Turkey Invades Syria, Afrin Under Attack

FTA69 · 14-03-2018 12:42PM #1

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-assad-regime-turkey-afrin-kurds-eastern-ghouta-us-allies-militia-a8252456.html

Is anyone following what's happening in northern Syria at the moment? The Turkish army has invaded with a view to destroying the Kurdish project that has been established there and in doing so have recruited a load of jihadi head-chopping maniacs to give them a hand. Erdogan is one of the biggest threats to world peace that we have at the moment. Turkey was bad enough when it was ultra-nationalistic and dominated by the military but now we have all of that coupled with aggressive Islamism as well. The Turkish regime has actively facilitated ISIS and similar groups. In contrast, the Kurds have fought their hearts out against ISIS and in the meantime have established an area based on local democracy, secularism, rights for women and co-operation; one of the only such places in the region.

They are now being steamrolled by a pack of sh*tbags bent on installing a load of jihadi lunatics and corrupt lackeys who will rule via fear and terror once again. The Kurds have been utterly abandoned by everyone and a massacre could well occur here over the next few weeks.

People rightly criticise Islamic fundamentalism and whatnot in Europe but we need to be asking serious questions of certain governments who insist on fawning over the Turkish and Saudi governments who are actively arming these people and giving them free reign.

Hector Bellend · 14-03-2018 12:44PM

Go on the invasion

RustyNut · 14-03-2018 12:49PM

Well you can't say they are chicken anyway.

17-03-2018 01:42PM

Afrin surrounded according to the BBC. Turkey really is turning into an odious entity under Erdogan. Then again I really never did like them. At least Germany admitted guilt for the Jewish holocaust. Mention the Armenian genocide and you'll be told to f**k right off by Johnny Turk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43384120

Gatling · 17-03-2018 02:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Afrin surrounded according to the BBC. Turkey really is turning into an odious entity under Erdogan. Then again I really never did like them. At least Germany admitted guilt for the Jewish holocaust. Mention the Armenian genocide and you'll be told to f**k right off by Johnny Turk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43384120

Unfortunately nobody seems to care ,

You would get more traction if this was an anti American rant thread

Odhinn · 17-03-2018 02:37PM

FTA69 wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-assad-regime-turkey-afrin-kurds-eastern-ghouta-us-allies-militia-a8252456.html

Is anyone following what's happening in northern Syria at the moment? The Turkish army has invaded with a view to destroying the Kurdish project that has been established there and in doing so have recruited a load of jihadi head-chopping maniacs to give them a hand. Erdogan is one of the biggest threats to world peace that we have at the moment. Turkey was bad enough when it was ultra-nationalistic and dominated by the military but now we have all of that coupled with aggressive Islamism as well. The Turkish regime has actively facilitated ISIS and similar groups. In contrast, the Kurds have fought their hearts out against ISIS and in the meantime have established an area based on local democracy, secularism, rights for women and co-operation; one of the only such places in the region.

They are now being steamrolled by a pack of sh*tbags bent on installing a load of jihadi lunatics and corrupt lackeys who will rule via fear and terror once again. The Kurds have been utterly abandoned by everyone and a massacre could well occur here over the next few weeks.

People rightly criticise Islamic fundamentalism and whatnot in Europe but we need to be asking serious questions of certain governments who insist on fawning over the Turkish and Saudi governments who are actively arming these people and giving them free reign.

Depressingly inevitable. The Kurds are nearly always shafted by the power players in the world.

biko · 17-03-2018 02:40PM

Turkey is as bad as ISIS and the EU politicians pandering to them should be fired and sent to Turkish prisons.

deandean · 17-03-2018 02:40PM

This is not a good time to be a Kurd in northern Syria, unfortunately.

K.Flyer · 17-03-2018 02:53PM

Turkey's treatment of the Kurds is shameful given the great efforts the Kurds made in the war against isis.
Remember the allegations of Turkey buying isis oil and the Russians blowing the tankers up followed by Turkey downing a Russian plane?
Hopefully someone puts a halt to this.

Donald Trump · 17-03-2018 02:55PM

Disrespectful bastards

Ruining the poor Syrian's St. Patrick's Parade

Can they not let them have anything?

Feckin' protestants

ArchXStanton · 17-03-2018 02:56PM

That's what happens when you jump into bed with the US and now they're abandoned

Hande hoche! · 17-03-2018 02:56PM

Could see Erodgan moving onto the other Kurdish canton after Afrin.

Donald Trump · 17-03-2018 02:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Afrin surrounded according to the BBC. Turkey really is turning into an odious entity under Erdogan. Then again I really never did like them. At least Germany admitted guilt for the Jewish holocaust. Mention the Armenian genocide and you'll be told to f**k right off by Johnny Turk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43384120

Johnny Turk he was ready, he primed himself well. He showered us with bullets, he rained us with. Shells And in five minutes flat he'd blown us all to hell.

JeffKenna · 17-03-2018 02:57PM

How are the displaced Syrian's going to watch the match later...

Barry Badrinath · 17-03-2018 03:49PM

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Could see Erodgan moving onto the other Kurdish canton after Afrin.

Doubtful.

The U.S presence there is too high. They have ten military bases and at least 2 airbases in Raqqa and al Hasakah.

Turkey wont risk coming head to head with the U.S.

ArchXStanton · 17-03-2018 03:56PM

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

Doubtful.

The U.S presence there is too high. They have ten military bases and at least 2 airbases in Raqqa and al Hasakah.

Turkey wont risk coming head to head with the U.S.

10 bases? That sounds like an invasion

Gatling · 17-03-2018 03:58PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

10 bases? That sounds like an invasion

They were invited

ArchXStanton · 17-03-2018 03:59PM

Gatling wrote: »

They were invited

By who? The Syrian government?

Gatling · 17-03-2018 04:02PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

By who? The Syrian government?

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

ArchXStanton · 17-03-2018 04:09PM

Gatling wrote: »

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

Interesting,have you got a link to that invite? I could have sworn the US is getting flak for illegally being there, stationing troops there and attacking the Syrian army

Gatling · 17-03-2018 04:19PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

US is getting flak for being there, stationing troops there and attacking the Syrian army

The Syrian forces (mainly Iran ,hizbollah, russian) attacking and bombing Syrian civilians

Don't shoot at Americans best advice

JenovaProject · 17-03-2018 04:20PM

Gatling wrote: »

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

A link please

ArchXStanton · 17-03-2018 04:21PM

Gatling wrote: »

The Syrian forces (mainly Iran ,hizbollah, russian) attacking and bombing Syrian civilians

Don't shoot at Americans best advice

So you don't...maybe you just wanted that in your head,you can stop digging now and go have a pint

Barry Badrinath · 17-03-2018 04:22PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Interesting,have you got a link to that invite? I could have sworn the US is getting flak for illegally being there, stationing troops there and attacking the Syrian army

The U.S are there without the consent of the Syrian government....pretty much like everyone else bar Russia and Iran.

They are situated mainly in the Kurdish held areas of Raqqa, Deir ez Zur and Hasakah...and al Tanf down south.

The areas held by the Kurds hope to be made into a Kurdish federal area. Therefore the Kurdish have "invited" the U.S to position themselves wherever they want in the "Kurdish" lands in return for training, arming and funding.

The U.S has not really directly "attacked" the Syrians either.

JenovaProject · 17-03-2018 04:22PM

Gatling wrote: »

The Syrian forces (mainly Iran ,hizbollah, russian) attacking and bombing jihadi terrorists

Better

RDM_83 again · 17-03-2018 04:25PM

Gatling wrote: »

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

I don't get the cheerleading of the Kurds, they are trying to create an ethno-state.

The idea of any other ethno-nationalism is repugnant to most of those who support all the various pro-Kurdish stuff online.

The Kurds just got their dirty work in early, the areas are Kurdish because the Assyrians and Armenians got butchered a hundred years back.

Hande hoche! · 17-03-2018 04:50PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I don't get the cheerleading of the Kurds, they are trying to create an ethno-state.

The idea of any other ethno-nationalism is repugnant to most of those who support all the various pro-Kurdish stuff online.

The Kurds just got their dirty work in early, the areas are Kurdish because the Assyrians and Armenians got butchered a hundred years back.

We have a film about Jake Gyllenhaal and the Kurds versus Islamic State to look forward to.

FTA69 · 19-03-2018 10:51AM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I don't get the cheerleading of the Kurds, they are trying to create an ethno-state.

The idea of any other ethno-nationalism is repugnant to most of those who support all the various pro-Kurdish stuff online.

The Kurds just got their dirty work in early, the areas are Kurdish because the Assyrians and Armenians got butchered a hundred years back.

This is nonsense on a couple of levels. The Kurds are entitled to self-determination as a nation and it's not their fault they found themselves on different sides of imperial-drawn borders and in states that hate them. The people who are pro-Kurdish (and as someone involved in that solidarity, I'm familiar with them) are generally left-wing trade unionists and socialists of various hues who support self-determination across the board. The mad SWP types are generally supporting the anti-Assad jihadis.

Secondly, Afrin was a multicultural area which was administered by a council featuring mandatory delegates from Yazidis, Jews, Arabs and other minorities. It was a popular destination for people fleeing the conflict and was secular and pluralistic, your idea of the Kurds creating some exclusionary ethnostate is way off the mark.

FTA69 · 19-03-2018 11:07AM

On another note, I've seen photos of the so-called 'Free Syrian Army' rebels in the centre of Afrin giving ISIS salutes and promising to behead their enemies. For years some people have been advocating support for these type of people when it's clear as day they're predominantly jihadi lunatics like the type we saw in Libya and Iraq. This whole episode is absolutely shameful.

Ultimate Seduction · 19-03-2018 11:16AM

Gatling wrote: »

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

You've said this about the US aswell on other thread but have absolutely zero evidence. When someone says something that doesn't fit your narrative, you demand proof and then even when proof is provided you dismiss it as not reliable source.

FTA69 · 19-03-2018 12:47PM

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/19/briton-kurds-anna-campbell-dies-fighting-turkey-syria-afrin

Anna Campbell, a young British woman has been killed fighting with the YPJ. She was a hero. Rojava is the Spanish Civil War of our day. I know four people in London who have returned from volunteering with the YPG who are now under investigation by the authorities; including one who is being currently prosecuted.

It’s bad enough the British government are selling arms to the Turks but even worse that they’re now attempting to bang up people who were fighting ISIS.

Turkey Invades Syria, Afrin Under Attack

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