M40 motorway redesignation and demand management system [works ongoing]

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

This one will be interesting. Presumably M28 west? Even with those weird junctions at Douglas? Delighted this will happen, but intriguing now that they are sticking M's on the N40, whether chunks of the N25 and N22 (at 120kmh already) will get blues.

I had the same though with the N22. Surely they won't have a 120km/h all purpose DC running into a 100km/h motorway.

I think the whole N40 will become M with Dunkettle getting upgraded

One other item, there was discussion on the N28 thread about requiring the new M28 to be all purpose between the R610 and the N40 due to the lack of alternative access from Douglas to the N40.

If the N40 in its entirety is to be motorway reclassified this requirement is no longer relevant - and in fact it raises another issue, that the N28 from the R610 to the M40 will have to be motorway, upgrade or no upgrade. There's a second issue in that traffic coming from Carrigaline over Carrs Hill cannot exit the N28 south of the existing Carrs Hill interchange.

So regardless of whether the N28 upgrade gets rejected or not, the N28 between Carrs Hill and the M40 would have to be motorway classified.

Funny that when you hear all the anti-motorway guff and the spiel that a "dual carriageway" would be fine. Even if the M28 doesn't get approved you'll have an basically an elongated motorway sliproad down Carrs Hill that would be an "M28".

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Still, it would mean that Vernon Mount is only accessible by Motorway which is a big problem.

Where was the entrance to Vernon Mount before the SRR was built? On the old Kinsale Road?

kub wrote: »

You are bringing me back now, I remember, old enough to do that and young enough not to .

As you pass the old dump on the South Link, there is another road to the left, a narrow one with a bad surface, with a caravan at the end of it ?

Well that used to be the road that you took to get to Vernon Mount, that road went across the Link Road and across what is now the Park & Ride car park and onto the Kinsale Road, breaking out approx opposite the Centra shop.

The old road for getting to Vernon Mount is visible on Google Satellite view, you can see where the old route ran parallel to what is now the N40 and it's severed just east of the Kinsale Road Roundabout. The road out of Vernon Mount was realigned along the westbound carriageway to terminate on the westbound J6 offramp.

There is a housing estate close enough to the Vernon Mount access road where a gated entrance could be put. Does Vernon Mount generate much traffic? The existing entrance is fairly useless as well

spacetweek wrote: »

What?! Highly doubtful, can you justify this claim?

I can't prove it but I can back it up. I've met tractors on the N40 and they cause havoc due to traffic having to slow from 100/120km/h down to 20-30km/h in heavy flow.

Cyclists I haven't encountered but there was a cyclist killed on the N40/N22 dual carriageway (120km/h) section last year cycling across an off ramp in difficult visibility conditions. When it was built with the at grade roundabouts and traffic calming was one thing but the 2018 N40 is no place for anything other than motorised vehicular traffic. It's far too dangerous and busy for cyclists, pedestrians and agri vehicles

It should be in late 2018/early 2019. I'd imagine there will be a public consultation during which the anti-motorway fruitcake wagon will be out in their droves.

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

They’ll find it difficult to find reasons to object if TII want to push this through.

I think that this move is reactionary by TII with Cork City and County Councils looking for additional access to the SRR. Most recently with additional junctions at Mahon.

TII will push this through alright, they are fully entitled to. It's the objections that will delay it though.

Any objections to this will show how baseless the objections actually are. This isn't going to affect anyone outside the N40 mainline in any way except for learner drivers, cyclists and pedestrians which really shouldn't be there in the first place.

Having cyclists cycling across offramps and onramps on the 120km/h N22 Balincollig bypass is lunacy when there should be sufficient cycling facilities on the R608 through Ballincollig. There is no need whatsoever to be on the (hopefully soon to be M22) N22.