The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Elmer Blooker · 13-03-2018 02:42PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

options 1 and 2. Having watched some members of the russian public being interviewed this has played really well with them. They were all applauding the murder of a traitor.

"Having watched" .... on British state controlled television?
They are hardly going to show a member of the Russian public claiming it was a false flag to discredit Russia are they?

attempted murder then.

You forgot to mention the "evidence" - "highly likely"

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2018 02:49PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

"Having watched" .... on British state controlled television?
They are hardly going to show a member of the Russian public claiming it was a false flag to discredit Russia are they?

You forgot to mention the "evidence" - "highly likely"

you mean the nerve agent only produced in russian state labs?

ArchXStanton · 13-03-2018 02:52PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you mean the nerve agent only produced in russian state labs?

I believe the Russians have asked for a sample of the nerve agent,so far the UK hasn't responded

na1 · 13-03-2018 02:54PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

"Having watched" .... on British state controlled television?
They are hardly going to show a member of the Russian public claiming it was a false flag to discredit Russia are they?

You forgot to mention the "evidence" - "highly likely"

you mean the nerve agent only produced in russian state labs?

You mean if somebody was killed with AK-47 we can blame Russians?

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2018 02:59PM

na1 wrote: »

You mean if somebody was killed with AK-47 we can blame Russians?

as analogies go that is about as weak as it gets.

na1 · 13-03-2018 03:01PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

na1 wrote: »

You mean if somebody was killed with AK-47 we can blame Russians?

as analogies go that is about as weak as it gets.

Do you believe or have supporting statements from the UK officials that no one can produce that nerve agent?

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2018 03:04PM

na1 wrote: »

Do you believe or have supporting statements from the UK officials that no one can produce that nerve agent?

The UK have made it quite clear that the nerve agent was only produced by russian labs (or possibly only one). so either the russians did it themselves or they have lost control of a deadly nerve agent. the first makes them terrorists the second makes them incompetent.

na1 · 13-03-2018 03:15PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

na1 wrote: »

Do you believe or have supporting statements from the UK officials that no one can produce that nerve agent?

The UK have made it quite clear that the nerve agent was only produced by russian labs (or possibly only one). so either the russians did it themselves or they have lost control of a deadly nerve agent. the first makes them terrorists the second makes them incompetent.

Really? do you have a link?
AFAIK they even refused to provide details

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2018 03:20PM

na1 wrote: »

Really? do you have a link?
AFAIK they even refused to provide details

yes really. try to read the news occasionally. RT doesnt count.

Discodog · 13-03-2018 03:20PM

na1 wrote: »

Really? do you have a link?
AFAIK they even refused to provide details

Porton Down is close by & it has the best experts in the World.

It's unlikely that there are samples of the agent. If they are they will be in micro quantities.

It's some coincidence that Russian TV had an item warning "traitors" not to seek sanctuary in the UK.

na1 · 13-03-2018 03:24PM

The official statement from the UK officials?

The only source that I have is:
https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2018/0313/947005-nerve-agent-attack/

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2018 03:26PM

na1 wrote: »

The official statement from the UK officials?

The only source that I have is:
https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2018/0313/947005-nerve-agent-attack/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43381880

na1 · 13-03-2018 03:30PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

na1 wrote: »

The official statement from the UK officials?

The only source that I have is:
https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2018/0313/947005-nerve-agent-attack/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-43381880

Do you believe that clowness?
[font=Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Mrs May said the UK must "stand ready to take much more extensive measures" against Russia than it had previously.[/font]

Billy86 · 13-03-2018 03:32PM

The US response to this shows what we already knew - Putin knows they won't do a thing over this. The secretary of state there (who Putin previously awarded the Russian Medal of Friendship) even said it clearly was Russia behind this, and to the surprise of exactly nobody within hours he was sacked by Putin's subordinate in the White House.

This is just another example of how Britain has f***ed itself with Brexit, they're a sitting duck here - take military action and the US won't have anything to do with it (and that's the best case scenario!), take the sanctions route and you no longer have the clout of the EU behind you and face losing the absurd amount of Russian money in London.

Laurel & Hardy seem apt to quote here, another fine mess Britain has gotten itself into.

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2018 03:34PM

na1 wrote: »

Do you believe that clowness?
[font=Helmet, Freesans, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Mrs May said the UK must "stand ready to take much more extensive measures" against Russia than it had previously.[/font]

Oh i'm sure they will the best part of SFA. that doesnt change who did it.

na1 · 13-03-2018 03:38PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that doesnt change who did it.

Let me guess: the crystal ball?

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2018 03:43PM

na1 wrote: »

Let me guess: the crystal ball?

You really do need to stop reading RT. Or start reading it better. hard to tell which.

na1 · 13-03-2018 03:47PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

na1 wrote: »

Let me guess: the crystal ball?

You really do need to stop reading RT. Or start reading it better. hard to tell which.

Could you please send me a link to RT so I can finally read it?
I'm mostly reading BBC & The independent, none of them tell who did it.

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2018 03:49PM

na1 wrote: »

Could you please send me a link to RT so I can finally read it?
I'm mostly reading BBC & The independent, none of them tell who did it.

i must have imagined that link to the bbc i posted.

Elmer Blooker · 13-03-2018 03:52PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you mean the nerve agent only produced in russian state labs?

Soviet Union labs.
There is the possibility of an Uzbekistan connection? I'm not saying there is because there has to be something called evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent#Description_of_Novichok_agents

ohnonotgmail · 13-03-2018 03:57PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Soviet Union labs.
There is the possibility of an Uzbekistan connection? I'm not saying there is because there has to be something called evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novichok_agent#Description_of_Novichok_agents

you think the russians just left it there when uzbekistan became independent?

Elmer Blooker · 13-03-2018 04:15PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I believe the Russians have asked for a sample of the nerve agent,so far the UK hasn't responded

That reminds me, whatever happened to the doctor who came to the aid of Yulia Skripal by "clearing her airways" as she sat on the bench? You would think the doctor would be seriously ill having coming into such close proximity with Yulia Skripal. All mention of this doctor has been completely dropped from news reports but we are still hearing about how ill the policeman who also came to the woman's aid is?

Cheerful Spring · 13-03-2018 04:27PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Nah, they aren't looking, they already have it, namely proof of the use of chemical weapons. If they US does react, hopefully it will be with cruise missiles aimed at Assad personally. What brilliant coup that would be - offing Assad while he's under Russian 'protection'.

Ghouta is a suburb of Damascus, this is not good, the US wants to go it alone and attack Syrian forces located there. If they hit Russian forces we could be looking at potential clash. I think Trump is smart enough to avoid least I hope he is? Russia has warned US forces not do attack Ghouta. I also hearing talk John Bolton may replace Mcmaster as the national security advisor. A scary appointment as John Bolton is literally the worst warmonger inside the United States right now.

News today.
The Russian military has threatened action against the U.S. if it strikes Syria's capital city of Damascus, according to multiple news reports.

The threat, by Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov, was widely reported by Russia media sites such as state news agency RIA and Tass. It said Gerasimov said Russia had "reliable information" about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians.

Gerasimov said Russia would respond to a U.S. strike on Syria if the lives of Russian servicemen were threatened, targeting any missiles and launchers involved.

"In case there is a threat to the lives of our military, the Russian Armed Force will take retaliatory measures both over the missiles and carriers that will use them," he said.

cnocbui · 13-03-2018 04:32PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

That reminds me, whatever happened to the doctor who came to the aid of Yulia Skripal by "clearing her airways" as she sat on the bench? You would think the doctor would be seriously ill having coming into such close proximity with Yulia Skripal. All mention of this doctor has been completely dropped from news reports but we are still hearing about how ill the policeman who also came to the woman's aid is?

There is no UK, it's all a conspiracy.

The policeman fell ill after visiting Skripal's home, so it might be they contacted the nerve agent there and had only trace amounts on them in localised locations and the Dr was lucky enough not to have touched those.

Former London police chief Ian Blair hinted Friday that a police officer who was in serious condition after coming in contact with the unidentified toxin had visited the home of ex-spy Sergei Skripal during the initial investigation.

Cheerful Spring · 13-03-2018 04:46PM

ArchXStanton wrote: »

I believe the Russians have asked for a sample of the nerve agent,so far the UK hasn't responded

Strange the UK will not allow Russia a sample to test to see where it came from? Why are they so afraid to allow this?

Apparently, another Russian has just been found dead in London, natural causes or suspicious death not known yet.

Russian exile who was close friends with the late oligarch Boris Berezovsky has been found dead in his London home, according to friends.

Nikolai Glushkov was discovered by his family and friends late on Monday night, aged 68. The cause of death is not yet clear. One of his friends, the newspaper editor Damian Kudryavtsev, .

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/russian-exile-nikolai-glushkov-found-dead-at-his-london-home

In the 1990s, Glushkov worked for the state airline Aeroflot and Berezovsky’s LogoVAZ car company. In 1999, as Berezovsky fell out with Putin and fled to the UK, Glushkov was charged with money laundering and fraud. He spent five years in jail and was freed in 2004.

In recent years, Glushkov had lived in London, where he received political asylum. In 2011, he gave evidence at the court case brought by Berezovsky against his fellow oligarch Roman Abramovich, who remained on good terms with the Kremlin.

ArchXStanton · 13-03-2018 06:51PM

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

That reminds me, whatever happened to the doctor who came to the aid of Yulia Skripal by "clearing her airways" as she sat on the bench? You would think the doctor would be seriously ill having coming into such close proximity with Yulia Skripal. All mention of this doctor has been completely dropped from news reports but we are still hearing about how ill the policeman who also came to the woman's aid is?

Pity the white helmets\actors\stage hands\camera crew weren't around..

Discodog · 13-03-2018 07:53PM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Strange the UK will not allow Russia a sample to test to see where it came from? Why are they so afraid to allow this?

Apparently, another Russian has just been found dead in London, natural causes or suspicious death not known yet.

Russian exile who was close friends with the late oligarch Boris Berezovsky has been found dead in his London home, according to friends.

Nikolai Glushkov was discovered by his family and friends late on Monday night, aged 68. The cause of death is not yet clear. One of his friends, the newspaper editor Damian Kudryavtsev, .

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/13/russian-exile-nikolai-glushkov-found-dead-at-his-london-home

In the 1990s, Glushkov worked for the state airline Aeroflot and Berezovsky’s LogoVAZ car company. In 1999, as Berezovsky fell out with Putin and fled to the UK, Glushkov was charged with money laundering and fraud. He spent five years in jail and was freed in 2004.

In recent years, Glushkov had lived in London, where he received political asylum. In 2011, he gave evidence at the court case brought by Berezovsky against his fellow oligarch Roman Abramovich, who remained on good terms with the Kremlin.

Really ? I can just imagine Putin blaming on Chechens or Ukraine. Or maybe he would say sorry we did it ? Or someone stole our nerve agent because we aren't secure.

Plus there won't be a sample. It's used in minute quantities & some are designed to deteriorate quickly.

Dohnjoe · 14-03-2018 01:09AM

Dinarius wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate....

1. If you wanted to kill someone, would you make it so screamingly obvious that it might be you (i.e. Russia) by using a nerve agent that you are known to possess or be an expert in? Or would you take him out using a standard, untraceable method - gun sourced in UK, knife, strangulation, whatever...?

2. If you really wanted the PR, yes, you would use a chemical nerve agent you were known to possess. But, did Vlad need the publicity? Makes him look macho in the run in to the election, perhaps?

3. If you wanted to frame someone, would you (e.g. MI5/MI6) use a chemical nerve agent known to be associated with an enemy, to take out someone they themselves would like to see dead? You might well do.

4. ....anything else?

Whatever the truth of what has happened in Salisbury, it has all the hallmarks of bad James Bond.

D.

It's for the PR. The current regime in Russia appears to take betrayal very seriously and in interviews, Putin and other officials, e.g. Klimov have (whilst at the same time denying it) heavily hinted that no traitors are safe, especially in the UK. There is no mistaking the message they are sending.

Other members of the family died in suspicious circumstances - didn't gain many column inches. However killing someone with polonium/military grade nerve agent - significant attention

The Kremlin has been offing political opponents, ex-spies, journalists, lawyers, etc for decades.. it doesn't affect Putin in the polls in the slightest

Elmer Blooker · 14-03-2018 01:26AM

Dohnjoe wrote: »

The Kremlin has been offing political opponents, ex-spies, journalists, lawyers, etc for decades.. it doesn't affect Putin in the polls in the slightest

The worst excesses of criminality, corruption, gangsterism, mafiosi etc was during the Yeltsin era, remember him? Maybe a reminder is in order.

With low support, Yeltsin resorted to some means to realize the turnaround: money, control of the mass media, use of "black arts" to disrupt the Communists' campaign and manipulation of the vote count. Russia's electoral law limited campaign spending to $3 million for each candidate. The Communist Party did not have the financial resources to overspend the limit. However, estimates of the funds spent by the Yeltsin campaign range from $700 million to $2 billion.

How on earth did old Boris manage to raise that amount of money in order to get elected?

Gatling · 14-03-2018 01:50AM

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

News today.
The Russian military has threatened action against the U.S. if it strikes Syria's capital city of Damascus, according to multiple news reports.

The threat, by Chief of Russia's General Staff Valery Gerasimov, was widely reported by Russia media sites such as state news agency RIA and Tass. It said Gerasimov said Russia had "reliable information" about militants preparing to falsify a government chemical attack against civilians.

Gerasimov said Russia would respond to a U.S. strike on Syria if the lives of Russian servicemen were threatened, targeting any missiles and launchers involved.

"In case there is a threat to the lives of our military, the Russian Armed Force will take retaliatory measures both over the missiles and carriers that will use them," he said.

Didn't they say that about Turkey , didn't they say that about Israel , didn't they say that before cruise missiles hit a Syrian base ,
Didn't American forces wipe out 400+ russian soldiers very recently in Syria ,

Seems putin has been bluffing his way through Syria ,
Chances are russian or Syrians forces will launch further chemical attacks in Syria and use the excuse it was someone else trying to make them look bad

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