Social welfare privatisation

Ajsoprano · 21-02-2018 10:28PM #1

With all these jobbridge type schemes popping up it got me thinking.
Are we slowly privatizing the dept of social welfare?

How many people in this dept are employed?

As much as an opposer I am to these schemes would it be kind of poetic if the staff that backed these schemes ended up on them.
I think this dept being privatized would save the tax payer a fortune.
Most of the jobs are simple form filling type jobs a bit of basic training could give yet the people have Union public sector jobs which pay well.
A private company could come in and take staff off the social welfare give them basic training in form filling and get 10000 euro just for employing these people.
So then you would have the person forced to work filling out the form with the person who wants to work.
This newly out of work ex civil servant hold then have to wait 2 years (because of the 10000 grant requirements) to get their old job back but on minimum wage.

Bizarre wouldn’t it be. Surely the water charge freeloaders with their iPhones would be out in the streets protesting this.

DelaneyO · 21-02-2018 10:30PM

I thought you died, Maggie.

SEPT 23 1989 · 21-02-2018 10:30PM

Evening Leo

dxhound2005 · 21-02-2018 10:35PM

A private company with a turnover of €20 billion a year would be paying its top brass a few million each.

VinLieger · 21-02-2018 10:36PM

New homework project?

Ajsoprano · 21-02-2018 10:44PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

A private company with a turnover of €20 billion a year would be paying its top brass a few million each.

Maybe 1 or 2 people. But almost the rest would have a top level wage of about 13 euro an hour. It’s just form stamping it’s hardly like you need any skills.
Microsoft office that’s about it.

Think of the money it’d save if you had a private company sort it out. The government could pay it depending on performance rather than on how long they are sitting there hating their customers.

They could give courses based on what employers want rather than what Bernie from the front desk who is here the longest would like to do.

The more I think of it the more I like it.

donegaLroad · 21-02-2018 10:56PM

Most social welfare jobs will be gone due to automation, soooner than we think.

bluefinger · 21-02-2018 10:57PM

Ah did someone just sign on today?

_Brian · 21-02-2018 10:58PM

I think what your missing OP is that a private company will come on and have one goal, that is to extract as much money fromtbeunsustem itself and pass this on to its directors.
It will do anything to get this done.

So the result will be under your suggestion is laying off civil servants paying them redundancies, giving the work to a private company which pays their staff a pittance and charges excess to tie government and passes the profits to a few people.

How could this be seen as progress towards anything other than spite against people working in the civil service??

21-02-2018 11:03PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

The more I think of it the more I like it.

Privatisation of state services tends to be a nightmare after a few years.

SW, by its nature, is catering to the weaker/less well off members of society, and private business typically isn't very emphatic/sympathetic. Profit is their concern, with cutting corners on everything being standard along with other "initiatives".

I get that people don't like SW. I don't particularly like it either... but it's a necessary evil for a nation like Ireland, and passing it off on to a business type entity would be an invitation for a host of scandals, and abuse.

I'd much prefer that we encourage Government services to become more professional/modern/efficient as time goes by. And TBH the SW service seems to be improving.

Ajsoprano · 21-02-2018 11:05PM

_Brian wrote: »

I think what your missing OP is that a private company will come on and have one goal, that is to extract as much money fromtbeunsustem itself and pass this on to its directors.
It will do anything to get this done.

So the result will be under your suggestion is laying off civil servants paying them redundancies, giving the work to a private company which pays their staff a pittance and charges excess to tie government and passes the profits to a few people.

How could this be seen as progress towards anything other than spite against people working in the civil service??

But it’d still operate cheaper than the dept. I haven’t dealt with them in nearly a year now but it was baffling dealing with them. I felt like they dispised me. The tax office treats you like a customer when you turn up looking for your money back the dept of social treats you like a criminal.

If we can privatize our water surely we can privatize this department. We could have a number of separate companies all competing for a number of contracts to keep service good and prices down.

A single civil servant could probably look after that on 15 euro an hour.

Roger Hassenforder · 21-02-2018 11:16PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

But it’d still operate cheaper than the dept. I haven’t dealt with them in nearly a year now but it was baffling dealing with them. I felt like they dispised me. The tax office treats you like a customer when you turn up looking for your money back the dept of social treats you like a criminal.

If we can privatize our water surely we can privatize this department. We could have a number of separate companies all competing for a number of contracts to keep service good and prices down.

A single civil servant could probably look after that on 15 euro an hour.

most of the admin monkeys you're dealing with at a front counter would be Clerical Officer grade, paid a lot less than the average industrial wage.
When did we privatise water?

Get off your ars3 and get a job, just because th made life difficult for you in the dole office doesnt mean they're all on a sinecure.

Ajsoprano · 21-02-2018 11:17PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

most of the admin monkeys you're dealing with at a front counter would be Clerical Officer grade, paid a lot less than the average industrial wage.
When did we privatise water?

Get off your ars3 and get a job, just because th made life difficult for you in the dole office doesnt mean they're all on a sinecure.

I have a job thanks

Birneybau · 21-02-2018 11:30PM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

most of the admin monkeys you're dealing with at a front counter would be Clerical Officer grade, paid a lot less than the average industrial wage.
When did we privatise water?

Get off your ars3 and get a job, just because th made life difficult for you in the dole office doesnt mean they're all on a sinecure.

I have a job thanks

And some of the maddest opinions I've seen on Boards in many a year

Ajsoprano · 22-02-2018 12:35AM

Birneybau wrote: »

And some of the maddest opinions I've seen on Boards in many a year

It’s a discussion site. I’m finding nobody has an opinion.
Anytime I try start a discussion srameen disrupts the thread then a few lads turn up telling me my discussion is stupid.
Nobody ever says why.
It’s a bizarre place. Facebook is meant to be for the people who don’t reason.

Dev84 · 22-02-2018 12:37AM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

With all these jobbridge type schemes popping up it got me thinking.
Are we slowly privatizing the dept of social welfare?

How many people in this dept are employed?

As much as an opposer I am to these schemes would it be kind of poetic if the staff that backed these schemes ended up on them.
I think this dept being privatized would save the tax payer a fortune.
Most of the jobs are simple form filling type jobs a bit of basic training could give yet the people have Union public sector jobs which pay well.
A private company could come in and take staff off the social welfare give them basic training in form filling and get 10000 euro just for employing these people.
So then you would have the person forced to work filling out the form with the person who wants to work.
This newly out of work ex civil servant hold then have to wait 2 years (because of the 10000 grant requirements) to get their old job back but on minimum wage.

Bizarre wouldn’t it be. Surely the water charge freeloaders with their iPhones would be out in the streets protesting this.

Madness. Forget the medication today?

Ajsoprano · 22-02-2018 12:39AM

Dev84 wrote: »

Madness. Forget the medication today?

Another one.
Is stameen the only person here and he just has loads of accounts or do you all work together?

Ulysses Gaze · 22-02-2018 12:41AM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

With all these jobbridge type schemes popping up it got me thinking.
Are we slowly privatizing the dept of social welfare?

How many people in this dept are employed?

As much as an opposer I am to these schemes would it be kind of poetic if the staff that backed these schemes ended up on them.
I think this dept being privatized would save the tax payer a fortune.
Most of the jobs are simple form filling type jobs a bit of basic training could give yet the people have Union public sector jobs which pay well.
A private company could come in and take staff off the social welfare give them basic training in form filling and get 10000 euro just for employing these people.
So then you would have the person forced to work filling out the form with the person who wants to work.
This newly out of work ex civil servant hold then have to wait 2 years (because of the 10000 grant requirements) to get their old job back but on minimum wage.

Bizarre wouldn’t it be. Surely the water charge freeloaders with their iPhones would be out in the streets protesting this.

In another thread you started, you talked of how a One World Government would be a great idea. That would necessitate not just Big Government, but massive Government. A totalitarian state or states in essence.

What you are suggesting here is the beginning of the end of Big Government. If this scheme were successful, why not just hive off all Public sector functions to the private sector?

endacl · 22-02-2018 12:43AM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

Another one.
Is stameen the only person here and he just has loads of accounts or do you all work together?

IIRC correctly there was a poster here a while back who also used to get their knickers in a twist when the redoubtable Srameen wandered into their nonsense threads and posted from a position combining eminent good sense and reasoned opinion. Can't remember the name....

Any relation?

Cushie Butterfield · 22-02-2018 12:44AM

nice one op, especially the one about Bernie at front desk, & the sitting there hating their customers

Ajsoprano · 22-02-2018 12:45AM

endacl wrote: »

IIRC correctly there was a poster here a while back who also used to get their knickers in a twist when the redoubtable Srameen wandered into their nonsense threads and posted from a position combining eminent good sense and reasoned opinion. Can't remember the name....

Any relation?

No but as a new user of this site I’m finding it very unwelcoming.
Is it just for people who are on it years?

end of the road · 22-02-2018 12:45AM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

With all these jobbridge type schemes popping up it got me thinking.
Are we slowly privatizing the dept of social welfare?

How many people in this dept are employed?

As much as an opposer I am to these schemes would it be kind of poetic if the staff that backed these schemes ended up on them.
I think this dept being privatized would save the tax payer a fortune.
Most of the jobs are simple form filling type jobs a bit of basic training could give yet the people have Union public sector jobs which pay well.
A private company could come in and take staff off the social welfare give them basic training in form filling and get 10000 euro just for employing these people.
So then you would have the person forced to work filling out the form with the person who wants to work.
This newly out of work ex civil servant hold then have to wait 2 years (because of the 10000 grant requirements) to get their old job back but on minimum wage.

Bizarre wouldn’t it be. Surely the water charge freeloaders with their iPhones would be out in the streets protesting this.

privatization of public services never saves the tax payer a fortune, but costs a double fortune. your idea would cost a double fortune even if the staff were all on minimum wage. the private company has to make a healthy profit and will have to extract as much as it can.

Ajsoprano wrote: »

But it’d still operate cheaper than the dept. I haven’t dealt with them in nearly a year now but it was baffling dealing with them. I felt like they dispised me. The tax office treats you like a customer when you turn up looking for your money back the dept of social treats you like a criminal.

If we can privatize our water surely we can privatize this department. We could have a number of separate companies all competing for a number of contracts to keep service good and prices down.

A single civil servant could probably look after that on 15 euro an hour.

wouldn't be financially viable without paying more then the current costs to make bidding attractive for multiple companies or any company. the current system is much cheaper and has a lot less faults and potential for faults.

Dev84 · 22-02-2018 12:47AM

Private companies would only fake it on to make a profit.

Its a critical public service.

They are not compatabile. End of.

Ajsoprano · 22-02-2018 12:49AM

end of the road wrote: »

privatization of public services never saves the tax payer a fortune, but costs a double fortune. your idea would cost a double fortune even if the staff were all on minimum wage. the private company has to make a healthy profit and will have to extract as much as it can.

wouldn't be financially viable without paying more then the current costs to make bidding attractive for multiple companies or any company. the current system is much cheaper and has a lot less faults and potential for faults.

Thank you. I’ll mull over your response and get back to you.

Ajsoprano · 22-02-2018 12:50AM

Dev84 wrote: »

Private companies would only fake it on to make a profit.

Its a critical public service.

They are not compatabile. End of.

But the Garda fake it to make it look like it’s fit for purpose and they are public.

Junkyard Tom · 22-02-2018 12:50AM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

srameen

Izaiah Salmon Egg is our dear leader and you too will learn to love him. :mad:

Are Am Eye · 22-02-2018 12:51AM

I choose option 4

endacl · 22-02-2018 12:52AM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

No but as a new user of this site I’m finding it very unwelcoming.
Is it just for people who are on it years?

Not at all. I've been here a while. Not as long as some, but a while. When I post bollocks people call me on it too. Same as real life.

Ajsoprano · 22-02-2018 12:55AM

endacl wrote: »

Not at all. I've been here a while. Not as long as some, but a while. When I post bollocks people call me on it too. Same as real life.

But surely a discussion involves more than one side giving an opinion and one man shouting bollox followed by all his friends shouting bollox

Birneybau · 22-02-2018 12:58AM

Are Am Eye wrote: »

I choose option 4

Noooo, not the lizard people

Birneybau · 22-02-2018 01:00AM

Ajsoprano wrote: »

But surely a discussion involves more than one side giving an opinion and one man shouting bollox followed by all his friends shouting bollox

Here's what's bollox. You're talking (and I think you may be on a wind up) about putting a critical, tax funded service into the hands of private entities and you expect to be taken seriously?

Social welfare privatisation

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