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The future of RTE Radio 1 LW

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  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's amazing!!!

    Ah , you'll regularly hear U.S hams on 20 meters during the day and 40 meters in the evening and then on 80 meters late at night, depending on conditions how clear they are.

    One minute you'll hear them clear as a bell then nothing, amazing.

    Sometimes you can even hear U.S Medium Wave stations come in in the night with a good external antenna and sometimes on the internal antenna outside if you;'e lucky enough with a good radio not your off the shelf muck you get in a shop these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭burnsey1987


    I wonder if there is a spike in the numbers of people listening to Radio 1 on LW at the moment, i.e people who want to listen to Cheltenham and who live in areas of the country where there is no DAB...


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RTE would tell you that no one listens to LW any more.

    "when is the last time someone asked you for a Long Wave radio ?" muppets !

    For anyone reading this who doesn't know what the lase sentence was about, read below.

    When RTE closed MW they went to some electrical shop and asked one of the sales Men when was the last time they were asked for a medium Wave radio and the sales man replied "no one ever asked me for a MW radio"

    This was to try and deceive the public that no one is listening to MW because no one would ever ask any sales person in a shop if they had a MW radio because one would naturally expect any radio to cover MW and FM , equally, you'll never hear anyone walk into a shop and ask for an FM radio !

    Someone will go into a shop and buy a "radio" and if they can't find a radio they will ask the shop assistant for a "radio" simple as that.

    And I bet there was little to no whinging on Joe Duffy either over the shut down of MW because RTE won't want to admit there was probably a large audience for MW and so would not allow anyone on to tell the public otherwise , they wouldn't get past their researcher, trust me, I know how RTE operate, I've been in the situation, if it does not fit their agenda you're voice will not be heard on RTE 1.

    My Mother and Aunt listened to MW because at the time there were certain programming on MW that was not on FM and to a lesser extent the same applies to LW and FM.

    The fm band is too crowded and so the likes of Joe Duffy could be on MW/lw and other programming on FM, the Transmitter is there, the spectrum is available, use it RTE ffs! The quality is more than acceptable on MW/LW despite what they might like to tell the youth !

    Can anyone post that video again please of the MW shut down where they walk into the Shop asking for a MW radio ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭burnsey1987


    Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtzyhmvHR-Y

    Longwave here is referred to as a secondary platform to FM. 6 years after they made the initial announcement to close it down.

    I know I'm being pedantic but there are errors in the reporting - first of all, RTE radio began broadcasting on FM in the 60's, not the 70's. Also the Tullamore transmitter was commissioned around 1975, it was not in continuous operation for nearly 70 years. Typical lazy journalism.

    On a side note, I tuned into Absolute on medium wave just the other day. Maybe it's just a nostalgia thing but I actually preferred the sound of Jimi Hendrix on 1215 MW than I did on my Freesat TV...


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There's something to the sound on AM on a quality radio , I can relate to that, I don't think it's all nostalgia , I think it's more to do with the fact digital has kind of ruined the way we listen to music especially streaming services, there's no personal touch to it, it's too easy and you just keep flicking to the next track and the next 30 seconds of this 1 min of that etc.

    And those younger folk streaming all day won't hear the banter of a DJ or the excitement of a new chart buster , a life story here and there, the rambling or just the sound of a human voice and listening to people ring in with their requests and the craic they might have with the DJ.

    The Audio quality may have improved but the quality of the way we receive it has got worse.

    To think RTE now have a digital first campaign going on is really worrying.

    MW will be here for decades and longer in some form or another, parts of it will become digital and you may see a lot of pirates crop up and no one will care any more as it's deemed no one will listen anyway.

    I think the internet in general has meant a lot of people now sit in front of a screen or stuck with earphones in not communicating with real people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Maybe I'm wrong but a Click COMPUTER shop is the last place I would think of going to buy a radio anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    Back in 1979 I used to listen to Dave Fanning doing the Rock Show on Radio 2 from 12 mid night to 2am, sound quality from Athlone was average, but then Radio 1 used to close at midnight, so then R1 will link up with R2 and the sound quality was amazing, the transmitter at Tullamore was so much better. Athlone tx was only crap compared to Tullamore.
    My belief is RTE should have kept 567kzw MW alive, a new 500kw solid state tx should have been installed, LW should carry Radio 1 Extra on 261 kzw.
    This is what most of us want, but the tough reality is from next year there will be no MW or LW on our radios from Ireland.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Maybe I'm wrong but a Click COMPUTER shop is the last place I would think of going to buy a radio anyway.

    Lol no certainly not if that's where they shot the video then they're idiots.

    RTE will portray whatever picture they want, the media are powerful brainwashers, look at all the Anti Trump drivel in the media the last year and a half ffs, has everyone in Ireland now saying they'll protest if Trump comes to Ireland, wtf has he done to us ? muppets !


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This is what most of us want, but the tough reality is from next year there will be no MW or LW on our radios from Ireland.

    Apart from Spirit. It's a shame no commercial station sees the value of MW in Ireland. FM is too crowded in many parts. Spirit signal isn't particularly strong. DAB is crap.

    Old tech but if it works so bloody what. One day we'll seriously regret depending on the internet as much as we do.

    Radio stations in the dark tangled clutches of the Web could end up dead without internet free transmitters.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭burnsey1987


    Lol no certainly not if that's where they shot the video then they're idiots.

    RTE will portray whatever picture they want, the media are powerful brainwashers, look at all the Anti Trump drivel in the media the last year and a half ffs, has everyone in Ireland now saying they'll protest if Trump comes to Ireland, wtf has he done to us ? muppets !

    While I may not be a particular fan of Donald Trump, I do think that all of this anti-Trump stuff is becoming a bit tiresome to listen to at this stage. Do the media actually think that he gives two fcuks about them? Of course he doesn’t. Maybe focus on real issues that matter???

    That said I still find RTÉ a lot less biased than most other radio stations in this country. At least they actually discuss the news


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  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While I may not be a particular fan of Donald Trump, I do think that all of this anti-Trump stuff is becoming a bit tiresome to listen to at this stage. Do the media actually think that he gives two fcuks about them? Of course he doesn’t. Maybe focus on real issues that matter???

    That said I still find RTÉ a lot less biased than most other radio stations in this country. At least they actually discuss the news

    The only one I find any way less biased about trump is Paul Williams on newstalk and will actually give credit where credit is due and I respect him for that. The rest of the media just follow the crowd and the agenda.

    Trump isn't popular with the media so they will try to destroy him and everything he does. They can't even give the Man credit for getting the North Koreans to the table or at least talk about talking, no they have to try find something negative.

    Trubidy will bash him every chance for no other reason other than he thinks it's what everyone wants to hear, Tubridy will go along with popular opinion regardless of facts.

    When I ask people what they have against Trump they can't actually give me a valid reason or some fools say "he hates Women and Gays" WTF ? are you serious, give me examples, and they just can't because they're brainwashed and all they think about when they Hear the name Trump is Trump is bad, it's kind of a disease the Liberals have too or those that like to think they're liberals and their attitude is I'm right you're wrong and that's the end of it move along please.

    RTE need to change their pathetic journalism , they'll go along with the Liberal loonie opinions of the USA they'll side with the corrupt Clintons any day because they think it's in their own best interest and their own best interest to bash Trump every single minute of the day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭burnsey1987


    There's something to the sound on AM on a quality radio , I can relate to that, I don't think it's all nostalgia , I think it's more to do with the fact digital has kind of ruined the way we listen to music especially streaming services, there's no personal touch to it, it's too easy and you just keep flicking to the next track and the next 30 seconds of this 1 min of that etc.

    And those younger folk streaming all day won't hear the banter of a DJ or the excitement of a new chart buster , a life story here and there, the rambling or just the sound of a human voice and listening to people ring in with their requests and the craic they might have with the DJ.

    Absolutely agree.

    The Audio quality may have improved but the quality of the way we receive it has got worse.
    To think RTE now have a digital first campaign going on is really worrying.

    MW will be here for decades and longer in some form or another, parts of it will become digital and you may see a lot of pirates crop up and no one will care any more as it's deemed no one will listen anyway.

    I think the internet in general has meant a lot of people now sit in front of a screen or stuck with earphones in not communicating with real people.

    That does concern me too, but could RTE go internet-only even if they wanted to. What about their PSB obligations. FM provides fairly close to nationwide coverage. A lot of people can't get an internet connection good enough to support streaming. And I'm not buying this FG sh1te that every premises in the country will have high-speed internet within the next couple of years. Even so, why should anyone have to sign up to an ISP in order to listen to a publicly-funded public service radio station?

    The internet cannot replace traditional broadcasting. The two should complement each other, not compete. FM should be kept going indefinitely. Ideally there should be a single nationwide AM transmitter as a backup reserve (as is the case in Iceland). Internet streaming cannot provide nationwide coverage. It is however ideally suited to providing the likes of catch-up services, interactive content and the like...


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I presume RTE is going to concentrate more and more on digital content meanwhile they'll advertise it as offering something wonderful.

    I agree 100% that the Internet should never be allowed to replace FM or indeed AM.

    Everyone doesn't need a high speed internet connection and there are many people that don't even want the internet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,574 ✭✭✭Gerry Wicklow


    Perhaps if our licence (broadcast) fee included free nationwide streaming access I might consider it. Otherwise, as burnsey1987 says, why pay to access public radio. The internet is still too fragile, sparse and vulnerable to attack. We should never put all our eggs in one basket. Given the choice of using a small box on the window sill or having earphones on all the time, I know which I prefer.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just think of the amount we depend on the internet already and more and more and more....... huge mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    The Catholic Church should make a contribution to Spirit Radio and have a proper MW service, move it to the Tullamore mast for better coverage instead of trying to install fm txs all over the place.
    As far RTE in the advent of closing LW and the failure of DAB launching, they must improve their FM signal especially on the sub txs. A lot of Hiss sound is heard on R1, Today FM from the same site (cnoc on oir) is cyistal clear.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Truth be told RTE wouldn't allow anyone use the old 567 Transmitter, they're that against AM !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,145 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The Catholic Church should make a contribution to Spirit Radio and have a proper MW service, move it to the Tullamore mast for better coverage instead of trying to install fm txs all over the place.
    As far RTE in the advent of closing LW and the failure of DAB launching, they must improve their FM signal especially on the sub txs. A lot of Hiss sound is heard on R1, Today FM from the same site (cnoc on oir) is cyistal clear.

    There appears to be a pattern of Today FM having double the power of RTE on a lot of transmitter sites. Even down to 40 watts as against 20 in Athlone. But Today FM do not have a presence on as many as RTE.

    Knockanore is 2 kW for Today FM and 1 kW for RTE.

    http://www.frequencyfinder.org.uk/Irish_Radio.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    There appears to be a pattern of Today FM having double the power of RTE on a lot of transmitter sites. Even down to 40 watts as against 20 in Athlone. But Today FM do not have a presence on as many as RTE.

    Knockanore is 2 kW for Today FM and 1 kW for RTE.

    http://www.frequencyfinder.org.uk/Irish_Radio.pdf

    Just seen the frequency finder, that explains it, thanks, I'm quite shocking to be honest. RTE needs to increase the power at least on the smaller transmitters. Good for Today FM, excellent signal all round


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    That document is wrong. Most Today FM transmitters are the same power as RTE, lower in certain ones. Both RTE and Today FM are pushing 100k from Mount Leinster. Not 200k or 400k.

    In recent years Today FM have diversified away from being exclusively cosited/cotransmitted with RTE services (Three Rock, Fermoy, Athlone) etc.

    In most cases power upgrades will not increase coverage. I can't think of anywhere that has poor RTE radio reception due to transmitter ERP. A few more relays wouldn't go astray in areas shielded by terrain.

    In many places, several RTE radio frequencies can be received. In Cork, Radio 1 can be received on 88.2 (Crosshaven), 88.5 (Dungarvan), 89.2 (Spur Hill - main Cork TX), 89.7 (Collins Barracks) and 90.0 (Mullaghanish). Similarly in Limerick - 88.2 (Truskmore - car radio only), 88.4 (Knockmoyle), 88.8 (Maghera), 89.1 (Kippure), 89.2 (Knockanore), 89.4 (Woodcock Hill - main Limerick TX), 89.6 (Mount Leinster) & 90.0 (Mullaghanish).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,145 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The document claims to be up to date as of 7/1/18. I know it is easy to receive FM signals well outside the official service area of transmitters. But someone living in e.g. Kerry could hardly claim to be au fait with reception conditions everywhere in e.g Donegal or Louth.

    http://www.frequencyfinder.org.uk/


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,702 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    The document claims to be up to date as of 7/1/18. I know it is easy to receive FM signals well outside the official service area of transmitters. But someone living in e.g. Kerry could hardly claim to be au fait with reception conditions everywhere in e.g Donegal or Louth.

    http://www.frequencyfinder.org.uk/

    I don't have it to hand but there was a previous revision of that document in 2017 that was correct.

    It's possible that the new powers include total permittable power across both polarisation, but all transmitters use vertical only to my knowlege


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭burnsey1987


    Perhaps if our licence (broadcast) fee included free nationwide streaming access I might consider it. Otherwise, as burnsey1987 says, why pay to access public radio. The internet is still too fragile, sparse and vulnerable to attack. We should never put all our eggs in one basket. Given the choice of using a small box on the window sill or having earphones on all the time, I know which I prefer.

    The problem with an internet-only broadcasting model is that it requires the listener on the receiving end to have a subscription with an ISP or use their mobile data allowance, which is not reasonable IMO.

    Whereas all I need to do to listen to the radio or watch television is to pick up a radio set for about 20 quid or put up an aerial. These methods will also work in areas where internet coverage isn’t good enough for streaming, buying the equipment and paying the license fee is the only expense required. That’s the reason why the internet simply cannot replace traditional broadcasting media


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    I hoped we don't go down the road of streaming or Internet Radio (my god) give us DAB if thats the case. I remember in 2000 when the Cnoc on Oir site was activated it had a power output of 2kw, it was fantastic. Why did they reduce it to 1kw? Are RTE in time trying to close it! Its the very same with LW 252, they keep reducing the power.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not only that but I can install a set of batteries in my radios and replace them weeks later or sometimes months. Can't do that with a phone, or internet radio.

    Having said that my Roberts R100 has an option lithium battery and that's pretty handy. No AM only DAB+ , FM and internet radio. DAB 0 coverage...... I'd rather AM for feck sake.

    Another problem is can't take the feck1ng thing out of the house too far or the signal dies, internet radio dies and so stuck with the hideous pop crap on FM, and I can't stand it !

    Why do they seem to think everyone wants to listen to pop rubbish all the time on most stations ? The radio is large enough for a decent AM antenna and it would cost feck all to include AM, ridiculous decisions they make, trying to force the way we listen to radio.

    Maxi used to play decent Music on Rising time now Shay's music choice isn't the best I have to say and I'm not a fan of him to be honest. But I wonder is the music choice that of the DJ these days anyway ? I don't really think it is.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I just heard an Ad on Tay 2 1161 Khz , they really went on about the benefits of Digital radio in the car "amazing crackle free Audio" "if you haven't got a digital radio in your car you can get an adaptor" They're really pushing digital radio on that station, another one that wants rid of that O'l Devil called AM !

    Then I heard something like, "if you got a digital radio in your car then you're set for the future"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 212 ✭✭burnsey1987


    I just heard an Ad on Tay 2 1161 Khz , they really went on about the benefits of Digital radio in the car "amazing crackle free Audio" "if you haven't got a digital radio in your car you can get an adaptor" They're really pushing digital radio on that station, another one that wants rid of that O'l Devil called AM !

    Then I heard something like, "if you got a digital radio in your car then you're set for the future"

    Ah stop I was listening to Absolute and heard an advert really selling DAB radio and how it gives a crystal clear signal in your car. Eh, yeh, maybe in central London, the people who made that advert were obviously never in Wrexham, Cumbria or many other parts of the UK where there is barely any FM coverage, never mind DAB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,145 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The future of FM on the BBC has been secured in the UK. This will probably encourage the commercial broadcasters to follow suit. And I can't see Ireland being different.

    http://digitalradioinsider.blogspot.ie/2018/03/bbc-halts-switch-off-for-fm-radio.html

    Nothing is going to save Long Wave and Medium Wave in the long term. Long Wave is a rarity on new car radios, and many portables are now just FM and DAB with not even MW.

    But while FM is safe for the time being, I fear for the future of Satellite TV and Radio. As better speeds through fibre become the norm, IPTV will gradually replace Satellite. IPTV is not TV at all no more than Internet Radio is radio, but they is sold as such by the ISP's. Even here on Boards many of the discussions on the Satellite forum are dedicated to IPTV subjects. That shows how much the lines have become blurred.


  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    On the plus for MW it might hopefully encourage a lot more pirates when the commercial stations are gone and have destroyed their transmitters and antenna arrays.

    I'd love to buy one, and have an SW station with maybe 3 or 4 transmitters and different antenna arrays so I could beam towards a particular continent.

    I don't ask for much do I ? :D


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  • Posts: 12,708 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In the U.S AM/SW will be around for decades, why do they tend to give people what they want in the USA and in Europe we're told the way it's going to be ? I really hate Europe sometimes !!!


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