStudent1 · 22-03-2018 12:07AM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Look I can understand about Boland as he is light but the fall from grace would have knocked his confidence out the door. I don't think he was playing any worse than anyone else last year. He was actually holding his own for a guy just in.

The point is he has not tried anyone new in the forwards in the league in a place where we could do with developing some talent. If we don't have the guys then develop younger panel members - Why not give Loftus and Boland consistent starts and consistent game time in the league. These are the future at the moment and he has not done this. He has given Gallagher a bit but not to a great level either.

if you look over the starting team sheets for the league you will see the seasoned players are starting but look we all see it differently so we move on

I'd say he was a little hindered by the Sigerson with Gallagher & Loftus.

yop · 22-03-2018 12:14AM

PARlance wrote: »

I would have thought you'd be more clued into the FBD than that Yop. I don't even follow FBD games and it was obvious that loads of players were used... 46/7 going by this. Thanks to mayogaablog
http://mayogaablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/FBD-2018-table.jpg

Rochford even sent last years squad away to Malaysia for the start of it. For most of the league it was a B team. Plenty of people on the fringe got chances, few took them.

Team that played Roscommon in Round 4 of FBD:
Robbie Hennelly; Eoin O’Donoghue, Ger Cafferkey, Caolan Crowe; Colm Boyle, Paddy Durcan (0-1), James Stretton; Stephen Coen, Danny Kirby; Fionn McDonagh (0-4, two frees), Diarmuid O’Connor (0-1), Conor O’Shea (0-1); Neil Douglas (0-1), Jason Doherty (0-1, free), Ciaran Treacy (0-2).
Subs: Kevin McLoughlin for O’Connor, Jason Gibbons for Boyle, Shairoze Akram for O’Shea, Peter Naughton for McDonagh, Jamie Oates for Crowe, James McCormack for Kirby.

Loftus couldn't catch a ball into his chest on Sunday. Maybe he's not the answer that we want him to be.

I think it's borderline delusional to be saying lads haven't been given their chance. It's more than likely brought on by a desperation to find these magic few forwards that we don't have.

I was at all bar one of the games, when I say chance, I don't mean have a game or half a game or even 10-15 minutes. Players need a couple of games on the bounce to show what they have. Their first game in a jersey they are going to be nervous etc.
All the results are here on this. http://mayogaablog.com/?page_id=219

LEITRIM
Paddy O’Malley
Marcus Park,
Ger McDonagh,
Aidan Butler
James Stretton
James McCormack
Jordan Flynn
Ciaran Treacy (3 pts)
Fionn McDonag (1 pt)
Nathan Moran * SUB
Ross Egan * SUB
Oisin McLoughlin *SUB
Peter Naughton (0-1)

GALWAY
Steven Duffy
Kevin Keane
Jamie Oates
Michael Plunkett
Michael Hall
Shairoze Akram
Brian Reape (4 pts)
Peter Naughton (1 goal)
James Stretton * SUB
Fionn McDonag * SUB

Roscommon
James Stretton
Ciaran Treacy(2 pts)
Fionn McDonagh (4 pts)
Shairoze Akram * SUB
Peter Naughton *SUB
Jamie Oates * SUB
James McCormack * SUB

Sligo
Michael Hall,
Fionn McDonag * SUB
Shairoze Akram * SUB
Fionn McDonag * SUB
Ger McDonagh * SUB

Aside from the 1st game and possibly the 2nd, in the game against Rossies 12 of the 15 starters were experienced, blooded players.
Against Sligo 14 of the 15 were experienced or blooded.

I don't know the exact game time for each player, but I did this up rough. I could have made a mistake on this though!

START SUB
Paddy O’Malley 1 0
Marcus Park, 1 0
Ger McDonagh, 1 1
Aidan Butler 1 0
James Stretton 2 1
James McCormack 1 1
Jordan Flynn 1 0
Ciaran Treacy (3 pts) 2 0
Fionn McDonag (1 pt) 2 2
Nathan Moran * SUB 0 1
Ross Egan * SUB 0 1
Oisin McLoughlin *SUB 0 1
Peter Naughton (0-1) 2 1
Steven Duffy 1 0
Kevin Keane *** 1 0
Jamie Oates 1 0
Michael Plunkett ** 1 0
Michael Hall 2 0
Shairoze Akram 1 2
Brian Reape (4 pts) 1 0

20 Players New
Starts 17
Start and Subbed 6
Subbed Only 3

Audioslaven · 22-03-2018 01:08AM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

I'd say he was a little hindered by the Sigerson with Gallagher & Loftus.

What is special about Coen!!

Fr Tod Umptious · 22-03-2018 08:39AM

irishgeo wrote: »

why dont you dust down the one from last year.

a few newspapers editors probably had it ready go against derry.

I was composing it in my head in the Mackey Stand in Limerick and again a week later in the Cusack Stand when it looked like curtains for them.

The problem with Sunday was that one wanted to see them push on after a good performance v Dublin and a good win in Kildare.

The old "finish the league better than you started it" cliche.

But it was the complete opposite.

muddle84 · 22-03-2018 11:50AM

Audioslaven wrote: »

yop wrote: »

Nail on the head. Lads weren't given their chance, using lads who played in the AI final back in the FBD games when thats your platform to blood new lads is down to Rochford.
He goes back to the same lads time after time and at this stage some aren't up to it.
He needs to grow a set, but at this stage with next Sunday and May 13th been critical then he has missed a chance. O'Donoughue agree is a fine player, but he has been given the FBD and league to blood in.
Loftus has been fupped around, game in, game out, 1/2 a game, 10 minutes. You can't build confidence or gain experience from bit parts.

Spot on. Loftus is one example. Rochford thinks about the here and now. He has no future vision imo and I think we will pay for this when he leaves. Boland is another example who got harsh enough treatment as well. There has not been a new guy given a chance in the forward line in the league and the emphasis to develop young guys experience is not a priority for him.

One poster when on about Loftus at the Galway game, but he had zero support inside and when he got near to the ball, 2/3 galway guys were on him. Galway's tactic made loftus look bad as we were slow in our play getting the ball inside. I am not saying Loftus is the answer but you have to give guys a chance and give them a sustained period of playing time, if you want to develop them.

I don't think its fair to say he has no future vision. He set up his development panel last year for those players to train with the senior squad throughout the championship. Adam Gallagher seems to be the only one that has come out of it this year. But if we get one prospect every year, isn't that ok?
http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/29929-rochford-calls-five-players-into-new-mayo-development-panel

blinding · 22-03-2018 11:58AM

I don't think its fair to say he has no future vision. He set up his development panel last year for those players to train with the senior squad throughout the championship. Adam Gallagher seems to be the only one that has come out of it this year. But if we get one prospect every year, isn't that ok?

http://www.mayonews.ie/sports/29929-rochford-calls-five-players-into-new-mayo-development-panel

We could do with getting 1.5 , 2 , 2.5 a year really . 3 every year would just be plain greedy while one is the bare minimum .

jr86 · 22-03-2018 01:10PM

Well there's a month and half to plan without Keegan now so it's not something that will catch us unawares in the lead up. Coen/Barrett centre back, flanked by Boyler and Durcan is a very stellar looking half back-line by any man's standards

I don't think it's as fatal from a footballing POV, as being made out. Keegan's best football has come in Croke Park the last few seasons and if he can be back for a super 8 push then brilliant. If we can't make a super 8 with or without Keegan we can throw our hat at it anyway

I think O'Connor is a more important player to have for the Galway game in terms of general reliability from frees and he's a forward that still takes watching and will tie up defenders. We also have no real back-up there, in truth.

flasher0030 · 22-03-2018 03:27PM

I have to say I haven't seen anything in Conor Loftus to suggest that he is going to make the cutting edge at senior intercounty level. From what I can see, he is very one dimensional - it is easy to dispossess him of the ball, and he doesn't have proper pace or strength needed at that level. I think when he came on as sub last year, and scored that goal and set up couple of scores, that it has raised our hopes that he is going to be the marquee forward we crave. And we don't want to let go of that fantasy. I'd sooner put faith in Adam Gallagher. With a bit more coaching, he has a bit of intensity, strength and more pace.

PARlance · 22-03-2018 03:34PM

yop wrote: »

I was at all bar one of the games, when I say chance, I don't mean have a game or half a game or even 10-15 minutes. Players need a couple of games on the bounce to show what they have. Their first game in a jersey they are going to be nervous etc.

Aside from the 1st game and possibly the 2nd, in the game against Rossies 12 of the 15 starters were experienced, blooded players.
Against Sligo 14 of the 15 were experienced or blooded.

There was a "strengthened" team put out against Galway in the FBD, it was still miles away from full strength. He has tried so many players over the 2 years that a B team would be "experienced, blooded" players. The start of the FBD was probably a C or D team in reality.

So who are the players that should have been given more time? I don't think there's much outside the 30-36 he had in his squad / development squad last year.

NabyLadistheman · 22-03-2018 08:25PM

That's nonsense about Loftus. Not every player is going to be a marquee forward that we all crave. Look at the impact he made on big games last year? Kept us in it versus Derry, sublime ball for Andys goal v Kerry. The guy is extremely talented & hopefully he can fulfil his potential.

Eoin O'Donoghue was in that development panel with Gallagher, Reape James Carr, Ruane & Cuniffe. So thats 2 by my reckoning stepping up in a big way. James Carr must be injured which is disappointing as he was name-checked by Andy in a couple of interviews towards the end of last season. Reape must not be in the condition required yet for this level & Ruane was poor in the FBD game he played. Cuniffe has not featured at all, not great considering how stuck we are at number 3. They are our main hopes coming from the U-21 winning team that are not already included

finisklin · 22-03-2018 08:39PM

What's story with Cian Hanley? Is he back in the panel or training with the team?

seligehgit · 22-03-2018 08:55PM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

That's nonsense about Loftus. Not every player is going to be a marquee forward that we all crave. Look at the impact he made on big games last year? Kept us in it versus Derry, sublime ball for Andys goal v Kerry. The guy is extremely talented & hopefully he can fulfil his potential.

Eoin O'Donoghue was in that development panel with Gallagher, Reape James Carr, Ruane & Cuniffe. So thats 2 by my reckoning stepping up in a big way. James Carr must be injured which is disappointing as he was name-checked by Andy in a couple of interviews towards the end of last season. Reape must not be in the condition required yet for this level & Ruane was poor in the FBD game he played. Cuniffe has not featured at all, not great considering how stuck we are at number 3. They are our main hopes coming from the U-21 winning team that are not already included

Good post.

The ball doesn't seem to be sticking inside for Conor Loftus but I'd be very hopeful that he's still going to develop into a top top player.

I can't understand what's going on with Matthew Ruane,is he injured?It's perplexing.

He's been given little real opportunity to impress.

Seamus Cunniffe has been virtually unheard of considering our issues at full back.

seligehgit · 22-03-2018 08:58PM

Set the recorder for Sunday

Live coverage of

Mayo v Donegal on TG4 at 15.00

finisklin · 22-03-2018 09:31PM

Might just trek up to it.....

Fann Linn · 22-03-2018 10:03PM

seligehgit wrote: »

Set the recorder for Sunday

Live coverage of

Mayo v Donegal on TG4 at 15.00

Any good pubs in Westport town that may be showing this? Thanks.

seligehgit · 22-03-2018 10:08PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Any good pubs in Westport town that may be showing this? Thanks.

You'd need to check with our Covey brigade.:)

I'd imagine most pubs in Westport would have a television showing a do or die Mayo game.Not sure of the gaaaah pubs in Westport.

The likes of the Castlecourt hotel would definitely be showing the game,pretty involved in Westport GAA.

ProudDUB · 22-03-2018 10:18PM

Can you watch live games on a TG4 player app on your phone, if you are in Ireland, or do they have them geo blocked?

PARlance · 22-03-2018 10:24PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Can you watch live games on a TG4 player app on your phone, if you are in Ireland, or do they have them geo blocked?

Online viewing for the game will work inside the M50.

ProudDUB · 22-03-2018 10:29PM

Grand so. I've a feeling in me waters, it'll be far more entertaining than the Dublin/Monaghan game.

seligehgit · 22-03-2018 10:43PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Can you watch live games on a TG4 player app on your phone, if you are in Ireland, or do they have them geo blocked?

The app is only available on Apple devices (IOS devices).

No use pour moi with an android phone.

There is a facility to watch live programs on the app.No idea why there'd be a geo blocking within the country.It might be geo blocked within Northern Ireland.

ProudDUB · 22-03-2018 11:02PM

seligehgit wrote: »

The app is only available on Apple devices (IOS devices).

No use pour moi with an android phone.

There is a facility to watch live programs on the app.No idea why there'd be a geo blocking within the country.It might be geo blocked within Northern Ireland.

You're kidding? I don't have an iPhone. :mad:

I was wondering if it was geoblocked, in case there was a GAAGO think going on, or something.

Dammit. I wanna see it live. I don't wanna have to rely on the internet outrage to make my judgement on all the drama. Thar be dragaons !

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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