Turkey Invades Syria, Afrin Under Attack

FTA69

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-assad-regime-turkey-afrin-kurds-eastern-ghouta-us-allies-militia-a8252456.html

Is anyone following what's happening in northern Syria at the moment? The Turkish army has invaded with a view to destroying the Kurdish project that has been established there and in doing so have recruited a load of jihadi head-chopping maniacs to give them a hand. Erdogan is one of the biggest threats to world peace that we have at the moment. Turkey was bad enough when it was ultra-nationalistic and dominated by the military but now we have all of that coupled with aggressive Islamism as well. The Turkish regime has actively facilitated ISIS and similar groups. In contrast, the Kurds have fought their hearts out against ISIS and in the meantime have established an area based on local democracy, secularism, rights for women and co-operation; one of the only such places in the region.

They are now being steamrolled by a pack of sh*tbags bent on installing a load of jihadi lunatics and corrupt lackeys who will rule via fear and terror once again. The Kurds have been utterly abandoned by everyone and a massacre could well occur here over the next few weeks.

People rightly criticise Islamic fundamentalism and whatnot in Europe but we need to be asking serious questions of certain governments who insist on fawning over the Turkish and Saudi governments who are actively arming these people and giving them free reign.

Hector Bellend

Go on the invasion

RustyNut

Well you can't say they are chicken anyway.

Afrin surrounded according to the BBC. Turkey really is turning into an odious entity under Erdogan. Then again I really never did like them. At least Germany admitted guilt for the Jewish holocaust. Mention the Armenian genocide and you'll be told to f**k right off by Johnny Turk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43384120

Gatling

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Afrin surrounded according to the BBC. Turkey really is turning into an odious entity under Erdogan. Then again I really never did like them. At least Germany admitted guilt for the Jewish holocaust. Mention the Armenian genocide and you'll be told to f**k right off by Johnny Turk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43384120

Unfortunately nobody seems to care ,

You would get more traction if this was an anti American rant thread

Odhinn

FTA69 wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-civil-war-assad-regime-turkey-afrin-kurds-eastern-ghouta-us-allies-militia-a8252456.html

Is anyone following what's happening in northern Syria at the moment? The Turkish army has invaded with a view to destroying the Kurdish project that has been established there and in doing so have recruited a load of jihadi head-chopping maniacs to give them a hand. Erdogan is one of the biggest threats to world peace that we have at the moment. Turkey was bad enough when it was ultra-nationalistic and dominated by the military but now we have all of that coupled with aggressive Islamism as well. The Turkish regime has actively facilitated ISIS and similar groups. In contrast, the Kurds have fought their hearts out against ISIS and in the meantime have established an area based on local democracy, secularism, rights for women and co-operation; one of the only such places in the region.

They are now being steamrolled by a pack of sh*tbags bent on installing a load of jihadi lunatics and corrupt lackeys who will rule via fear and terror once again. The Kurds have been utterly abandoned by everyone and a massacre could well occur here over the next few weeks.

People rightly criticise Islamic fundamentalism and whatnot in Europe but we need to be asking serious questions of certain governments who insist on fawning over the Turkish and Saudi governments who are actively arming these people and giving them free reign.

Depressingly inevitable. The Kurds are nearly always shafted by the power players in the world.

biko

Turkey is as bad as ISIS and the EU politicians pandering to them should be fired and sent to Turkish prisons.

deandean

This is not a good time to be a Kurd in northern Syria, unfortunately.

K.Flyer

Turkey's treatment of the Kurds is shameful given the great efforts the Kurds made in the war against isis.
Remember the allegations of Turkey buying isis oil and the Russians blowing the tankers up followed by Turkey downing a Russian plane?
Hopefully someone puts a halt to this.

Donald Trump

Disrespectful bastards

Ruining the poor Syrian's St. Patrick's Parade

Can they not let them have anything?

Feckin' protestants

ArchXStanton

That's what happens when you jump into bed with the US and now they're abandoned

Hande hoche!

Could see Erodgan moving onto the other Kurdish canton after Afrin.

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

Afrin surrounded according to the BBC. Turkey really is turning into an odious entity under Erdogan. Then again I really never did like them. At least Germany admitted guilt for the Jewish holocaust. Mention the Armenian genocide and you'll be told to f**k right off by Johnny Turk.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43384120

Johnny Turk he was ready, he primed himself well. He showered us with bullets, he rained us with. Shells And in five minutes flat he'd blown us all to hell.

JeffKenna

How are the displaced Syrian's going to watch the match later...

Barry Badrinath

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Could see Erodgan moving onto the other Kurdish canton after Afrin.

Doubtful.

The U.S presence there is too high. They have ten military bases and at least 2 airbases in Raqqa and al Hasakah.

Turkey wont risk coming head to head with the U.S.

ArchXStanton

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

Doubtful.

The U.S presence there is too high. They have ten military bases and at least 2 airbases in Raqqa and al Hasakah.

Turkey wont risk coming head to head with the U.S.

10 bases? That sounds like an invasion

Gatling

ArchXStanton wrote: »

10 bases? That sounds like an invasion

They were invited

ArchXStanton

Gatling wrote: »

They were invited

By who? The Syrian government?

Gatling

ArchXStanton wrote: »

By who? The Syrian government?

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

ArchXStanton

Gatling wrote: »

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

Interesting,have you got a link to that invite? I could have sworn the US is getting flak for illegally being there, stationing troops there and attacking the Syrian army

Gatling

ArchXStanton wrote: »

US is getting flak for being there, stationing troops there and attacking the Syrian army

The Syrian forces (mainly Iran ,hizbollah, russian) attacking and bombing Syrian civilians

Don't shoot at Americans best advice

JenovaProject

Gatling wrote: »

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

A link please

ArchXStanton

Gatling wrote: »

The Syrian forces (mainly Iran ,hizbollah, russian) attacking and bombing Syrian civilians

Don't shoot at Americans best advice

So you don't...maybe you just wanted that in your head,you can stop digging now and go have a pint

Barry Badrinath

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Interesting,have you got a link to that invite? I could have sworn the US is getting flak for illegally being there, stationing troops there and attacking the Syrian army

The U.S are there without the consent of the Syrian government....pretty much like everyone else bar Russia and Iran.

They are situated mainly in the Kurdish held areas of Raqqa, Deir ez Zur and Hasakah...and al Tanf down south.

The areas held by the Kurds hope to be made into a Kurdish federal area. Therefore the Kurdish have "invited" the U.S to position themselves wherever they want in the "Kurdish" lands in return for training, arming and funding.

The U.S has not really directly "attacked" the Syrians either.

JenovaProject

Gatling wrote: »

The Syrian forces (mainly Iran ,hizbollah, russian) attacking and bombing jihadi terrorists

Better

RDM_83 again

Gatling wrote: »

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

I don't get the cheerleading of the Kurds, they are trying to create an ethno-state.

The idea of any other ethno-nationalism is repugnant to most of those who support all the various pro-Kurdish stuff online.

The Kurds just got their dirty work in early, the areas are Kurdish because the Assyrians and Armenians got butchered a hundred years back.

Hande hoche!

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I don't get the cheerleading of the Kurds, they are trying to create an ethno-state.

The idea of any other ethno-nationalism is repugnant to most of those who support all the various pro-Kurdish stuff online.

The Kurds just got their dirty work in early, the areas are Kurdish because the Assyrians and Armenians got butchered a hundred years back.

We have a film about Jake Gyllenhaal and the Kurds versus Islamic State to look forward to.

FTA69

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I don't get the cheerleading of the Kurds, they are trying to create an ethno-state.

The idea of any other ethno-nationalism is repugnant to most of those who support all the various pro-Kurdish stuff online.

The Kurds just got their dirty work in early, the areas are Kurdish because the Assyrians and Armenians got butchered a hundred years back.

This is nonsense on a couple of levels. The Kurds are entitled to self-determination as a nation and it's not their fault they found themselves on different sides of imperial-drawn borders and in states that hate them. The people who are pro-Kurdish (and as someone involved in that solidarity, I'm familiar with them) are generally left-wing trade unionists and socialists of various hues who support self-determination across the board. The mad SWP types are generally supporting the anti-Assad jihadis.

Secondly, Afrin was a multicultural area which was administered by a council featuring mandatory delegates from Yazidis, Jews, Arabs and other minorities. It was a popular destination for people fleeing the conflict and was secular and pluralistic, your idea of the Kurds creating some exclusionary ethnostate is way off the mark.

FTA69

On another note, I've seen photos of the so-called 'Free Syrian Army' rebels in the centre of Afrin giving ISIS salutes and promising to behead their enemies. For years some people have been advocating support for these type of people when it's clear as day they're predominantly jihadi lunatics like the type we saw in Libya and Iraq. This whole episode is absolutely shameful.

Ultimate Seduction

Gatling wrote: »

Kurdish government ,

It's their land taken from them by Assad senior

You've said this about the US aswell on other thread but have absolutely zero evidence. When someone says something that doesn't fit your narrative, you demand proof and then even when proof is provided you dismiss it as not reliable source.

FTA69

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/19/briton-kurds-anna-campbell-dies-fighting-turkey-syria-afrin

Anna Campbell, a young British woman has been killed fighting with the YPJ. She was a hero. Rojava is the Spanish Civil War of our day. I know four people in London who have returned from volunteering with the YPG who are now under investigation by the authorities; including one who is being currently prosecuted.

It’s bad enough the British government are selling arms to the Turks but even worse that they’re now attempting to bang up people who were fighting ISIS.

Gatling

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

When someone says something that doesn't fit your narrative, you demand proof and then even when proof is provided you dismiss it as not reliable source.

No what usually happens is someone comes along with multiple conspiracy theories and links according to sputnik news and RT,

Which is completely ripped to shreds which results in certain posters turn to trolling and PA which only adds to their own ridicule .

But that can't be helped

Just for the sake of it ,
So what other thread are you on about I post across multiple threads and forums .

Ultimate Seduction

Gatling wrote: »

No what usually happens is someone comes along with multiple conspiracy theories and links according to sputnik news and RT,

Which is completely ripped to shreds which results in certain posters turn to trolling and PA which only adds to their own ridicule .

But that can't be helped

Still no link or proof? Otherwise your baseless claim is simply a conspiracy theory too.

Gatling

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Still no link or proof? Otherwise your baseless claim is simply a conspiracy theory too.

What are you on about ,

Ultimate Seduction

Gatling wrote: »

What are you on about ,

That's all from me. How your allowed troll so hard on these forums without being banned is baffling.

Gatling

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

That's all from me. How your allowed troll so hard on these forums without being banned is baffling.

Okey dokey .

Hande hoche!

FTA69 wrote: »

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/19/briton-kurds-anna-campbell-dies-fighting-turkey-syria-afrin

Anna Campbell, a young British woman has been killed fighting with the YPJ. She was a hero. Rojava is the Spanish Civil War of our day. I know four people in London who have returned from volunteering with the YPG who are now under investigation by the authorities; including one who is being currently prosecuted.

It’s bad enough the British government are selling arms to the Turks but even worse that they’re now attempting to bang up people who were fighting ISIS.

That's particularly nasty. Spend time fighting Islamic State, only to be killed by a NATO country.

FTA69

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/the-irish-man-fighting-fascism-in-syria-i-was-always-curious-how-i-d-react-to-battle-1.3435174

Great interview with an Irish volunteer in the YPG. It seems the Turks now have designs on destroying the rest of Rojava.

gandalf

Of course they are, Syria's difficulty is Turkeys opportunity. They can go after the Kurds without worrying that Assad will intervene and the US won't piss them off because they'd be worried they'd pull out of NATO.

Erdogan has basically moved Turkey in the path of becoming an Islamic dictatorship.

FTA69

gandalf wrote: »

Of course they are, Syria's difficulty is Turkeys opportunity. They can go after the Kurds without worrying that Assad will intervene and the US won't piss them off because they'd be worried they'd pull out of NATO.

Erdogan has basically moved Turkey in the path of becoming an Islamic dictatorship.

Assad realised that the Kurdish areas were probably beyond his control by now and besides that, he’s a puppet of the Russians at this stage. The Russians’ only concern now is maintaining their bases and they couldn’t give a toss about the Kurds who have been sold out to Turkey, something those seal-clapping Russia have often failed to mention.

Turkey is now a bizarre mix of militaristic ultra nationalism and regressive Islamism, and like always the Kurds will be caught between various imperial powers.

drillyeye

If they* are going to kill each other, with our interference, and they are going to kill each other WITHOUT our interference.....

There comes a point where you've got to keep your nose out of it. They'll fight, kill, maim and murder until they naturally reach a state of equilibrium.

They = fooking everyone.

Sticking your nose in only seems to guarantee a perpetual state of war that lasts forever. "arab spring" "liberal democracy"....yeah that worked out well.

FTA69

The Kurds have asked for solidarity in their struggle and invited all those who care about left-wing, co-operative and feminist politics to support them. Those who have volunteered to go have my utmost respect.

During the Spanish Civil War people said the same thing about “not interfering” and the result was an isolated democratic project being crushed by fascism. It’s hard not to see the parallels.

drillyeye

FTA69 wrote: »

The Kurds have asked for solidarity in their struggle and invited all those who care about left-wing, co-operative and feminist politics to support them. Those who have volunteered to go have my utmost respect.

During the Spanish Civil War people said the same thing about “not interfering” and the result was an isolated democratic project being crushed by fascism. It’s hard not to see the parallels.

Ghaddafi was supposed to be a terrible ruler.....

Has the result of interference made north Africa a better, or a worse place?

If fascism, democracy, dictatorship is allowed to become the norm by the people of said country....then that's the result. If it isn't liked, it will EVENTUALLY be overthrown by the same people.

If it costs a lot of lives and misery, then they will be all the happier and wiser afterwards, making sure not to let it happen again.

Within reason, a country should be allowed stay stable. The more people interfere, the less chance it will ever be sorted out.

Even in north Africa, you could place the blame in 20 different directions, all due to interference. If France interferes in ANY way, all it will ever get is blame from one angle or another, ultimately complicating the situation and moving away from a real solution.

Let these countries go at it, let them solve their own problems.

FTA69

FFS the Kurdish people of Rojava aren’t “allowing” themselves to become fascist; they’re under direct attack from fascism and we should support them and their democratic project.

It’s all well and good saying it’s none of our business but when the jihadi nutters start letting off bombs on an even bigger scale in Europe because of the Kurds’ defeat the. It will be our business.

I’m not advocating western intervention on a state level here by the way, but I do salute the volunteers and activists who have gone to fight with the YPG. Any right thinking person would considering the aforementioned states have sold them out.

drillyeye

FTA69 wrote: »

FFS the Kurdish people of Rojava aren’t “allowing” themselves to become fascist; they’re under direct attack from fascism and we should support them and their democratic project.

It’s all well and good saying it’s none of our business but when the jihadi nutters start letting off bombs on an even bigger scale in Europe because of the Kurds’ defeat the. It will be our business.

I’m not advocating western intervention on a state level here by the way, but I do salute the volunteers and activists who have gone to fight with the YPG. Any right thinking person would considering the aforementioned states have sold them out.

Fook "democratic projects". If they are a minority people living amongst a directly opposed majority, then they either fight it out, or join up. That's how Europe formed, that's why Europe is stable today. We did it the hard way, which happens to be the best way in the end.

The jihadi nutters are here because we allow them to be here. Why? Good question!

old_aussie

Turkey Invades Syria, Afrin Under Attack ....

No one cares.

Another islamic terrorist attack in France.....

No one cares.


Nothing to see here, move along.

Cheerful Spring

FTA69 wrote: »

Assad realised that the Kurdish areas were probably beyond his control by now and besides that, he’s a puppet of the Russians at this stage. The Russians’ only concern now is maintaining their bases and they couldn’t give a toss about the Kurds who have been sold out to Turkey, something those seal-clapping Russia have often failed to mention.

Turkey is now a bizarre mix of militaristic ultra nationalism and regressive Islamism, and like always the Kurds will be caught between various imperial powers.

Russia can't really do anything to stop it, if they started shooting down Turkish planes this brings in the Nato alliance and you just know it Erdogan will demand action.

Turkey decides to attack Manbij next an area US forces are protecting alongside the Kurds, could result in US forces opening fire on Turkish forces. The Americans told the Turks they we will not move out.

Cheerful Spring

FTA69 wrote: »

FFS the Kurdish people of Rojava aren’t “allowing” themselves to become fascist; they’re under direct attack from fascism and we should support them and their democratic project.

It’s all well and good saying it’s none of our business but when the jihadi nutters start letting off bombs on an even bigger scale in Europe because of the Kurds’ defeat the. It will be our business.

I’m not advocating western intervention on a state level here by the way, but I do salute the volunteers and activists who have gone to fight with the YPG. Any right thinking person would considering the aforementioned states have sold them out.

Very true. We should be at the UN demanding Turkey cease its operations against the Kurds.

wes

Kurds betrayed again. They can never catch a break.