Irish judge stops extradition of Polish citizen...

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oh, yes, we need elected judges and guns, loads more guns and a billionaire political leader from a reality tv show to be elected. Why do some people here always propose ideas from the most fúcked up society in the western world? Culturally, Poland and Hungary are both politically backward, authoritarian populist holes. Democracy has always been on very shaky foundations in both countries.

The US is ****ed up. There was a time however when it was a huge democratic experiment (long before the oligarchy it is today). And direct elections of officials was part of that. In parts of New England decisions are still made by town meetings. No council. In any case I was wondering why a system that prevails in the US and doesn’t thwart extradition to the US does so here.

Your anti polish and anti Hungarian hysteria does you no credit. That said I wonder where this hysteria was when the EU was being expanded. Back then comments like yours would have been dismissed as xenophobia. I am not sure why they aren’t now.

We are blessed to live in Ireland. Yes, we might be happier if we were in Finland, but we're still doing a lot better than any of the examples usually trotted out here.

PS: Of course, this Irish judge was not deciding any such thing; she was forwarding the issue on to the EU to decide it.

She has left a guy in limbo. Justice has been stalled. Presumably other countries continue to extradite to Poland and are waiting on an actual ruling from the EU regarding Poland. Simply put if the EU thinks that the Polish legal system is broken it needs to expel Poland.

Nobody can accuse the Irish judiciary of a surplus of intellect but this ruling means that, as long as this ruling isn’t overturned (and she seems to have bypassed the Supreme Court) and as long as Poland remains in the EU, Ireland is a sanctuary for every single Polish criminal. Anybody facing charges over there just needs a Ryanair ticket and they can come here and flee justice. The floodgates are now open.

This is a lone judge making her own law and basically ending a legal agreement between EU states (one constitutionally binding here).

It’s insane. Until the ECJ rules Ireland is a sanctuary for Polish criminals, if it rules in her favour all the EU is a sanctuary for Polish criminals and the only response is to expel it. Until now the EU was sabre rattling and probably would have just fined Poland.

Only solution is to send the ruling to the Supreme Court. I believe the president can do that.

end of the road wrote: »

in this case our judiciary is perfectly fine. if a justice system of another EU country is under attack then the judge can decide that it isn't up to standard and isn't fit for purpose and can decide not to deport somebody but refer the matter to europe.

Under attack by whom? Until the EU decides that the Poles are not a legalistic nation the Irish judiciary does not have the right to overturn the EU constitution which has very specific rules on extradition and which is constitutionally binding here.

currently he isn't guilty given he hasn't been found guilty. so therefore he can go nowhere until the EU says otherwise.

Another genius who thinks guilt has to be proven prior to extradition.

TheChizler wrote: »

Maybe you should be referring to the poster being quoted in the post you quoted?

I did. At the top. Same guy. This wasn’t a multi quote.

bear1 wrote: »

I mentioned this yes and?
You also can't extradite just like that which you seem to think you can.

We have an extradition agreement with all EU member states. The EU commission has not expelled Poland. That agreement still stands.

Her ludicrous lone wolf decision either forces the ECJ to accept that Poland is broadly legal - which presumably will be the outcome - or expel it. We can hardly have free movement and no extradition.

Since the result of the existing investigation was merely an invocation on article 7, which isn’t an expulsion but a fine, she clearly overstepped her bounds here. Poland hasn’t been expelled. As to bypassing the Supreme Court, what’s that about? And apparently her ruling will have knock on effects across the union.


I said earlier that extradition is constitutional. I’m not sure if it is, if it was part of those agreements we codified into the constitution or not. I do know it’s legaly binding however.

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s the way extradition works.

We dont extradite willy nilly to countries where there is no proper and established rule of law, banana republics Poland.
The Judge did her job and did it admirably.