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The 8th amendment(Mod warning in op)

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  • #7682
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Andrew Beef wrote:
    The Rape Committee solutions stands; my only ancillary observation is that looking at the maths of it, only circa 14 babies are born as a result of rape each year so that’s the scale of the issue. On that basis, there’s no way that 14 cases should be the trojan horse for abortion on demand.


    Yeah, thankfully we're living in 2018 so that's not gonna happen.


  • #7683
    2wsxcde3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭2wsxcde3


    Andrew Beef wrote: »
    20% of pregnancies in the UK end in abortion; are they all rape and incest cases?! That’s abortion as a form of contraception.

    Women travelling to the UK for abortions in a way are victims as much as anything else of the media and leftist pushing people into having sex. Young people nowadays feel like there is something wrong with them if they are not having sex. They then have sex and of course things go wrong and they end up pregnant. We've gone from one extreme (with no sex allowed) to the other extreme (you're weird unless you're having lots of sex).

    The older you get, the better and better an idea only having sex inside marriage seems. No STIs, no cancer causing HPV, no unwanted pregnancies, no timewasters (of men who are only after one thing) ...and you know the person you're dating is genuine as they are willing to wait till marriage.


  • #7684
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    Women travelling to the UK for abortions in a way are victims as much as anything else of the media and leftist pushing people into having sex. Young people nowadays feel like there is something wrong with them if they are not having sex. They then have sex and of course things go wrong and they end up pregnant. We've gone from one extreme (with no sex allowed) to the other extreme (you're weird unless you're having lots of sex).

    The older you get, the better and better an idea only having sex inside marriage seems. No STIs, no cancer causing HPV, no unwanted pregnancies, no timewasters (of men who are only after one thing) ...and you know the person you're dating is genuine as they are willing to wait till marriage.

    Ha ha ha!!! Are you serious? Do you think older people (30's/40's/50's) dont have sex fir fun/pleasure and wait for marriage?


  • #7685
    2wsxcde3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭2wsxcde3


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ha ha ha!!! Are you serious? Do you think older people (30's/40's/50's) dont have sex fir fun/pleasure and wait for marriage?

    No. I'm just saying it is a good idea. It keeps life simple.


  • #7686
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    No. I'm just saying it is a good idea. It keeps life simple.

    For simple people maybe


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  • #7687
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    Sorry what? There are unwanted pregnancies within a marriage. In fact married women in there late 30’s/40’s are the fastest growing group seeking abortions. Abortions for under 25s is going down, due to better education and access to contraception.


  • #7688
    2wsxcde3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭2wsxcde3


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    For simple people maybe

    The simpler you can keep life the better. But we live in a culture that is hell bent on making life as complicated for people as possible.


  • #7689
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    2wsxcde3 wrote:
    No. I'm just saying it is a good idea. It keeps life simple.


    Hmmm, and extremely boring.


  • #7690
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    Women travelling to the UK for abortions in a way are victims as much as anything else of the media and leftist pushing people into having sex. Young people nowadays feel like there is something wrong with them if they are not having sex. They then have sex and of course things go wrong and they end up pregnant. We've gone from one extreme (with no sex allowed) to the other extreme (you're weird unless you're having lots of sex).

    The older you get, the better and better an idea only having sex inside marriage seems. No STIs, no cancer causing HPV, no unwanted pregnancies, no timewasters (of men who are only after one thing) ...and you know the person you're dating is genuine as they are willing to wait till marriage.

    Women don’t need you to save them from themselves.
    We are more than capable of making responsible, informed decisions for ourselves without the guidance of yourself, thanks very much.

    Once again, why the obsession with other people’s bedroom activities?!?
    Sex is to be enjoyed.
    It’s a very important part about of any healthy relationship.
    Why are you trying to control what kind of sex other people have? Why do you care?


  • #7691
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    WhiteRoses wrote:
    Once again, why the obsession with other people’s bedroom activities?!? Sex is to be enjoyed. It’s a very important part about of any healthy relationship. Why are you trying to control what kind of sex other people have? Why do you care?


    It's the exact same attitude the nuns had and do you know why they had that attitude?

    Because they were JEALOUS.


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  • #7692
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    The simpler you can keep life the better. But we live in a culture that is hell bent on making life as complicated for people as possible.

    Lifes only as difficult as you choose to make it

    You claimed older people wait for marraige before having sex, i would like to see evidence for this claim please.


  • #7693
    2wsxcde3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭2wsxcde3


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    Why are you trying to control what kind of sex other people have? Why do you care?

    Isn't the media dictating the kind of sex lives people live? Sex and the city etc etc. Its a fact that young people nowadays feel under pressure to give the impression they are sexually active even when they aren't. That's not healthy.

    The media and the left want to sexualise young people in order to make them think along more liberal lines and consequently make them more likely to vote for a liberal abortion regime. The media tries to control the sex lives of young people by making them believe there is something wrong with them unless they are having sex.


  • #7694
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    Isn't the media dictating the kind of sex lives people live? Sex and the city etc etc. Its a fact that young people nowadays feel under pressure to give the impression they are sexually active even when they aren't. That's not healthy.

    Sex and the City last aired in 2004 so you’re about 14 years late with that analogy.

    I don’t think so, I think people have more freedom to explore their sexuality and experiment in a way they couldn’t before.
    People aren’t under pressure to marry and have the 2.0 kids by the age of 25 any more.
    None of this is a bad thing.

    But this also has nothing to do with the referendum.
    Still throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks, it seems.


  • #7695
    Andrew Beef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Andrew Beef


    I think, to be fair, that the issue isn’t the fornication per se; it the refusal to deal with the occasional consequences, i.e. a baby. It is not right to fornicate left, right, and centre, only to end the life of an unborn child just because it doesn’t suit. Fornication should not take place unless both participants are willing to accept that life may be created.


  • #7696
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    Isn't the media dictating the kind of sex lives people live? Sex and the city etc etc. Its a fact that young people nowadays feel under pressure to give the impression they are sexually active even when they aren't. That's not healthy.

    Nobody is forcing or dictating to anyone in society to anything.
    Except this current campaign which is dicatating to women what they can’t do with their bodies and forcing them to be incubators


  • #7697
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    But the media and the left need to sexualise young people in order to make them think along more liberal lines and consequently they will be more likely to vote for a liberal abortion regime. The media tries to control the sex lives of young people by making them believe there is something wrong with them unless they are having sex.

    Give one example of any of this.

    By the way Liberal means:
    1. Willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

    2.(of education) concerned with broadening a person's general knowledge and experience, rather than with technical or professional training.

    How does being liberal make young people sex mad.


  • #7698
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Andrew Beef wrote: »
    I think, to be fair, that the issue isn’t the fornication per se; it the refusal to deal with the occasional consequences, i.e. a baby. It is not right to fornicate left, right, and centre, only to end the life of an unborn child just because it doesn’t suit. Fornication should not take place unless both participants are willing to accept that life may be created.

    ‘Fornicate????’
    You sound the Westboro Baptist Church now, that’s the word they use!

    Anyway, I would consider bringing a baby into the world to be a bit more serious than an ‘occasional consequence’.
    A child should be much more significant and important than an occasional inconvenience, as you so nicely dismissed it as.

    Do you think it’s in the very best interests of any child to be born to a mother who does not want him, and is forced into motherhood?
    Is that a good precedent for a happy, healthy, loving childhood?

    Or do you just want to punish the woman for ‘fornicating’ and enjoying sex?


  • #7699
    2wsxcde3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭2wsxcde3


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    I don’t think so, I think people have more freedom to explore their sexuality and experiment in a way they couldn’t before.

    The "freedom" is just an illusion. Are young people free to say they intend to wait until marriage to have sex? No they are not. They are immediately looked upon by their piers as being weird (the same piers that have been brainwashed by the media and don't realize it).

    There is no freedom when it comes to sex for young people. You have to do things the way other people do it, the way dictated by the media and the left. And that means you are weird unless you are having sex.


  • #7700
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    The older you get, the better and better an idea only having sex inside marriage seems. No STIs, no cancer causing HPV, no unwanted pregnancies, no timewasters (of men who are only after one thing) ...and you know the person you're dating is genuine as they are willing to wait till marriage.

    No unwanted pregnancies just because you are married? What are you smoking?


  • #7701
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    I was married when I had an abortion. (ó still am married just as an FYI to the same person). I was not married when I had my very unplanned pregnancy that I decided to keep (same father still). Unplanned pregnancies happen to married people too.


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  • #7702
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    The "freedom" is just an illusion. Are young people free to say they intend to wait until marriage to have sex? No they are not. They are immediately looked upon by their piers as being weird (the same piers that have been brainwashed by the media and don't realize it).

    There is no freedom when it comes to sex for young people. You have to do things the way other people do it, the way dictated by the media and the left. And that means you are weird unless you are having sex.

    More lies. Of course they are free to wait until they marry if they so wish.

    I am in my mid 20’s and I have never felt this pressure you speak of, either from men, my friends, or society as a whole.

    I don’t know where you are getting these notions from, I certinaly don’t go around discussing my sex life with my colleagues and acquaintances, how do you know for sure all these people are having all this sex?

    Who is going around forcing all these young people into having sex they don’t want?

    And what has this got to do with the referendum?


  • #7703
    Andrew Beef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Andrew Beef


    January wrote: »
    I was married when I had an abortion. (ó still am married just as an FYI to the same person). I was not married when I had my very unplanned pregnancy that I decided to keep (same father still). Unplanned pregnancies happen to married people too.

    If it’s not too personal a line of questioning, and please feel free not to answer, why did you have an abortion and do you regret it at all?


  • #7704
    2wsxcde3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭2wsxcde3


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    More lies. Of course they are free to wait until they marry if they so wish.

    I am in my mid 20’s and I have never felt this pressure you speak of, either from men, my friends, or society as a whole.

    I don’t know where you are getting these notions from, I certinaly don’t go around discussing my sex life with my colleagues and acquaintances, how do you know for sure all these people are having all this sex?

    Who is going around forcing all these young people into having sex they don’t want?

    And what has this got to do with the referendum?

    If a 25 year old today says they intend on waiting till marriage to have sex ...the sniggering would start. No one is free to say that today.


  • #7705
    Andrew Beef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Andrew Beef


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    Andrew Beef wrote: »
    I think, to be fair, that the issue isn’t the fornication per se; it the refusal to deal with the occasional consequences, i.e. a baby. It is not right to fornicate left, right, and centre, only to end the life of an unborn child just because it doesn’t suit. Fornication should not take place unless both participants are willing to accept that life may be created.

    ‘Fornicate????’
    You sound the Westboro Baptist Church now, that’s the word they use!

    Anyway, I would consider bringing a baby into the world to be a bit more serious than an ‘occasional consequence’.
    A child should be much more significant and important than an occasional inconvenience, as you so nicely dismissed it as.

    Do you think it’s in the very best interests of any child to be born to a mother who does not want him, and is forced into motherhood?
    Is that a good precedent for a happy, healthy, loving childhood?

    Or do you just want to punish the woman for ‘fornicating’ and enjoying sex?

    “Fornication” is a term for extra-martial sex.

    To answer your question, a woman being forced into motherhood is the lesser of two evils compared with the killing of an unborn child.

    If women (and men) want to fornicate, they must accept the possibility of a baby being conceived.

    Abortion is a “get out of jail free” card that neither the male nor the female protaganists should be allowed.


  • #7706
    captbarnacles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    The latest two prolifers to the thread are clearly on a wind-up. Rape committees and no sex before marriage to thwart the liberals?


  • #7707
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    If a 25 year old today says they intend on waiting till marriage to have sex ...the sniggering would start. No one is free to say that today.

    Can you back up that with a link to prove what your saying, or is this just more anecdotal stories?


  • #7708
    2wsxcde3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭2wsxcde3


    WhiteRoses wrote: »
    Can you back up that with a link to prove what your saying, or is this just more anecdotal stories?

    You don't need a link for the obvious.


  • #7709
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Andrew Beef wrote: »
    “Fornication” is a term for extra-martial sex.

    To answer your question, a woman being forced into motherhood is the lesser of two evils compared with the killing of an unborn child.

    If women (and men) want to fornicate, they must accept the possibility of a baby being conceived.

    Abortion is a “get out of jail free” card that neither the male nor the female protaganists should be allowed.

    Grand for you to say that, as a man who can walk away and never have motherhood forced upon him.
    You can’t also be pontificating about the importance of the unborn when in your last post you referred to a baby as an ‘occasional consequence’.
    It isn’t a bout of flu or a flat tyre, this is a human being we’re talking about.

    I care about the woman more than the unborn. Her health, wellbeing, wants and needs are far superior to that of a fetus.

    Can you please explain to me why my wants and needs are less significant to that of a 10 week old zygote?
    Would you yourself be willing to die for a 10 week old zygote? Would it be worth risking your life?


  • #7710
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    No one sniggers. Really. A liberal way of thinking means you accept all comers. My colleague is Mormon. Not married yet and I’d say in her early 20s. In the pub before Christmas another colleague mixed up Mormons and jehovahs witnesses, so she set him straight. She got way more increduelty on the fact that she can’t drink coffee rather than she was was waiting until marriage to have sex. Honestly not an eyelid was blinked.


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  • #7711
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    2wsxcde3 wrote: »
    You don't need a link for the obvious.

    No proof then, just as I thought.
    It’s ok to have an opinion but you can’t go around claiming everyone is riding all around them as fact. It isn’t true.


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