Looting in Lidl?(mod warning in op-read it)

Pelvis · 03-03-2018 11:18AM

ArielAtom wrote: »

Wow, followed it on here last night. I'm stranded in London and at breakfast this morning was embarrassed as people asking about the riots in Dublin and the looting. Looting is far worse than stealing a loaf of bread, only low life scum take advantage in the face of adversity. Not sure what the maximum sentence is but throw the book at them.

People seem to embarrass very easily on this site.

03-03-2018 11:19AM

Fann Linn wrote: »

The problems with the courts and sentencing is a matter for the State to rectify.

Yeah I won’t hold my breath. People are frustrated with the state’s actions, or non actions in some cases, so their blood understandably boils over. In this thread it’s just words. In Tyrellstown though some locals had enough and took action. This is the reality of life for some people in these areas.

Captain Obvious · 03-03-2018 11:20AM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Because this is the reality of it, the Government is creating Ghetto estates by putting all these people in 1 out of the spot and ignoring the situation, and this is what you end up with. Its only going to become worse with each generation. It happened before in this country with the likes of Ballymun flats etc.

Who are you referring to when you say "these people"? Poor people?

Cypher_sounds · 03-03-2018 11:20AM

DominoDub wrote: »

The mobile network providers should be aloud to give GPS location data freely to the Gardai in an event like this.

If their phone was in these locations at the time - Questions should be asked

What if the culprits grabbed one of their 10 brothers phones by accident on their way out...innocent people accused!!

In fairness easy mistake to make given the amount of family/relatives residing in each one of their homes.

boombang · 03-03-2018 11:21AM

I live near Pearse St in town. For years I had encountered minor crime and antisocial behaviour from the local youths living in the social housing here. Naively, I had largely precieved the social group living in that accommodation as homogeneous. More recently I became much more aware that the trouble makers are a minority within the community, and those negative attitudes and behaviours are not shared by all. Moreover, I realised that the greatest damage that minority does is not to middle class people in neighbouring areas, but to the working class people around them.

FixdePitchmark · 03-03-2018 11:22AM

Ken Tucky wrote: »

Sickening stuff around. Just heard loads of vehicles have been burnt out around that area too. Have seen some photos but won't post just in case it's somewhere else but it doesn't look good and it's not just a couple of cars either!

Heartbreaking stuff for ordinary people to have to put up with scum like this.

Same problems in this area .

The bizarre thing is the scrotes clothing is suitable to this weather - wind breaker hood up.
They go around like this all year round to hide their identity - it creates a sense of intimidation too when they walk around.
Genuinely - like in France with Burqa, they could bring in a law that you cannot hide face unless good reason - and upon request you must show face.

There are deep rooted and complex social issues that people (myself included) can't ignore and just say “scumbags” - you see how kids genuinely have little or no hope - seen one of them in the local Lidl (ironically) recently having to buy food at around 6 pm. A time a kid his age (13 or so) should be at home eating a cooked meal - but his mother is an alcoholic and brother is a drug dealer who has caused mayhem in the area for a good 6 years. He is at that stage of too young to lock up.

I have respect for the Garda and know their hands are tied. But - I know a but, they are only in the area to go to the local Chinese - there is little or no feet on the street - no community police. There is something wrong in the police here - moral is still low , but it has been shown the culture in the Garda is wrong and reform is needed.

The media and government are very removed from real life – and the clapping on the back of how well the economy is doing is so removed from real life in parts of Dublin. Leo and his tweets and Rte and media in D4 is all a bit removed. Leo is well meaning and a good guy – but his background , life and education is so removed from life for the majority of Irish – I’d say he has hardly been exposed to some of the issues we are dealing with here – I hear one day he couldn’t get his Frappuccino and it was a hard day. The "6am" - sums up Leo's social policy - it is for guys like him and his friends.

The economy has picked up – but the social services that make changes in these areas were totally decimated from 2007 on. Early intervention and support services make a real difference – but the results are slow and often lost in the numerous structural and governmental changes that happen over the likes of a Garda station opening in Stepaside or a farm payment in Kerry or a traffic light in Clontarf.

Anyway – a sad day to see real looting in Dublin. There is personal responsibility first – but you also have to consider the society that created that situation.

Jerichoholic · 03-03-2018 11:22AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Who are you referring to when you say "these people"? Poor people?

Buford T Justice · 03-03-2018 11:23AM

Barry Badrinath wrote: »

John Connors was wrong.

He was called out on it.

He twists it and calls anyone disagreeing with him as being racist.

His followers that agree with him are fcuking idiots.

That's the problem with most of the snowflake sjw's in the world today. The laud their opinion as fact and label themselves as some sort of minority. If you disagree with their opinion then you're a racist. End of rational conversation

testicles · 03-03-2018 11:23AM

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PirateShampoo · 03-03-2018 11:23AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Who are you referring to when you say "these people"? Poor people?

Unemployed ex refuges, Halting sites and long term unemployed Irish.

freshpopcorn · 03-03-2018 11:24AM

A few years ago somewhere close to my house got robbed. It was in a rural area and it was witnessed by somebody. Two guys aged around twelve - thirteen broke in through a window and smashed doors/etc inside. This all happened whilst an older man waited in the car. Same goes with other rural crimes I've heard about on farmers. Sometimes they find children foot prints in the ground.

wellwhynot · 03-03-2018 11:25AM

Video of cars burnt out. There should be widespread CCTV.

crossman47 · 03-03-2018 11:25AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Absolutely agree , the vast majority in Tallaght are horrified at this crime and shocked it was happening . Texts and Whatsapps were flying with people terrified and crying and scared yesterday .

Thats true and what many people posting here don't appear to realise is that Tallaght is basically a city in its own right with a mixture of private estates and council estates. There will always be trouble makers in certain pockets of all towns and cities.

lawred2 · 03-03-2018 11:25AM

Cars forced to be abandoned because of impassable snow drifts burned out in Jobstown last night.

Honestly, it's just depressing to see. These people offer nothing to society. Nothing.

Captain Obvious · 03-03-2018 11:25AM

Malayalam wrote: »

The videos and pictures are disgusting.

Some of the comments in this thread though are disgusting too - calling for sterilisation, etc. As far as i can make out this whole bad affair is a combination of at least two types of people - the fcuking eegits and the real scumbags. The fcuking eegits -with too much time on their hands, possibly stoned and drunk and wired - saw a stupid opportunity, an open door into a store and they ran around the place like gob****es, stealing stuff, and running away, and then posting their hauls like mupperts on social media. It's bad that they did this - very bad - but ask any shop-keeper in any town or village about the amount of fleecing that goes on in their shops during lunch break when the local kids from the local schools descend upon them. So, it's more about idiocy and being a stupid gob****e and the feral rush of the gang. I bet most of that type are crapping themselves now that they are going to be caught. Good enough for them, and I hope they get a conviction, but not like some of the horrible stuff written in this thread.
The other type is the scumbag who will engage in the organised destruction of property costing millions of pounds of damage, careless of the dangers they might cause to others, and completely disrespectful of the order of society and state institutions and the civilised rule of law. Those ones - who seem to be older people from what i can make out - will hopefully sit out a very long spell in prison as a result of their actions.

If there is anyone from the first category, and they are in act decent, the Garda station would have a queue of people coming to return the property they took. They were looters, plain and simple, and they should be held accountable just like the people who did the damage after them.

ArielAtom · 03-03-2018 11:26AM

Pelvis wrote: »

ArielAtom wrote: »

Wow, followed it on here last night. I'm stranded in London and at breakfast this morning was embarrassed as people asking about the riots in Dublin and the looting. Looting is far worse than stealing a loaf of bread, only low life scum take advantage in the face of adversity. Not sure what the maximum sentence is but throw the book at them.

People seem to embarrass very easily on this site.

Its a reflection of us a nation. I suppose if you are OK with it then crack on. I felt embarrassment.

Cypher_sounds · 03-03-2018 11:27AM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Unemployed ex refuges, Halting sites and long term unemployed Irish.

Thought RTÉ employ people residing here?

Captain Obvious · 03-03-2018 11:27AM

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Unemployed ex refuges, Halting sites and long term unemployed Irish.

Is that all you think lives in council estates? And how are they forgotten about? They have access to the most amenities and get the most Garda coverage.

anewme · 03-03-2018 11:27AM

Malayalam wrote: »

The videos and pictures are disgusting.

As far as i can make out this whole bad affair is a combination of at least two types of people - the fcuking eegits and the real scumbags. The fcuking eegits -with too much time on their hands, possibly stoned and drunk and wired - saw a stupid opportunity, an open door into a store and they ran around the place like gob****es, stealing stuff, and running away, and then posting their hauls like mupperts on social media. It's bad that they did this - very bad - but ask any shop-keeper in any town or village about the amount of fleecing that goes on in their shops during lunch break when the local kids from the local schools descend upon them. So, it's more about idiocy and being a stupid gob****e and the feral rush of the gang. I bet most of that type are crapping themselves now that they are going to be caught. Good enough for them, and I hope they get a conviction, but not like some of the horrible stuff written in this thread.
The other type is the scumbag who will engage in the organised destruction of property costing millions of pounds of damage, careless of the dangers they might cause to others, .

Definitely agree with this, there are the empty vessels and the real criminal element which the empty vessels help too. Then there is the third element there of the new Irish.

Someone asked why would ordinary ppl allow this happen in their Community and the reality is in certain areas they are outnumbered by this lot.

I am a Joe soap worker getting fed up with these scumbags robbing ppl s houses etc and getting away with it, there's a huge contingent of these ppl as well getting fed up to the gills with the way they are untouchable.

I'd have had absolute zero sympathy if the digger lost control and killed a load of them. Zero. A lot of people would be the same.

plastic glass · 03-03-2018 11:28AM

Malayalam wrote: »

The videos and pictures are disgusting.

Some of the comments in this thread though are disgusting too - calling for sterilisation, etc. As far as i can make out this whole bad affair is a combination of at least two types of people - the fcuking eegits and the real scumbags. The fcuking eegits -with too much time on their hands, possibly stoned and drunk and wired - saw a stupid opportunity, an open door into a store and they ran around the place like gob****es, stealing stuff, and running away, and then posting their hauls like mupperts on social media. It's bad that they did this - very bad - but ask any shop-keeper in any town or village about the amount of fleecing that goes on in their shops during lunch break when the local kids from the local schools descend upon them. So, it's more about idiocy and being a stupid gob****e and the feral rush of the gang. I bet most of that type are crapping themselves now that they are going to be caught. Good enough for them, and I hope they get a conviction, but not like some of the horrible stuff written in this thread.
The other type is the scumbag who will engage in the organised destruction of property costing millions of pounds of damage, careless of the dangers they might cause to others, and completely disrespectful of the order of society and state institutions and the civilised rule of law. Those ones - who seem to be older people from what i can make out - will hopefully sit out a very long spell in prison as a result of their actions.

The “fcuking eejits” are still looters. For me they are the bottom feeders of society, trying their best to bring society to the brink. If they do not understand the nuance between looting and stealing a prison sentence should help. Follow the example of the English justice system after the London riots.

The scumbags with the jcb are worse, don’t get me wrong but people are trying to normalise the others who “just” took advantage of an open door in a shop and took what they wanted. This is not normal behaviour. It is looting in a time of a semi crisis and weather event in the country. It makes me realise how fragile our society is if there was a real crisis.

Please do not normalise this as if it were “just” stealing a few groceries. It is not the act. It is the opportunistic mentality behind the act

MilesMorales1 · 03-03-2018 11:29AM

John Connors sure is digging himself a mighty big hole on Twitter.

secman · 03-03-2018 11:30AM

jones 19 wrote: »

99%, my hole, half that.

You my friend have not a clue, you seriously think 50 % of people from Tallaght are scum !
I have lived on Dublin 24 for 39 years , and I think I would have a fair insight into the area, I don't live in a council estate, by I have many friends and associates who do and my estimate of 99 % of the people bring decent is based on the reality of living in Dublin 24. By the way my first 6 years of life I lived in a tenement building in town and the next 26 years I lived in a Dublin Corporation council high rise flat , but sure what would I know. I was involved in the local football club and the Tallaght Athletic club for almost 30 most pleasurable years. I still cycle from and back to Tallaght on a regular basis.
I went for an hour long walk in the driving snow last night in Tallaght , met people helping stranded cars , spoke to complete strangers out walking too , exchanged pleasantries.
I was horrified and saddened to see the footage of the looting of Lidle, knowing what backlash would ensue from mainly people who have not a clue about the area.
Hopefully justice will be served on these thugs with a deserved heavy hand, a despicable crime.

Tzardine · 03-03-2018 11:30AM

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

John Connors sure is digging himself a mighty big hole on Twitter.

Its grand, he is going to sue his way out of it apparently.

03-03-2018 11:31AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yes, I'm aware. It was still looting. And not some starving people desperately stealing a loaf of bread to stay alive. From the beginning it was trays of cans and anything else they could grab.

Sorry I’ve skipped loads of pages on this thread since last night.

I grew up in Peckham in the 80s and have seen first hand many, many riots and looting. The kids back then had the same opportunities as me, we went to the same schools, we all could use the free activities (open air swimming, adventure Centre, youth clubs, sports clubs).

The difference between us was my parents wouldn’t even let me look out the front window when this was going on whereas the kids that were outside, their parents didn’t give a **** and let them mix with the older scumbags who were rioting. Then a viscous circle begins.

Jerichoholic · 03-03-2018 11:32AM

anewme wrote: »

I'd have had absolute zero sympathy if the digger lost control and killed a load of them. Zero. A lot of people would be the same.

You just know they'd be suing Lidl for a lot of handouts if that happened.

03-03-2018 11:32AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Who are you referring to when you say "these people"? Poor people?

How poor are they though? SW with benefits along with part-time jobs can bring in easily enough to live on, with some extras. Calling people "poor" seems to be a common way of excusing their behavior. It's not as if they're poor like in a 3rd world nation without any support.

03-03-2018 11:34AM

Where's Paul Murphy when you need him.

darlett · 03-03-2018 11:34AM

Pelvis wrote: »

People seem to embarrass very easily on this site.

If you are not embarrassed by a community ransacking and then later destroying a shop, (or two) then you have no standards.

um7y1h83ge06nx · 03-03-2018 11:35AM

Not much the decent people of those areas can do to stand up to that thuggery and savagery. You would need to bring some bigger thugs back from the dead like Heinrich Himmler to straighten those lads out. A few SS squads might have put the smiles on the other sides of those scums faces or in a more modern context the BOPE units from Rio.

suicide_circus · 03-03-2018 11:35AM

bring back the public pillory, these lads won't be too cool after a few hours being jeered in the town square
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Looting in Lidl?(mod warning in op-read it)

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