N86 - Tralee to Dingle [advance works ongoing for Phase 3]

Mc Love · 16-02-2018 8:32am

marno21 wrote: »

According to tomorrow's Examiner, the rest of the N86 upgrade (some 24km worth) is in the Capital Plan.

Delightful if true.

A number of high-profile projects will be unveiled under the NDP, including the M20 between Limerick and Cork, plans for a second runway at Dublin Airport, and the Metro North.

Other routes which will feature include the Macroom bypass in North Cork, which is considered key to improving access to Tralee, as well as improvements to the N86 road from Tralee to Dingle.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/government-plans-promise-14bnfor-health-projects-467226.html

Not a whole lot said in the article

Mc Love · 19-02-2018 12:51pm

Looks like google maps will need to be updated when the road is done!

Geogregor · 20-02-2018 10:30pm

Mc Love wrote: »

Looks like google maps will need to be updated when the road is done!

I wouldn't hold your breath, especially when talking about Streetview. They still didn't drive along the Belturbet bypass on the N3. And that was opened a good few years ago.
The same with M11 south of Rathnew. You can still admire the old road on Streetview. It seems that in the last few years they stopped updating Ireland.

marno21 · 20-02-2018 10:38pm

Geogregor wrote: »

I wouldn't hold your breath, especially when talking about Streetview. They still didn't drive along the Belturbet bypass on the N3. And that was opened a good few years ago.
The same with M11 south of Rathnew. You can still admire the old road on Streetview. It seems that in the last few years they stopped updating Ireland.

They did an update of Streetview in 2017. You can see the works in their infancy on the N86 near the Ballynasare turnoff.

L1011 · 21-02-2018 9:06am

The 2017 run, or at least what is up so far, is quite limited. Main roads only outside Dublin

Mc Love · 26-02-2018 2:54pm

Road is coming along nicely - KCC really need to get someone out to look at section of the road from Maum to Gleannagalt. Had to slow down to 50km/h as the tyres would be in bits from it.

marno21 · 26-02-2018 2:59pm

Mc Love wrote: »

Road is coming along nicely - KCC really need to get someone out to look at section of the road from Maum to Gleannagalt. Had to slow down to 50km/h as the tyres would be in bits from it.

There's no funding for an overlay in year 2018 so it'll likely be a small temporary job. There's no point in a full overlay if a realignment is done soon which hopefully it should be

Paddico · 02-03-2018 1:49pm

Does anyone have any pictures of the ongoing work?

marno21 · 10-03-2018 9:02pm

There has been exceptional work done in the last few weeks and the scheme is really on the home run in most parts now

At Camp, the entire stretch has blacktop down bar 100m or so in the centre, which will likely be done next week or the week after. The cycle paths are still to be done but the entire new road is now in place. The "offline" part at the western end doesn't seem to be part of this scheme, just that they were using part of it for earth removal likely for the Ballynasare section.

Back at Ballynasare, as per the image below:

1/2. This section is almost complete with works still ongoing at the western terminal end. The cycle paths have yet to be done but the new road is in place
3. This section hasn't been touched yet, is it remaining as is?
4. This section is as before, the new road is open with traffic diverting at the point between 4/5 onto an access road onto the old N86 in green
5. The embankment across the alignment of the old N86 is now in place, with surface works likely beginning shortly
6. This section is mostly complete with tarmac down and work continuing on the cycle paths
7. This section is complete bar ancilliary works and tarmacing the cycle paths.

marno21 · 08-04-2018 9:12pm

Scheme is really pushing on now but we are back to the usual summer craic of driving between 25 and 55km/h behind Sunday drivers and tourists.

The section at Camp is now totally realigned and only needs its final layer of tarmac and some tidying up. The cycle lanes are well underway now as well. I thought there was a short section at the western end to take the road around to meet the bridge head on but this seems not to be going ahead as part of this scheme?

The western section is as before, the final layer of tarmac is down at the eastern side along section 7 above. Little else has changed apart from ongoing work on the offline section on the embankment.

Some awful flytipping just west of Annascaul today near the cemetery as well - disgusting to see.

Mc Love · 09-04-2018 12:09am

marno21 wrote: »

Some awful flytipping just west of Annascaul today near the cemetery as well - disgusting to see.

Have seen that before at that spot, it really is a disgrace

marno21 · 09-04-2018 1:47am

Yes it's absolutely disgraceful.

On a side note, for anyone back west, now that there's an election coming up it may be time to start lobbying for the next part of the N86 upgrade to go ahead. I believe land acquistion is ongoing along the route but I'm not sure how much has been bought where. There is a possibility of one of the next sections starting in the next 2 years, hopefully Ballynasare-Annascaul or Gortbreagoge-Ballygarret (Annascaul-Camp).

Mc Love · 09-04-2018 9:13am

marno21 wrote: »

Yes it's absolutely disgraceful.

On a side note, for anyone back west, now that there's an election coming up it may be time to start lobbying for the next part of the N86 upgrade to go ahead. I believe land acquistion is ongoing along the route but I'm not sure how much has been bought where. There is a possibility of one of the next sections starting in the next 2 years, hopefully Ballynasare-Annascaul or Gortbreagoge-Ballygarret (Annascaul-Camp).

That Annascaul - Camp section really needs doing and quickly

ongarboy · 12-04-2018 10:55am

Check out this article: "N86 works on track for July completion" on the Radio Kerry app
https://5uo3.app.link/P7h01mRj3L

Update from Radio Kerry. When they refer to earthworks vs lineworks, are both relating to the 2 stretches currently under construction?

marno21 · 12-04-2018 11:11am

ongarboy wrote: »

Check out this article: "N86 works on track for July completion" on the Radio Kerry app
https://5uo3.app.link/P7h01mRj3L

Update from Radio Kerry. When they refer to earthworks vs lineworks, are both relating to the 2 stretches currently under construction?

That should read "online works" rather than "on line works".

Online works = the widening of the existing road at Camp and also just east of a Lispole
The earthworks refers to the stretch of offline road at Ballynasare east of Lispole which required significant infill

marno21 · 21-04-2018 4:36pm

The section at Camp is now more or less complete with just the road markings and tarmacing the cycle lanes to be done.

The section back west still has a bit to go but the cycle lanes at the eastern end are now complete with the final layer of tarmac down on the eastern section also. A lot of work to do yet but the weather improvement and added daylight will certainly help. Should be complete by July alright

marno21 · 01-05-2018 12:35am

Google Satellite images have now been updated to show the scheme under construction, circa. June 2017.

spacetweek · 05-05-2018 9:42pm

marno21 wrote: »

Google Satellite images have now been updated to show the scheme under construction, circa. June 2017.

Very interesting - unusually, they have completely removed the old road and returned it to grass!

marno21 · 05-05-2018 10:41pm

spacetweek wrote: »

Very interesting - unusually, they have completely removed the old road and returned it to grass!

For the Annascaul-Gortbreagoge scheme? Indeed there are two bridges near the eastern of the scheme covered in a nice lawn.

In relation to the two active schemes:

At Camp, the road itself is now complete and fully open to traffic. Work is ongoing on the cycle lanes but there isn't much left on it. The new 1km of road is excellently built.

At Ballynasare, the eastern section is now complete with line markings, and the cycle paths have been tarmaced. The offline section remains without any surface yet but it can't be far away. The online section near Lispole is as it was before.

Mc Love · 13-05-2018 5:27pm

http://www.radiokerry.ie/material-dredged-dingle-harbour-used-n86/

Interesting by-product n Dingle Harbour. Any update on how the section at lispole is looking?

marno21 · 13-05-2018 5:29pm

Mc Love wrote: »

http://www.radiokerry.ie/material-dredged-dingle-harbour-used-n86/

Interesting by-product n Dingle Harbour. Any update on how the section at lispole is looking?

Haven't been back there since last week but I might take a drive if the weather is nice this week

The eastern section at Ballynasare is complete, the middle new alignment has no tarmac down yet and the western section is tarmaced but not complete

Mc Love · 13-05-2018 6:43pm

marno21 wrote: »

Haven't been back there since last week but I might take a drive if the weather is nice this week

The eastern section at Ballynasare is complete, the middle new alignment has no tarmac down yet and the western section is tarmaced but not complete

Hopefully be down the 25th myself.

yannakis · 25-05-2018 1:04pm

Guys, do you have any maps of the realignments? There seems to be a new stretch released here https://goo.gl/maps/YbLmen4MXPF2 and I'm trying to map it on Waze.

marno21 · 25-05-2018 4:24pm

yannakis wrote: »

Guys, do you have any maps of the realignments? There seems to be a new stretch released here https://goo.gl/maps/YbLmen4MXPF2 and I'm trying to map it on Waze.

The layout there at the minute is temporary and not the final layout. You can see the land reservation on Google Satellite, which is pretty much the current route but it deviates slightly southwards at the eastern existing N86 crossing to connect to the existing N86. The existing N86 has been stopped up where the new alignment crosses it at the eastern crossing.

yannakis · 25-05-2018 4:57pm

marno21 wrote: »

The layout there at the minute is temporary and not the final layout. You can see the land reservation on Google Satellite, which is pretty much the current route but it deviates slightly southwards at the eastern existing N86 crossing to connect to the existing N86. The existing N86 has been stopped up where the new alignment crosses it at the eastern crossing.

I saw the land reservation from the satellite imagery, and the GPS points over it indicate this bit is active since a good few months. First report in Waze particularly was on 31 Mar.

marno21 · 25-05-2018 5:04pm

N86 works to be complete within two months

http://www.radiokerry.ie/works-n86-tralee-dingle-road-due-completed-within-two-months/

marno21 · 05-06-2018 4:04pm

Good news!

In Kerry County Council's April 2018 meeting, it was announced/agreed that a tender would be issued for consultants to take two further schemes on the N86 through Phases 5-7 of the TII Project Management Guidelines (which basically is advance works, tender, and construction). The issuing of this tender means that funding is likely available to get these started within 2 years or so.

The sections are between Annascaul and Ballynasare (which would complete the Annascaul-Lispole section) and between Doonore South and Ballygarret (which extends the current improvements west of Camp as far as the top of Gleann na nGealt, around the Maum turnoff, and remove the poorly surfaced section along the side of the glen).

This is very welcome, and by the start of 2021 we should have Lispole-Annascaul and roughly half of Annascaul-Camp done.

EDIT: This would be roughly 8km of additional realignment, or a third of the remaining N86 works.

Mc Love · 05-06-2018 4:23pm

Making good progress there at Lispole. thought they would have made it straighter considering the extra space they had after Kate's shop heading in the dingle direction, but the bend will probably slow traffic down.

marno21 wrote: »

Doonore South and Ballygarret (which extends the current improvements west of Camp as far as the top of Gleann na nGealt, around the Maum turnoff, and remove the poorly surfaced section along the side of the glen).

Down to about 40-50km/h there at the moment, as its really rough.

marno21 · 05-06-2018 9:10pm

Completed:
d. Annascaul to Gortbreagoge (2012)

Construction:
b. Lispole to Ballynasare Lower [complete July 2018]
g. Ballygarret to Camp [complete July 2018]

Planned:
a. Dingle to Lispole (10.7km)
c. Ballynasare Lower to Annascaul (4.7km) [being advanced by KCC; potential start late 2019/early 2020]
e. Gortbreagoge to Dooneen South (6.3km)
f. Dooneen South to Ballygarret (3.3km) [being advanced by KCC; potential start late 2019/early 2020]
h. Camp Upper to Camp Lower (1.3km)

The schemes then line up as above from a. at Dingle to h. near the R560 junction at Camp. The villages of Annascaul and Lispole will not be bypassed. The schemes in total comprise 28km of roadway.

KCC are seeking tenders for consultants to take phases c and f through the processes from advance works, tender, construction and handover.

marno21 · 22-06-2018 2:35pm

N86 works to be substantially complete by early August

http://www.radiokerry.ie/hopes-n86-works-will-substantially-completed-early-august/

lottpaul · 22-06-2018 7:36pm

The section at Camp is more or less complete but there seems to be a lot left to do on the embankment section of the road at Ballynasare. Difficult to see clearly but I'd be surprised (and delighted) is it's open for e.g. the August Bank holiday weekend. Safety barriers are essential and there isn't even a sign of one yet - I presume they'd be substantial given the drop on either side of the road. Temporary lights at Lispole school these days too but no big delays.

Kevwoody · 22-06-2018 8:06pm

I was actually out this road earlier today.
I agree with Lottpaul, there is still a massive amount of work left to do.
Not only barriers, but footpaths and embankments are also a complete mess yet.
Even the finished section at Camp is poorly finished, the embankments weren't sowed with grass seed resulting in weeds and stones. On a plus, the road itself is obviously a big improvement.

marno21 · 22-06-2018 8:19pm

I was out there today also, certainly westbound the embankment alignment looks more or less compete, still requires tarmacadam but the road and footpaths are clearly seen. There is a lot of work to be done with the tie in up the hill but that will likely be left til last so traffic can be sent along the new alignment as the old one is closed off. It seems as though west of Kate's Cross will be traffic calmed as part of Lispole village.

The Camp section looks unfinished but then again the hard work is done and id imagine the contractors have moved most of the manpower back to the Lispole section to get that done. Once both roads are open to traffic the last finishing touches will be complete.

Hopefully the two next sections are tendered soon and might start this time next year or so.

lottpaul · 05-07-2018 9:11am

Work progressing well on the Lispole section. Traffic control at times over the past few days. All surfaces near the school look nearly complete. Not so good past Garrynadur as it drops down to the new embankment but very good again past Ballynasare. Shouldn't take too long to do the tie ins. The cycle paths still have a bit to go on the Lispole end but all seems on track for an early August completion.

marno21 · 17-07-2018 2:07am

Really taking its final shape now, 2 sets of signals in place today as tarmac was going down on where the current temporary road meets the new N86 on the hill up towards Garrynadur. Most of the tarmac complete on the Lispole side, with the embankment section yet to be tarmaced and that's it. Signage poles up along the route also.

The Camp section is pretty much complete now bar cosmetic stuff. It's a pity they didn't continue the realignment along the cutting to meet the bridge head on at the western end instead of the current loop around. This will be corrected in the N86 Ballygarret-Doonore South which is to start next alongside N86 Ballynasare-Annascaul (which will remove the last 3 hairpins between Annascaul and Lispole.

Mc Love · 17-07-2018 7:16am

marno21 wrote: »

Really taking its final shape now, 2 sets of signals in place today as tarmac was going down on where the current temporary road meets the new N86 on the hill up towards Garrynadur. Most of the tarmac complete on the Lispole side, with the embankment section yet to be tarmaced and that's it. Signage poles up along the route also.

The Camp section is pretty much complete now bar cosmetic stuff. It's a pity they didn't continue the realignment along the cutting to meet the bridge head on at the western end instead of the current loop around. This will be corrected in the N86 Ballygarret-Doonore South which is to start next alongside N86 Ballynasare-Annascaul (which will remove the last 3 hairpins between Annascaul and Lispole.

I was amazed they didnt include it the current scheme.

Mc Love · 20-07-2018 11:25am

Looking great now, passed through Lispole last night and the new road hasnt opened yet but I'd say its very close to being opened.

dohouch · 20-07-2018 6:44pm

Came out from Tralee at midday and traffic to Dingle was using the new flyover, just the one side open

lottpaul · 24-07-2018 8:10am

Raidio na G announced this morning that the entire new section from Lispole to Ballynasare is now open.

marno21 · 26-07-2018 8:47pm

lottpaul wrote: »

Raidio na G announced this morning that the entire new section from Lispole to Ballynasare is now open.

Closed again this evening, traffic being sent via old N86 and the temporary slip road.

marno21 · 26-07-2018 8:48pm

Mc Love wrote: »

Making good progress there at Lispole. thought they would have made it straighter considering the extra space they had after Kate's shop heading in the dingle direction, but the bend will probably slow traffic down.

Signage up in the area now confirms that the speed limit from near the top of the embankment at O'Sullivan's Pub as far as Lispole will be 60km/h. Hence the twistier alignment and the kerbing at the side of the road as opposed to segregated cyclepaths.

marno21 · 26-07-2018 8:50pm

This is pretty much complete now but there must still be work required on the Ballynasare embankment as it was closed this evening. Lots of tidying up going on still, but there can't be much more than 1/2 weeks work left. It really did all come together quite quickly at the end.

There appears to be work ongoing on an embankment at the eastern end beyond where the new road starts. They could be starting some preliminary work early on the next part which will be between Ballynasare and Annascaul. When this is done the road from Annascaul-Lispole will be quite different to before when the 4 hairpin bends are gone.

Quackster · 26-07-2018 9:47pm

marno21 wrote: »

When this is done the road from Annascaul-Lispole will be quite different to before when the 4 hairpin bends are gone.

While the other hairpin bends will likely be attenuated, they're not going to be removed completely.

marno21 · 26-07-2018 10:45pm

Quackster wrote: »

While the other hairpin bends will likely be attenuated, they're not going to be removed completely.

I'm talking about the 3 between Lispole and Annascaul just for clarity, the middle one is a fairly tame bend but still a bad bend

The plan seems to be to almost remove them, there will still be a bend but it'll likely be suitable for 100km/h running or close to it. It will significantly improve that stretch of road which is painful to drive

Mc Love · 31-07-2018 12:56pm

The road heading towards lispole doesnt look to be complete as there is some work going on with the embankment. The majority of the works looks to be done though and its a massive improvement. On my way home last night from Dingle, I nearly missed the sharp turn on to the old road and nearly went through the cones onto the new road, it comes on you quite quickly and is sharp.

lottpaul · 01-08-2018 12:11pm

Installing cats eyes/studs on the embankment today - in the lashing rain - while some minor landscaping/barrier work was being carried out at the same time. Traffic management in place. We were heading west after an early morning trip to Tralee and there was a line of 5 cars/buses/camper vans ahead of us. We were held for 2 minutes at most. When we got to the pub at Garry we counted a line of 60+ cars etc held at the stop sign. Crazy! The main cause was definitely 2 unrelated jobs being done at the same time. Bad co-ordination, but they may have deadlines.
That said, the barriers are installed and pretty solid looking, and all should be open for the Bank Holiday weekend.

Mc Love · 01-08-2018 12:47pm

lottpaul wrote: »

Installing cats eyes/studs on the embankment today - in the lashing rain - while some minor landscaping/barrier work was being carried out at the same time. Traffic management in place. We were heading west after an early morning trip to Tralee and there was a line of 5 cars/buses/camper vans ahead of us. We were held for 2 minutes at most. When we got to the pub at Garry we counted a line of 60+ cars etc held at the stop sign. Crazy! The main cause was definitely 2 unrelated jobs being done at the same time. Bad co-ordination, but they may have deadlines.
That said, the barriers are installed and pretty solid looking, and all should be open for the Bank Holiday weekend.

You dont mind on the traffic light but when its the man holding the sign, its brutal!

lottpaul · 01-08-2018 1:07pm

Mc Love wrote: »

You dont mind on the traffic light but when its the man holding the sign, its brutal!

Sorry, I didn't make it clear enough - it was guys holding signs - but there were 3 guys at least holding signs. One seemed to be with the cats eyes truck and when we came across them they were in the middle of the barrier guys section. And I don't know if there was much communication between them -

Mc Love · 02-08-2018 12:35pm

New road now open I've been reliably informed.

Mrs Dempsey · 05-08-2018 10:13pm

Mc Love wrote: »

New road now open I've been reliably informed.

Used it today - nice bit of work BUT what's with the continuous white line? There is adequate sight line to overtake & no junction on the embankment!

N86 - Tralee to Dingle [advance works ongoing for Phase 3]

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