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Extreme cold weather from Feb 25th on, and now St. Patrick's Day on...

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  • #902
    memorystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭memorystick


    Say my name wrote: »
    How'd they steer? With the side brakes? :D

    Ah seriously. Mustn't be much of a road if there's lumps of tarmac coming up.

    Relation is in hospital. So best place for them.


    Stop trying to be smart. It doesn't suit internet discussion and should be kept for face to face conversation if required.


  • #903
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,733 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    memorystick wrote: »
    Stop trying to be smart. It doesn't suit internet discussion and should be kept for face to face conversation if required.

    You're the one that stated that maybe some roads should be left uncleared because in your perception that rogue operators were destroying roads.

    I pointed out the fact that rogue operators or not, or even dodgy road surfaces. That by clearing the roads that lives were being saved.

    What was even more shocking was the fact that there were lazy hoors who wouldn't even clear their own driveways and yards let alone the road outside and then castigate the people who got off their backsides giving their own time and money to do so.


  • #904
    Muckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,171 ✭✭✭✭Muckit


    We didn't get a fraction of what ye got in Wexford but there were 2 agri crews working on contract for the council around here with loading shovels and tractor and spreader coming along behind. One was a 320 Komastu .... sure it would shift the world and all before it. Make a tractor and loader look like a toy.

    It doesnt seem like Wexford Co Co had the same resources in place and you'd think they could have easily have had what with all the big agri contractors down there. Perhaps they had? I'm just going by the television/internet vids etc

    It really shouldn't have been left to the goodwill of the farmer in a lot of cases, who had enough on his plate to keep everything going inside his own gate. It's something to put to your local TDs down there perhaps when the dust settles.


  • #905
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,733 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Muckit wrote: »
    We didn't get a fraction of what ye got in Wexford but there were 2 agri crews working on contract for the council around here with loading shovels and tractor and spreader coming along behind. One was a 320 Komastu .... sure it would shift the world and all before it. Make a tractor and loader look like a toy.

    It doesnt seem like Wexford Co Co had the same resources in place and you'd think they could have easily have had what with all the big agri contractors down there. Perhaps they had? I'm just going by the television/internet vids etc

    It really shouldn't have been left to the goodwill of the farmer in a lot of cases, who had enough on his plate to keep everything going inside his own gate. It's something to put to your local TDs down there perhaps when the dust settles.
    It was just the sheer volume of snow over the whole county.
    Coupled with the fact I think that we're supposed to have the greatest mileage of roads per county in Ireland. Not sure if it's true but I've heard council workers tell that one.

    Then you have dairy farmers needing milk collection and you'll do all you can possibly yourself to facilitate that. (If you have time).

    South of the county was particularly hit bad with more snow drifts coupled with no power and no water. The closer you were to the coast the more snow you got.

    The trouble with the council's is that they're based in the town's enniscorthy, bunclody, Wexford, New Ross and gorey and when the sh1t hits the fan they and the surrounding areas will be looked after first leaving the other areas to their own devices till they could possibly get out to them. So unless the general population didn't take it upon themselves the roads even today would still be impassable.

    They had ag contractors employed as well but it was just the sheer volume of snow and work to shift it. The big loaders were even getting into trouble. Maybe snowblowers should be bought for the next snowfall?


  • #906
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,639 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Say my name wrote: »
    It was just the sheer volume of snow over the whole county.
    Coupled with the fact I think that we're supposed to have the greatest mileage of roads per county in Ireland. Not sure if it's true but I've heard council workers tell that one.

    Then you have dairy farmers needing milk collection and you'll do all you can possibly yourself to facilitate that. (If you have time).

    South of the county was particularly hit bad with more snow drifts coupled with no power and no water. The closer you were to the coast the more snow you got.

    The trouble with the council's is that they're based in the town's enniscorthy, bunclody, Wexford, New Ross and gorey and when the sh1t hits the fan they and the surrounding areas will be looked after first leaving the other areas to their own devices till they could possibly get out to them. So unless the general population didn't take it upon themselves the roads even today would still be impassable.

    They had ag contractors employed as well but it was just the sheer volume of snow and work to shift it. The big loaders were even getting into trouble. Maybe snowblowers should be bought for the next snowfall?

    Do we really want to see a massive investment in snow clearing machinery for an event that might happen once in 30 years.

    If Co. Counclis bought snow blowers after 1982 they would have sat in yards and turned to rust before they were needed again.

    Cost of shutting country down for a few days would cost less than the investment needed to keep it running during these rare snow events.

    They should have looked for help from the farming community sooner.


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  • #907
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,733 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Tried to provide a link but I can't link to the rte player.
    But search for "risk of flooding as orange alert extended" on the rte news broadcast today.

    Karl Winters from taghmon lost a lot of sheds. Shocking stuff!!


  • #908
    farmersfriend
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 520 ✭✭✭farmersfriend


    Say my name wrote: »
    Tried to provide a link but I can't link to the rte player.
    But search for "risk of flooding as orange alert extended" on the rte news broadcast today.

    Karl Winters from taghmon lost a lot of sheds. Shocking stuff!!

    not far from us, an awful lot of sheds gone in this area, timbers broke in our shed but roof still up,


  • #909
    kk.man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Grant Spec Zinc and spacing will have to be looked at again. Nothing like the older Zinc. The new stuff is absolutely crap. I've being saying this for a while however it's too late as there was a massive expansion in farm buildings in the last 15 years and it full of the stuff.


  • #910
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    kk.man wrote: »
    Grant Spec Zinc and spacing will have to be looked at again. Nothing like the older Zinc. The new stuff is absolutely crap. I've being saying this for a while however it's too late as there was a massive expansion in farm buildings in the last 15 years and it full of the stuff.

    was thinking that alright, support for those roofs look to be very light and scarce.
    Big job ahead of Karl Winters


  • #911
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,733 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    wrangler wrote: »
    was thinking that alright, support for those roofs look to be very light and scarce.
    Big job ahead of Karl Winters

    I wouldn't blame the sheeting. It looks more like the angle iron truses on each shed couldn't cope with the weight.
    Don't forget these have been used the length and breadth of the country. His I presume were the standard 15ft span too.

    Sheeting nowadays you can still order any thickness you want.


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  • #912
    kk.man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,478 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Say my name wrote: »
    wrangler wrote: »
    was thinking that alright, support for those roofs look to be very light and scarce.
    Big job ahead of Karl Winters

    I wouldn't blame the sheeting. It looks more like the angle iron truses on each shed couldn't cope with the weight.
    Don't forget these have been used the length and breadth of the country. His I presume were the standard 15ft span too.

    Sheeting nowadays you can still order any thickness you want.
    I know you can re thickness but fellas naturally will go with minimum and as long as the rest is ok they will draw down the grant as these are big capital projects.


  • #913
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    kk.man wrote: »
    I know you can re thickness but fellas naturally will go with minimum and as long as the rest is ok they will draw down the grant as these are big capital projects.

    I actually thought the rafters were few and far between, as well as the light trusses


  • #914
    patsy_mccabe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,713 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Stating the obvious, but if these sheds were designed right, snow wouldn't bring them down. How many were put up by DIY guys with no stress analysis whatsoever done.


  • #915
    amacca
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,394 ✭✭✭amacca


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Stating the obvious, but if these sheds were designed right, snow wouldn't bring them down. How many were put up by DIY guys with no stress analysis whatsoever done.

    Grant spec is supposed to be able to handle significant snow load I thought?

    Can the contractors get away with skimping nowadays?


  • #916
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,621 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Stating the obvious, but if these sheds were designed right, snow wouldn't bring them down. How many were put up by DIY guys with no stress analysis whatsoever done.
    +1

    I was pricing a shed last Autumn and it was surprising how much could actually be 'cut' from the cost for a non grant spec shed.

    And is it really a saving if the damn thing comes down on top of your head some day?


  • #917
    Bullocks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    wrangler wrote: »
    was thinking that alright, support for those roofs look to be very light and scarce.
    Big job ahead of Karl Winters

    How did your tunnel work out with the snow ?
    Does it hold much snow when it's rounded ?


  • #918
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,733 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    kk.man wrote: »
    I know you can re thickness but fellas naturally will go with minimum and as long as the rest is ok they will draw down the grant as these are big capital projects.

    Every farmer should be made walk on their roofs of sheds. You don't be long seeing the difference in sheeting then!

    I thought the grant specs were actually improving standards in shed building?
    I know I heard a shed manufacturer complain about the specs being too strict and that you could land a helicopter on sheds now.
    I don't think angle iron truses are permitted anymore either. Just the steel girder truses now are allowed?


    It's no help to anyone that lost a shed though. Even bolts could break on girders or as previously mentioned the timbers breaking. I can't imagine the torment that that poor farmer is going through now. :(


  • #919
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,287 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Say my name wrote: »
    Every farmer should be made walk on their roofs of sheds. You don't be long seeing the difference in sheeting then!

    I thought the grant specs were actually improving standards in shed building?
    I know I heard a shed manufacturer complain about the specs being too strict and that you could land a helicopter on sheds now.
    I don't think angle iron truses are permitted anymore either. Just the steel girder truses now are allowed?


    It's no help to anyone that lost a shed though. Even bolts could break on girders or as previously mentioned the timbers breaking. I can't imagine the torment that that poor farmer is going through now. :(
    Have heard of certain sheeting providers having stamps on sheets and they were not what they were sold as being.


  • #920
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Bullocks wrote: »
    How did your tunnel work out with the snow ?
    Does it hold much snow when it's rounded ?

    No problems with it anyway
    The snow seems to start building on the gutters, there must have been 6 -9 inches all over before the snow started to blow away.
    There,s a hoop every 2m and 3 2inch tubular bars going the full lenght holding up the polythene so it's well supported


  • #921
    grassroot1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭grassroot1


    I was surprised when I looked at the roof of the cow shed on Saturday morning you could actually see the timbers bending. Its hard to pin point what the exact problem. The drifting snow left more snow on one side than the other, the low roof angle meant snow built up rather than slid off.

    On the roads it would be hard to expect small local roads to be kept open but the main roads between the towns should have been.
    Stopping the snow ploughs at 4 o clock on Thursday meant the snow built up.Snow ploughs were never going to keep roads open once the snow was allowed to build up.that was the biggest mistake.


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  • #922
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    The roof that performed the best in the recent conditions here was the traditional round roofed barn. It had a good covering of snow during the worst of it and the snow simply slid off once temperatures got up a bit.

    Imo in our country low profile and flat shed roofs are generally a bad idea. I've found that even in wet weather those sheds allow more water than the others and more prone to wind damage.

    Perhaps using better profiled shed roofs and situating sheds opens away from the worst of prevailing winds could help prevent sone of the damage seen during the latest snow.


  • #923
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    It wasn't a prevailing wind? A south easterly wind. South, south westerly is the the prevailing wind for the most part


  • #924
    alps
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭alps


    gozunda wrote: »
    The roof that performed the best in the recent conditions here was the traditional round roofed barn. It had a good covering of snow during the worst of it and the snow simply slid off once temperatures got up a bit.

    Imo in our country low profile and flat shed roofs are generally a bad idea. I've found that even in wet weather those sheds allow more water than the others and more prone to wind damage.

    Perhaps using better profiled shed roofs and situating sheds opens away from the worst of prevailing winds could help prevent sone of the damage seen during the latest snow.

    Delighted with this calf house...Up now with about 7 years and very cosy through the worst of weather...


  • #925
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Panch18


    alps wrote: »
    gozunda wrote: »
    The roof that performed the best in the recent conditions  here was the traditional round roofed barn. It had a good covering of snow during the worst of it and the snow simply slid off once temperatures got up a bit.

    Imo in our country low profile and flat shed roofs are generally a bad idea. I've found that even in wet weather those sheds allow more water than the others and more prone to wind damage.

    Perhaps using better profiled shed roofs and situating sheds opens away from the worst of prevailing winds could help prevent sone of the damage seen during the latest snow.

    Delighted with this calf house...Up now with about 7 years and very cosy through the worst of weather...

    Very interesting
    Where did you get that from??  Looking for something for calves myself


  • #926
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Willfarman wrote: »
    It wasn't a prevailing wind? A south easterly wind. South, south westerly is the the prevailing wind for the most part

    I meant those prevailing to storm conditions but sheltered overall. Exposed sites not good generally


  • #927
    George Sunsnow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,043 ✭✭✭George Sunsnow


    A lot of cows killed in the shed collapses up my area
    Counting myself very very lucky
    Fields here are still covered and one of the local roads still blocked
    Many of the other roads are just wide enough for 1 vehicle with walls at either side


  • #928
    K.G.
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,624 Mod ✭✭✭✭K.G.


    i think alot of the problems have come from the size of sheds increasing and the fact that you can get sheets in verylong lenghts now .because shed size has increased the pitch has decreased otherwise it would be up in the air and at lower pitchs more snow stays on the roof rather than sliding off and then before you needed to keep the pitch up so that water would not blow up the overlap whereas now there is no need to do that with full length sheets


  • #929
    roosterman71
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,154 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    I see the Greenfield Farm in Kilkenny is getting looked into for the deaths of some animals due to a lack of shelter. They have no sheds there and the cattle and calves sleep outside in open cubicles.

    Read all about it here: https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/cow-death-probe-at-farm-partrun-by-state-agency-36674018.html


  • #930
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,287 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    George Sunsnow wrote: »
    A lot of cows killed in the shed collapses up my area
    Counting myself very very lucky
    Fields here are still covered and one of the local roads still blocked
    Many of the other roads are just wide enough for 1 vehicle with walls at either side

    What about milk collections and power?


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  • #931
    Willfarman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,239 ✭✭✭Willfarman


    gozunda wrote: »
    Willfarman wrote: »
    It wasn't a prevailing wind? A south easterly wind. South, south westerly is the the prevailing wind for the most part

    I meant those prevailing to storm conditions but sheltered overall. Exposed sites not good generally
    Storm usually comes from the west. The north easterly isn't good when it comes either. Very hash and cold. The south sent the hurricane.. so a bit of shelter on all sides is a good idea and sure a bit of a roof would make it so snug for the farmer and vulnerable stock..

    An interesting concept!


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