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Bi-Mode Trains for DART Expansion?

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  • #32
    Jamie2k9
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    L1011 wrote: »
    Bi-mode is a stupid idea. Just because it exists doesn't mean we need it. EMU for Maynooth services and diesel beyond is fine.

    The canal and other constraints (college, college farm site, R148) make a depot north of Maynooth complicated.

    I see it as future proofing rather than "long term" operation of bi-mode units. They will remove the engines as soon as EMU is capable to Drogheda/Dundalk, M3 and Maynooth.


  • #33
    GM228
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    I see it as future proofing rather than "long term" operation of bi-mode units. They will remove the engines as soon as EMU is capable to Drogheda/Dundalk, M3 and Maynooth.

    Electrification to Maynooth/M3 should be ready when these trains are also ready to go.

    Drogheda electrification is not even mentioned in the 2019-2023 programme any more.

    I can't see them spending big money on electric/diesel only to remove the diesel and limiting their use.


  • #34
    Ireland trains
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    So we know they will be ordering 100 bi mode trains probably in 25 4 car trains but any idea when they will actually order them


  • #35
    Jamie2k9
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    Most likely within the next 12 months if they plan to have them in operation in 2021/22.


  • #36
    Ireland trains
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    It'll be interesting to see what they will look like


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  • #37
    Jamie2k9
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    Identical to the current 2900 fleet with minor changes. there will be no radical changes.


  • #38
    Ireland trains
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    Where did you get that information from


  • #39
    IE 222
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    Will they go for open gangways


  • #40
    Jamie2k9
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    Its just obvious, its a commuter trains and the 29s have a good layout already....
    Will they go for open gangways

    No idea, it would be a good idea in terms of capacity.


  • #41
    loyatemu
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    Its just obvious, its a commuter trains and the 29s have a good layout already....



    No idea, it would be a good idea in terms of capacity.

    The 29s are 20 years old, designs must have moved on somewhat since then - anyway they'll have to go to tender surely?


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  • #42
    L1011
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    CAF were selling very similar units until a few years ago at least, wouldn't be surprised if that's what they'd offer still


  • #43
    Jamie2k9
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    The 29s are 20 years old, designs must have moved on somewhat since then - anyway they'll have to go to tender surely?

    They were only build in 2002-2005. Yes they will go to tender but I wouldn't expect a major internal spec difference. There is not much you can do with a high capacity commuter unit.


  • #44
    dowlingm
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    CAF currently offer a Civity family of DMUs and EMUs. Presumably these are an evolution of the 29000/C3K/C4K platforms?
    http://www.caf.net/en/productos-servicios/familia/civity/index.php
    https://www.globalrailwayreview.com/news/67239/class-195-northern-track-testing/


  • #45
    tabbey
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    dowlingm wrote: »
    CAF currently offer a Civity family of DMUs and EMUs. Presumably these are an evolution of the 29000/C3K/C4K platforms?
    http://www.caf.net/en/productos-servicios/familia/civity/index.php
    https://www.globalrailwayreview.com/news/67239/class-195-northern-track-testing/

    The class 195 coaches for Northern in UK are similar to Irish Rail Mk IV, but Civity may be designed for the continental loading gauge. Does it fit Irish & UK loading gauge?


  • #46
    Jamie2k9
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    British Rail Class 769 is a newly converted EMU to Bi-Mode, testing was due to start around now but has been delayed.

    Not so sure about CAF, Asian manufacturers have been good for IE (22, 26, 28 etc) while the Mark IVs are poor and while the 29s are great they require a lot of work from what I gather. They need to get the contracts right with CAF if they are picked!


  • #47
    Marcusm
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    Jamie2k9 wrote: »
    British Rail Class 769 is a newly converted EMU to Bi-Mode, testing was due to start around now but has been delayed.

    Not so sure about CAF, Asian manufacturers have been good for IE (22, 26, 28 etc) while the Mark IVs are poor and while the 29s are great they require a lot of work from what I gather. They need to get the contracts right with CAF if they are picked!

    Those were 319 AC/DC trains which are now officially “Bimode”


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