UK: Up to 1,000 children ‘drugged, beaten and raped’ in Telford grooming scandal

Pepefrogok · 13-03-2018 07:26PM

Aegir wrote: »

Then you must know how difficult it is to keep tabs on them. Hell, mine goes out with her friends on a Saturday afternoon and with a leap card, can get all over town and back in time for tea

why are people obsessed with this being covered up?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-43385049

If you follow the links in the article, it takes you to numerous stories on the BBC site about this.

Because it isn't front page news on what you see (remember, you see the international version of the BBC website) it doesn't mean it is being covered up.

That said, I do feel the police are scared to act for fear of being branded racist.

Put it this way, if news had broken that gangs of white men has specifically targeted thousands of ethnic minority children do you think it would have had the same prominence in the media? I believe it would be the first article on every bulletin, their would be riots, the government might even collapse.there have been so many examples of the government/media/police etc covering up for these people, most don't doubt it anymore, especially when they can literally see it happen

Sofiztikated · 13-03-2018 07:30PM

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Put it this way, if news had broken that gangs of white men has specifically targeted thousands of ethnic minority children do you think it would have had the same prominence in the media? I believe it would be the first article on every bulletin, their would be riots, the government might even collapse.there have been so many examples of the government/media/police etc covering up for these people, most don't doubt it anymore, especially when they can literally see it happen

You mean like that group of people that were arrested, last week, in Tipperary, that got bare coverage?

Captain Obvious · 13-03-2018 09:23PM

I never cease to be amazed at the scale of child abuse still going on. Seems like we've done a better job at convincing people drink driving is wrong than convincing them child abuse is. I hope these victims get some proper care, support and validation

splinter65 · 13-03-2018 09:53PM

Sofiztikated wrote: »

You mean like that group of people that were arrested, last week, in Tipperary, that got bare coverage?

That’s not fair. And it’s dishonest of you because you know perfectly well that the judge put an extraordinary gagging order on that case in order to protect the identity of the children.
There is no comparison between the north of England paedophile scandal and the one in limerick .

splinter65 · 13-03-2018 09:59PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I never cease to be amazed at the scale of child abuse still going on. Seems like we've done a better job at convincing people drink driving is wrong than convincing them child abuse is. I hope these victims get some proper care, support and validation

The media have been doing an excellent job for 25 years of convincing the people that only priests are paedophiles.
The whole child abuse within families and communities is far too uncomfortable for people to tolerate and won’t sell papers.
TUSLA in fairness have been trying to tell people for years that sometimes mammy and daddy aren’t fit for purpose but it’s too horrible to contemplate so it’s brushed under the carpet.
The boogie man is a stranger in a white van with black hair and a beard sitting in your estate.

gooch2k9 · 13-03-2018 10:06PM

Aegir wrote: »

Then you must know how difficult it is to keep tabs on them. Hell, mine goes out with her friends on a Saturday afternoon and with a leap card, can get all over town and back in time for tea

why are people obsessed with this being covered up?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-43385049

If you follow the links in the article, it takes you to numerous stories on the BBC site about this.

Because it isn't front page news on what you see (remember, you see the international version of the BBC website) it doesn't mean it is being covered up.

That said, I do feel the police are scared to act for fear of being branded racist.

It wasn't front page news on the UK version either, the one I see every day. Not accusing them of a cover up, but I did find it strange there was nothing on the story on the BBC until today. When I first saw the headlines, I went to the BBC website, and nada. I even searched and got nothing.

ceadaoin. · 13-03-2018 11:42PM

gooch2k9 wrote: »

It wasn't front page news on the UK version either, the one I see every day. Not accusing them of a cover up, but I did find it strange there was nothing on the story on the BBC until today. When I first saw the headlines, I went to the BBC website, and nada. I even searched and got nothing.

Yes, I did this when I first saw the story and aside from a few old articles about the individual trials, it wasn't there. I see it is now though

MilesMorales1 · 13-03-2018 11:46PM

Is there a reason the BBC isn't covering this? If I was a cynical type, I'd think they were exploding this Russian thing to avoid having it headline news.

The Black Oil · 14-03-2018 12:27AM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Is there a reason the BBC isn't covering this? If I was a cynical type, I'd think they were exploding this Russian thing to avoid having it headline news.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-43385049

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-43391605

Pepefrogok · 14-03-2018 12:33AM

The Black Oil wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-43385049

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-43391605

Exactly! BBC tucking it away in their Shropshire regional service 8 hrs ago! While we all know if a few details of this story were different it would be main story home page all day every day! Good catch black oil!

Pepefrogok · 14-03-2018 01:13AM

Deleating this post because mods deleting the conversation has ruined the context.

Summer In the City · 14-03-2018 01:23AM

Pepefrogok wrote: »

I picked it to highlight how ridiculous the far left have become, and how easily influenced they are, what next?.

I hope you recognise the irony in this. The alt right barely exist in the real world. They are for the most part online anonymous trolls leading other anonymous trolls with half truths and flat out made up facts.

Pepefrogok · 14-03-2018 01:28AM

What just happened? Did a lot of posts disappear?

Zaph · 14-03-2018 01:30AM

Pepefrogok wrote: »

What just happened? Did a lot of posts disappear?

We had a re-reg troll posting in the thread. It's normal policy to delete their posts and any posts quoting them after they're banned.

Pepefrogok · 14-03-2018 01:30AM

Summer In the City wrote: »

I hope you recognise the irony in this. The alt right barely exist in the real world. They are for the most part online anonymous trolls leading other anonymous trolls with half truths and flat out made up facts.

I hope you recognise the irony, if they barely exist why such outrage over a cartoon frog?

Summer In the City · 14-03-2018 01:34AM

Pepefrogok wrote: »

I hope you recognise the irony, if they barely exist why such outrage over a cartoon frog?

I don't think anyone is outraged. It's juvenile nonsense. But at the same time i'd say you're not showing up in work on casual friday's wearing a Pepe shirt. In fact i've never seen anyone out in the pub wearing anything featuring our amphibious friend, why do you think that is?

Assetbacked · 14-03-2018 01:48AM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Is there a reason the BBC isn't covering this? If I was a cynical type, I'd think they were exploding this Russian thing to avoid having it headline news.

BBC has an agenda, summarized with the following causes;
- BAME are untouchable and no stories should be published which may lead to them being painted in a negative light.
- trans issues are very important and should be relevant to all of the population.
- Russia is the bogeyman.

The BBC will never, ever taint Islam with labels of terrorism and instead merely refer to extremists rather than Islamic extremists.

With the Telford story, it is not being shown prominently and there is zero evidence of the BBC carrying out its own investigation. The way its articles on the scandal are written, a lot of quotation marks are used. For example, a Telford MP said white working class girls aren’t protected and the head of child protection in England said tough cultural questions need to be asked. The BBC are just quoting these people and not discussing what they are saying. The fact there could be a link to the religion or the culture of the perpetrators is not something the BBC would touch. However, if BBC, as a national broadcaster won’t have a discussion about possible links, why is it surprising when people then paint Muslim cultures with one sweeping negative stroke?

However, and what is truly shocking, is that when the BBC did finally add colour to the story, they published their own suspicion as to the link between the perpetrators. See the attached screenshot from the article. It beggars belief but clear as day, the bbc reckon that the perpetrators are linked through their employment for or connections with......fast food restaurants.

Let that sink in; the bbc will not comment on the cultural or religious links between the perpetrators and the crimes. Instead they propose a link between their connection to fast food restaurants. And people wonder why brexit happened when The BBC insults a huge chunk of the population by avoiding issues that people are screaming out for a discussion on.

Summer In the City · 14-03-2018 01:58AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Let that sink in; the bbc will not comment on the cultural or religious links between the perpetrators and the crimes.

They can't do that because it will set a precedent where they will have to do the same for all crimes. So you will have headlines like "Irish catholic gang scamming elderly people in Manchester" or "English christian yobs fight at football game in Chester" and so on. It reinforces stereotypes that aren't fair on the vast majority of upstanding citizens and will lead to further hate crimes.

The fact is that the vast majority of Muslims in Britain or anywhere else are not engaged in pedophile sex rings.

end of the road · 14-03-2018 02:01AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

And people wonder why brexit happened when The BBC insults a huge chunk of the population by avoiding issues that people are screaming out for a discussion on.

well yes many of us do wonder why, given that brexit won't have any effect in relation to the bbc supposibly insulting some of the population by avoiding issues. the bbc and government aren't going to change because of brexit.

Assetbacked · 14-03-2018 02:05AM

Summer In the City wrote: »

They can't do that because it will set a precedent where they will have to do the same for all crimes. So you will have headlines like "Irish catholic gang scamming elderly people in Manchester" or "English christian yobs fight at football game in Chester" and so on. It reinforces stereotypes that aren't fair on the vast majority of upstanding citizens and will lead to further hate crimes.

The fact is that the vast majority of Muslims in Britain or anywhere else are not engaged in pedophile sex rings.

I disagree. See this article where the colour black as used in art is being argued as racist http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20180312-the-racist-message-hidden-in-a-masterpiece this article is being portrayed as a legitimate argument despite it being a piece of poo, having read it twice now. The BBC will not touch certain groups.

Assetbacked · 14-03-2018 02:09AM

end of the road wrote: »

well yes many of us do wonder why, given that brexit won't have any effect in relation to the bbc supposibly insulting some of the population by avoiding issues. the bbc and government aren't going to change because of brexit.

Brexit happened because people were fed up not being made feel like they were listened to. Part of that problem is the BBC not even discussing the merits of claiming Islamic culture is fundamentally misogynistic and this manifests itself in extreme ways regularly with rape being justified to many perpetrators on the basis of their religious beliefs. People are curious as to the merits of this but these arguments are tossed aside as “far-right” and a throw back to nazi times. As such they are not discussed which causes people to;

(1) make their own uneducated conclusions.
(2) get frustrated at what the perceive to be the establishment and launch protest votes.

Summer In the City · 14-03-2018 02:13AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

The BBC will not touch certain groups.

They are reporting it though. In the same way they report all their stories where they don't mention the race or religion of the subject unless it is relevant.

Assetbacked · 14-03-2018 02:17AM

Summer In the City wrote: »

They are reporting it though. In the same way they report all their stories where they don't mention the race or religion of the subject unless it is relevant.

It seems to be relevant given this is yet another high profile incident of Asian sex gangs in the UK. Almost pandemic at this stage. However, at the very least, why are the BBC not investigating the claims that the police did not act on tip offs for fear of being called racist? That is troubling to think about; police sitting on information about paedophiles for fear of being called racist.

end of the road · 14-03-2018 02:21AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Brexit happened because people were fed up not being made feel like they were listened to. Part of that problem is the BBC not even discussing the merits of claiming Islamic culture is fundamentally misogynistic and this manifests itself in extreme ways regularly with rape being justified to many perpetrators on the basis of their religious beliefs. People are curious as to the merits of this but these arguments are tossed aside as “far-right” and a throw back to nazi times. As such they are not discussed which causes people to;

(1) make their own uneducated conclusions.
(2) get frustrated at what the perceive to be the establishment and launch protest votes.

i sort of get that, but those people are simply shooting themselves in the foot. government and anyone else aren't going to change because of a protest vote. in fact, a protest vote may make the authorities more determined to cover up things like this and not listen to people.

The Legend Of Kira · 14-03-2018 02:31AM

Summer In the City wrote: »

Pepefrogok wrote: »

I picked it to highlight how ridiculous the far left have become, and how easily influenced they are, what next?.

I hope you recognise the irony in this. The alt right barely exist in the real world. They are for the most part online anonymous trolls leading other anonymous trolls with half truths and flat out made up facts.

Depending on what some may call or label as " alt right " In Italy recently a new right wing party done well enough- some might say that they are " alt right " while others might say they are not, but if you or others consider them to be " alt right " they polled well enough in that recent election .

ceadaoin. · 14-03-2018 02:31AM

Summer In the City wrote: »

They are reporting it though. In the same way they report all their stories where they don't mention the race or religion of the subject unless it is relevant.

So when a Catholic priest is arrested for child abuse they don't mention that fact? Hard to believe that and a search on the BBC website for "Catholic priest abuse" returns dozens of articles. Would it be ok if they referred to them as people who worked in churches instead? People who dress in black? Why should this be treated any differently? The takeaway thing is totally irrelevant, aside from the fact that a lot girls were raped in them according to the reports.

Summer In the City · 14-03-2018 02:36AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

So when a Catholic priest is arrested for child abuse they don't mention that fact? Hard to believe that and a search on the BBC website for "Catholic priest abuse" returns dozens of articles

It's very relevant when it is a Catholic priest. Just like it would be relevant to mention it if it was an Imam. When the Rte sport producer was caught they mentioned his job title but not his race or creed because it is irrelevant.

ceadaoin. · 14-03-2018 02:43AM

Summer In the City wrote: »

It's very relevant when it is a Catholic priest. Just like it would be relevant to mention it if it was an Imam. When the Rte sport producer was caught they mentioned his job title but not his race or creed because it is irrelevant.

It is relevant here though because they were specifically targeting girls based on the fact that they were not the same race or Creed as them.

They can name the problem and shockingly people will understand that they aren't referring to all Asians/Muslims/ pakistanis or whatever. Completely refusing the address the obvious is not going to help and will only lead ordinary people further to the right

Summer In the City · 14-03-2018 03:01AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It is relevant here though because they were specifically targeting girls based on the fact that they were not the same race or Creed as them.

They can name the problem and shockingly people will understand that they aren't referring to all Asians/Muslims/ pakistanis or whatever. Completely refusing the address the obvious is not going to help and will only lead ordinary people further to the right

As far as I can see they are naming anyone arrested. No different to anyone else. The takeaway thing is their job, just like the RTE guy or a Priest etc. This is the standard practice.

How do you expect the reporter to know if they they are Shiite, Sunni, Ibadi or any of the other Muslim religions. Some people in these gangs were white and British.

They can't come out and say they are Muslim gangs like you want because even if it was relevant it is way too broad a term. A quarter of the population of the world are Muslim.

The Legend Of Kira · 14-03-2018 03:02AM

A quote from this article linked below.

"" [font=Georgia, serif]Police avoided sharing information about the abusers with Telford’s Asian community for fear of being called racist, "" .[/font]

[font=Georgia, serif]https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/03/british-police-failed-stop-child-sex-ring-over-racism-fears/[/font]

When the Police are afraid of being called " racist " you know political correctness has gotten even madder altogether- no matter what race/class/background/religion someone has,, criminality is criminality & if people are involved in criminality they need to be punished for it .

UK: Up to 1,000 children ‘drugged, beaten and raped’ in Telford grooming scandal

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