Second Captains

Arghus · 20-02-2018 09:06PM

yosser hughes wrote: »

I agree. He's devoid of any charm or personality. He's phony and affected. Reminds me of Ryan Tubridy in a way. Nothing sincere about him at all.

Tubridy's terrible awkwardness is his personality.

Raoul Duke · 20-02-2018 10:27PM

jones wrote: »

ps am i the only subscriber who never received the goody pack? Subscribed last march or so and it just never showed up. I did notice on the website it says "If requested, you can get the Second Captaineer induction pack!" do you have to actually request it?

Me too. Subscriber since week 1. Didn't get one, but didn't ask for one either.

Utopia Parkway · 21-02-2018 12:41AM

Arghus wrote: »

Y'see the second captains boys at least have some charm on their side.

I find myself in broad agreement with the "right-on" politics in SC and OTB 90% of the time, but for some reason I don't like the way Gilroy and Malloy preach about it, even if I think they're generally right.

Think that sums it up for me. Even though I imagine their politics are quite similiar I find the tone on OTB to generally be a lot more "preachy" than SC.

CaptivePortal · 21-02-2018 09:18AM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Think that sums it up for me. Even though I imagine their politics are quite similiar I find the tone on OTB to generally be a lot more "preachy" than SC.

This but i think its because the SC lads are far more intelligent and *ahem* make cogent arguments. Certainly OTB has no one on Kens level.

Dots1982 · 21-02-2018 10:35AM

Can definitely agree that second captains are far funnier and the banter between them is much smoother and easier on the ear.

But for me it’s not the be all and end all. OTB better in other respects.

Salvation Tambourine · 21-02-2018 10:38AM

I know it's the Second Captains thread but I'm going to add to the Off the Ball comments.

I listened to Monday's podcast last night. I honestly couldn't tell if Joe Molloy believed in what he was saying or was he trying to get at Keith Andrews?

He says diving doesn't bother him at all and it's just part of the game, he came across as very smug "I appreciate all aspects of the game" for example.

On Second Captains, I really enjoyed the Nicole Owens Player's Chair.

Brock Turnpike · 21-02-2018 01:00PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

OTB better in other respects.

Such as?

EDIT: In relation to your comment that "it's not the be all and end all"... The problem is that OTB seem to think it is the be all and end all, and subsequently end up with this "look at all the craic we're having" act.

Klinkhammer · 21-02-2018 01:07PM

Off the Ball gets better guests from the football World due to Kilbanes connections.

Both shows have annoying presenters in my opinion. I'm a big fan of Kilbane and Nevin so that coupled with the fact that it's live free radio with the same amount of ads as second captains means it wins out for me.

bren2001 · 21-02-2018 01:14PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Off the Ball gets better guests from the football World due to Kilbanes connections.

Both shows have annoying presenters in my opinion. I'm a big fan of Kilbane and Nevin so that coupled with the fact that it's live free radio with the same amount of ads as second captains means it wins out for me.

There are no ads on SC.

Cienciano · 21-02-2018 01:15PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Off the Ball gets better guests from the football World due to Kilbanes connections.

Both shows have annoying presenters in my opinion. I'm a big fan of Kilbane and Nevin so that coupled with the fact that it's live free radio with the same amount of ads as second captains means it wins out for me.

Wow, I'm surprised!

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Haven't listened in a while but tuned in to the last 2 Monday football shows. I'm assuming they've started cursing like mad now that they answer to no one. Really cheapens the show.

Klinkhammer wrote: »

I'm not really touchy about it. Just never heard them do it before and it's sounds really unnatural. I don't think it's particularly clever in a podcast about sports. They're in danger of stooping to the Football Ramble style crap.

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Well they didn't do it when they had to answer to Denis O'Brien or the Irish Times. Anyway I'm sorry if I upset the fan boys here. Carry on.

Oh yeah. It's you. :rolleyes:

Back on topic, I wasn't a fan of the players chair this week, I ended up deleting it about half way in.

Klinkhammer · 21-02-2018 01:16PM

bren2001 wrote: »

There are no ads on SC.

There is. They spend ages advertising their paid service.

dulpit · 21-02-2018 01:19PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

There is. They spend ages advertising their paid service.

Only in the free show though?

bren2001 · 21-02-2018 01:21PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

There is. They spend ages advertising their paid service.

I disagree, they are not ads.

Even if you count them as ads, SC would still have far far less than OTB. Only pops up in 2 podcasts out of 6 a week for a minute or so.

The main advantage OTB has is that its live, can get better guests and releases an ad-free version via podcast. The advantage SC has is it can react to news faster than OTB as they can release podcasts any time during the day. That and they are better at their jobs. Seems bizarre to compare them on ads tho.

Klinkhammer · 21-02-2018 01:28PM

bren2001 wrote: »

I disagree, they are not ads.

Even if you count them as ads, SC would still have far far less than OTB. Only pops up in 2 podcasts out of 6 a week for a minute or so.

The main advantage OTB has is that its live, can get better guests and releases an ad-free version via podcast. The advantage SC has is it can react to news faster than OTB as they can release podcasts any time during the day. That and they are better at their jobs. Seems bizarre to compare them on ads tho.

I don't pay for it. The football one from Monday before last had about 5 minutes of them advertising the paid service in the first half hour. Didn't listen to the rest of it but I'd imagine they went again. I don't blame them for doing this BTW. But it is advertising.

I like Mcdevitt and Early and the football show was much better when it was just them. I much prefer the football show on OTB now. Again Kilbane and the likes of Nevin and Hunter is just better.

I have no interest in any of their GAA, Rugby, Golf or
politics coverage so there's not enough there for me to justify the price along with the 6 or 7 other subscriptions I pay every month.

JoseJones · 21-02-2018 01:39PM

Klinkhammer wrote: »

Hunter is just better.

Good post but I'm afraid you've just invalidated your opinion :pac::D

frefrefre · 21-02-2018 01:42PM

Haven’t listened in a good while. Is Sadlier one of the main people on SC now, or do they only have him on occasionally? I’d prefer a bigger name for the RTE panels.
Agree with the ‘forced’ craic on OTB, it’s cringey. Hunter is up is own hole and the big rugby fan does my head in, the amount of time on rugby annoys me actually.

yosser hughes · 21-02-2018 01:46PM

I don't listen to the players chair. I have no time for Ritchie.
I'm at a loss as to why he's involved at all.

Salvation Tambourine · 21-02-2018 01:53PM

yosser hughes wrote: »

I don't listen to the players chair. I have no time for Ritchie.
I'm at a loss ad to why he's involved at all.

I find him interesting on the RTE panel, Second Captains shows and the Player's Chair, so I reckon they're trying to appeal to people like myself.

Salvation Tambourine · 21-02-2018 01:54PM

frefrefre wrote: »

I’d prefer a bigger name for the RTE panels.

Do you mean that you'd prefer someone more high profile to be part of the RTE panel for Champions League, Ireland matches etc?

Rather than someone who played for Millwall for a bit and had to retire early?

Brock Turnpike · 21-02-2018 01:59PM

yosser hughes wrote: »

. I have no time for Ritchie.
.

Matt? Shane? Andy?

Dots1982 · 21-02-2018 02:04PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

OTB better in other respects.

Such as?

EDIT: In relation to your comment that "it's not the be all and end all"... The problem is that OTB seem to think it is the be all and end all, and subsequently end up with this "look at all the craic we're having" act.

It's a long list..

Their main pundits are attending games not speaking from a remove of thru a TV like Ken. Kens views are coloured through press conferences and interviews. I need a bigger slant on what's happening on the pitch. Ken probably hasn't attended a PL game in at least 2 years.

Otb' main pundits have played the game or are journalists, SC's are just journalists apart from Richie sadlier who is a very nice man but I have no idea how he has carved a career as a pundit. To my ear he simply has very little interesting to say about football apart from Millwall stories. He has nothing near to offer like kilbane offers on almost every topic.

Otb can react to live sport. SC do not.

Otb have loads more content to listen.

Arguments occur more frequently on otb. Everyone is in deference to Ken on SC. mcdevitt will say the counterpoint but won't actually full on argue with Ken. Murph is in awe of Ken.

Dan McDonnell for me is simply streets ahead of any other Irish journo when it comes to coverage of the Irish scene. He knows league one Irish eligible players and underage prospects that Ken or Dion would barely have heard of. He knows the domestic scene like Ken and Dion could only dream of. He is also balanced not biased like Ken, Richie and dion with regards to what Ireland should achieve.

I've have just discussed the football end of both shows. SC are in deeper water again when it comes to their weak GAA coverage.

There's a feeling I get from the posts I read here. Fans love the repoiree of the SC boys and kens ability to make us crack up (believe blatter, it doesn't matter for example) and aren't as much worried about getting an insight on what they are watching. This is furthered when I hear people say they want Miguel Delaney off the show. Delaney is a dick on twitter but he is well connected and is a scooping journo that is badly needed on SC.

From all their talk of member led journalism SC have barely broken a story that ended up in Irish papers in their 5 years...that isn't great.

jones · 21-02-2018 03:26PM

yosser hughes wrote: »

I don't listen to the players chair. I have no time for Ritchie.
I'm at a loss as to why he's involved at all.

This is going to come across as pedantic and i do like Richie but that "howya lads" greeting really boils my blood :pac:

Dots1982 · 21-02-2018 03:34PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

OTB better in other respects.

Such as?

EDIT: In relation to your comment that "it's not the be all and end all"... The problem is that OTB seem to think it is the be all and end all, and subsequently end up with this "look at all the craic we're having" act.

It's a long list..

Their main pundits are attending games not speaking from a remove of thru a TV like Ken. Kens views are coloured through press conferences and interviews. I need a bigger slant on what's happening on the pitch. Ken probably hasn't attended a PL game in at least 2 years.

Otb' main pundits have played the game or are journalists, SC's are just journalists apart from Richie sadlier who is a very nice man but I have no idea how he has carved a career as a pundit. To my ear he simply has very little interesting to say about football apart from Millwall stories. He has nothing near to offer like kilbane offers on almost every topic.

Otb can react to live sport. SC do not.

Otb have loads more content to listen.

Arguments occur more frequently on otb. Everyone is in deference to Ken on SC. mcdevitt will say the counterpoint but won't actually full on argue with Ken. Murph is in awe of Ken.

Dan McDonnell for me is simply streets ahead of any other Irish journo when it comes to coverage of the Irish scene. He knows league one Irish eligible players and underage prospects that Ken or Dion would barely have heard of. He knows the domestic scene like Ken and Dion could only dream of. He is also balanced not biased like Ken, Richie and dion with regards to what Ireland should achieve.

I've have just discussed the football end of both shows. SC are in deeper water again when it comes to their weak GAA coverage.

There's a feeling I get from the posts I read here. Fans love the repoiree of the SC boys and kens ability to make us crack up (believe blatter, it doesn't matter for example) and aren't as much worried about getting an insight on what they are watching. This is furthered when I hear people say they want Miguel Delaney off the show. Delaney is a dick on twitter but he is well connected and is a scooping journo that is badly needed on SC.

From all their talk of member led journalism SC have barely broken a story that ended up in Irish papers in their 5 years...that isn't great.

Actually another one important to mention, OTB interact with listener feedback better. SC just read out some email from some lad ..who for some reason are always abroad in far flung destinations..and read out their pointless emails that raise nothing interest from my point of view on the show.

If I was determined to have an email read out on the show I’d pretend to be lady subscriber currently living in Vietnam

Dots1982 · 21-02-2018 03:37PM

jones wrote: »

yosser hughes wrote: »

I don't listen to the players chair. I have no time for Ritchie.
I'm at a loss as to why he's involved at all.

This is going to come across as pedantic and i do like Richie but that "howya lads" greeting really boils my blood :pac:

That is quite pedantic.

id be interested to hear what do people like about richie or what opinions or insights he had provided to the show that were interesting? I simply don’t see it.

Baggly · 21-02-2018 03:42PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

It's a long list..

Their main pundits are attending games not speaking from a remove of thru a TV like Ken. Kens views are coloured through press conferences and interviews. I need a bigger slant on what's happening on the pitch. Ken probably hasn't attended a PL game in at least 2 years.

Otb' main pundits have played the game or are journalists, SC's are just journalists apart from Richie sadlier who is a very nice man but I have no idea how he has carved a career as a pundit. To my ear he simply has very little interesting to say about football apart from Millwall stories. He has nothing near to offer like kilbane offers on almost every topic.

Otb can react to live sport. SC do not.

Otb have loads more content to listen.

Arguments occur more frequently on otb. Everyone is in deference to Ken on SC. mcdevitt will say the counterpoint but won't actually full on argue with Ken. Murph is in awe of Ken.

Dan McDonnell for me is simply streets ahead of any other Irish journo when it comes to coverage of the Irish scene. He knows league one Irish eligible players and underage prospects that Ken or Dion would barely have heard of. He knows the domestic scene like Ken and Dion could only dream of. He is also balanced not biased like Ken, Richie and dion with regards to what Ireland should achieve.

I've have just discussed the football end of both shows. SC are in deeper water again when it comes to their weak GAA coverage.

There's a feeling I get from the posts I read here. Fans love the repoiree of the SC boys and kens ability to make us crack up (believe blatter, it doesn't matter for example) and aren't as much worried about getting an insight on what they are watching. This is furthered when I hear people say they want Miguel Delaney off the show. Delaney is a dick on twitter but he is well connected and is a scooping journo that is badly needed on SC.

From all their talk of member led journalism SC have barely broken a story that ended up in Irish papers in their 5 years...that isn't great.

I hope you dont mind me offering up some reaction to your post, and i hope you will take it as constructive discussion, because im not disagreeing with your points out of fanboi-ism.

Its ok to want that wider slant as well as the SC take on events on the pitch. For me, Ken isnt offering a take of whats happening on the pitch - he is offering an interpretation of the wider context behind what happened on the pitch. I dont see SC as competing with regards to getting the nuts and bolts of what happened on the pitch.

I also think, despite some of their live coverage and attendance of games, OTB get as much right in their analysis as they do get it wrong.

I also feel you are coming across as from the 'football man' school of thinking in what you have posted above. Who cares if they have or havent played soccer at a high level - they have dedicated their careers towards analysis of the game. How many games does someone have to play to be taken seriously? Michael Owen played umteen games in the PL - do you value his opinion on things more than Dunphy or Giles, who havent played in decades? Over Dan McDonnell who hasnt played in the PL? How does that work that OTB are better because they have semi recent players on their books?

I dont listen to any GAA coverage, so i couldnt comment on the standard of it, to be fair to you.

And re: Dan McDonnell - he is extremely knowledgable - no argument from me there - but he has so little charisma that i find it really hard to stay with him when he is explaining things. Charisma and being able to structure stories, not just report them, does come into it, especially on a aural format like radio or a podcast.

Finally, i dont think stories breaking in newspapers is the bar for anything these days. Newspapers are a dieing media, with more and more news being published and, more important, consumed on digital media like non-traditional news sites, podcasts and even Twitter, over either newspapers and/or newspaper websites.

frefrefre · 21-02-2018 03:52PM

Nokotan wrote: »

Do you mean that you'd prefer someone more high profile to be part of the RTE panel for Champions League, Ireland matches etc?

Rather than someone who played for Millwall for a bit and had to retire early?

Both. His insight is poor and he didn’t have much of a career really.

Baggly · 21-02-2018 04:00PM

Dots1982 wrote: »

That is quite pedantic.

id be interested to hear what do people like about richie or what opinions or insights he had provided to the show that were interesting? I simply don’t see it.

frefrefre wrote: »

Both. His insight is poor and he didn’t have much of a career really.

Do ye have any examples of where he fell down in his insights?

I mean he has been used sparingly on SC for the past year in terms of analysing matches - thats mostly been left to Ken - he is doing player interviews, which he is much better suited to imo, seeing as he is a psychologist.

On RTE, i think he offers good insight into the thought processes and mindset of the teams. He certainly had a more recent career than the majority of panelists on RTE. His insight on McClean ahead of the Wales game was spot on imo as well, as an example of when his insight was keen.

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-02-2018 04:12PM

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Dots1982 · 21-02-2018 04:19PM

Pter wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

That is quite pedantic.

id be interested to hear what do people like about richie or what opinions or insights he had provided to the show that were interesting? I simply don’t see it.

frefrefre wrote: »

Both. His insight is poor and he didn’t have much of a career really.

Do ye have any examples of where he fell down in his insights?

I mean he has been used sparingly on SC for the past year in terms of analysing matches - thats mostly been left to Ken - he is doing player interviews, which he is much better suited to imo, seeing as he is a psychologist.

On RTE, i think he offers good insight into the thought processes and mindset of the teams. He certainly had a more recent career than the majority of panelists on RTE. His insight on McClean ahead of the Wales game was spot on imo as well, as an example of when his insight was keen.

He doesn’t as much fall down with insights as not really offer any.... i find him bland. Saying McClean is a loose cannon is spot on but hardly anything any adult football supporter in the UK or ireland wouldn’t be able to tell you.

I don’t find the players chair good .. i find it bland or overly earnest..jesus its just sport at the end of the day. I think Ken or Mcdevitt could do as much with it. I basically don’t get sadlier...I don’t know if people like him because he’s affable or because they get something from him that I don’t..

21-02-2018 04:20PM

jones wrote: »

yosser hughes wrote: »

I don't listen to the players chair. I have no time for Ritchie.
I'm at a loss as to why he's involved at all.

This is going to come across as pedantic and i do like Richie but that "howya lads" greeting really boils my blood :pac:

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