Are An Garda Síochána trying to turn everyone against each other?

HONKEY TONK · 15-02-2018 05:34PM

Jawgap wrote: »

CAB are not interested in tradesmen or women doing cash jobs and dodging tax.

Their remit is "....the illegally acquired assets of criminals involved in serious crime."

If you rang them to complain about Peter the plumber taking cash and not issuing receipts they'd tell you, politely, to fúck off by suggesting you contact another agency such as Revenue.

So unless the plumber is also doing a sideline in drug importation, human trafficking or armed robbery they're not interested.

Or put it this way, are there any examples of them (CAB) doing tradesmen for dodging VAT or tax?

So how do they tell from a random call by the public that Peter is a plumber without any type of investigation?

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2018 05:42PM

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

So how do they tell from a random call by the public that Peter is a plumber without any type of investigation?

well if you call up to report Peter the plumber and you tell them you think he is dodgy because he takes a couple of holidays a year they wont be interested. They only care about serious criminals. They might do a cursory investigation to see if he is known to gardai but probably not a lot more.

diomed · 15-02-2018 06:07PM

How difficult is it for the Garda to look up the vehicle registration database and find big cars?
Or is that too clever?

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2018 06:08PM

diomed wrote: »

How difficult is it for the Garda to look up the vehicle registration database and find big cars?
Or is that too clever?

more incredibly time consuming i would think.

PCX · 15-02-2018 06:11PM

diomed wrote: »

How difficult is it for the Garda to look up the vehicle registration database and find big cars?
Or is that too clever?

My guess is that many serious criminals are smart enough not to have too much registered in their own name.

diomed · 15-02-2018 06:11PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

more incredibly time consuming i would think.

On my little PC I can analyse the pedigrees of 40 horses a second, and that starts with finding their 126 ancestors before doing the analysis.
If there is a will there is a way.

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2018 06:13PM

diomed wrote: »

On my little PC I can analyse the pedigrees of 40 horses a second, and that starts with finding their 126 ancestors before doing the analysis.
If there is a will there is a way.

thats great. Not sure how it is relevant though.

diomed · 15-02-2018 06:23PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

thats great. Not sure how it is relevant though.

Well, there are 800,000 horses in the database.

My guess is the number or cars in Ireland would be about the same.
The owner, the address, the make, model will be in a database.
Now if you load up the price lists for Ferrari, Mercedes, Porche, Audi, Range Rover, and other expensive makes with the model and price you have the ingredients.

I bought a magazine for €3.99 last week.
Motoring Life - 2018 Ultimate car Buyers Guide
They are all in it, and if they are not you can go online and find the rest.
For example, the magazine has six Range Rover models

You have the makes and models and owners.
You have the car prices.

High-end cars would be imo much less than 1% of the total.
You will end up with a selection of a few thousand expensive cars and their owners.

If you think it is impossible it will be impossible.

Yer Da sells Avon · 15-02-2018 06:25PM

No mention of any reward. If I'm gonna turn grass, there'd better be something in it for me, that's all I'm sayin'.

PCX · 15-02-2018 06:28PM

diomed wrote: »

Well, there are 800,000 horses in the database.

My guess is the number or cars in Ireland would be about the same.
The owner, the address, the make, model will be in a database.
Now if you load up the price lists for Ferrari, Mercedes, Porche, Audi, Range Rover, and other expensive makes with the model and price you have the ingredients.

I bought a magazine for €3.99 last week.
Motoring Life - 2018 Ultimate car Buyers Guide
They are all in it, and if they are not you can go online and find the rest.
For example, the magazine has six Range Rover models

You have the makes and models and owners.
You have the car prices.

High-end cars would be imo much less than 1% of the total.
You will end up with a selection of a few thousand expensive cars and their owners.

If you think it is impossible it will be impossible.

If the cars etc are not registered in their own name then you would have to look up all of the registered owners then look into their financials. Then you would have to investigate all of those you think might have a lower income than they might need to afford the property.

The vast majority would be explainable by loan, inheritances, property sales, increased business, savings, money from family etc with a very small portion being connected with serious crime. It would be massively labour intensive for the return you would get.

People are generally not as forthcoming about having their personal finances as open to scrutiny in real time as they might be about pedegree horse ancestry. A tax return is not due in till november the year after the money might be made and then the analysis can start - not exactly real time or hard for cartels to organise to stay ahead of!

ohnonotgmail · 15-02-2018 06:28PM

diomed wrote: »

Well, there are 800,000 horses in the database.

My guess is the number or cars in Ireland would be about the same.
The owner, the address, the make, model will be in a database.
Now if you load up the price lists for Ferrari, Mercedes, Porche, Audi, Range Rover, and other expensive makes with the model and price you have the ingredients.

I bought a magazine for €3.99 last week.
Motoring Life - 2018 Ultimate car Buyers Guide
They are all in it, and if they are not you can go online and find the rest.
For example, the magazine has six Range Rover models

You have the makes and models and owners.
You have the car prices.

High-end cars would be imo much less than 1% of the total.
You will end up with a selection of a few thousand expensive cars and their owners.

If you think it is impossible it will be impossible.

and then somebody has to go an individually check the income of every owner.

diomed · 15-02-2018 06:36PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and then somebody has to go an individually check the income of every owner.

And if they do not have declared income for income tax, or an inheritance that was subject to inheritance tax you have your select group of people with unexplainable income. All this is on computer databases in different government departments, or their control.

If properly designed a list of unexplained assets should be coughed out of the computer in a few seconds.

Pat Mustard · 15-02-2018 06:50PM

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

So you're saying that CAB will not investigate what they are requesting from the public.

eg:

Dodgy looking family I have no information about seem to have the best of everything.

But they seem to be at home all the time.

The only thing that standing out to me is that they look dodgy.

Will CAB hang up or investigate it?

CAB will look at the information that they are given. If they think that it relates to somebody who is involved in serious crime, they will look into it further.

If they get information about some fella who is on disability benefit but has a three year old Fiat and goes to Torremolinos twice a year, they might not suspect serious criminality.

If they hear about someone who is on jobseekers allowance and no other apparent source of income but drives a new Lamborghini, has large houses in Dalkey, Belgravia and Monte Carlo, who jets off to Puerto Banús every second month, they are likely to suspect serious criminality and they will want to know about it.

BillyBobBS · 15-02-2018 06:55PM

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gardai-appeal-for-public-to-report-anyone-with-a-low-income-living-a-lavish-lifestyle-36606977.html

TLDR

If you think someone is living a lifestyle you think they couldn't afford.

Call the Garda

Arent people going to be reporting anyone and everyone without knowing facts about a persons financial background?

:pac: Powerful motorbikes. You can buy a motorbike that will destroy a 100k euro BMW for 3k euro. I suppose we should rat up on anyone driving a car worth more than that also.

I'd have some degree of respect for the Gardai if they themselves weren't prepared to break the law to gouge a pay rise out of us all a short time ago. Gimps.

Fr_Dougal · 15-02-2018 07:00PM

Dear Gardai/CAB,

Please visit Rathkeale.

Regards,

People of Ireland

Jawgap · 15-02-2018 07:22PM

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

So how do they tell from a random call by the public that Peter is a plumber without any type of investigation?

They likely triangulate the information.......take any tip they receive and put it into their intelligence model, and see if it's presents a profile that's worth further investigation. And by further investigation probably some initial desktop checks......if they're legit or not the type of criminal they're interested in, they move on.....it's not like they're stuck for work.

hurler32 · 15-02-2018 07:30PM

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Dear Gardai/CAB,

Please visit Rathkeale.

Regards,

People of Ireland

There are plenty of rathkeales out there at this stage ... Longford , mullingar , Tuam , Ennis , castleisland , kilrush , Tipperary town etc etc ....

as_mo_bhosca · 15-02-2018 07:48PM

hurler32 wrote: »

There are plenty of rathkeales out there at this stage ... Longford , mullingar , Tuam , Ennis , castleisland , kilrush , Tipperary town etc etc ....

I know a three of those towns very well. You may have a point but nothing compared to the cars on display in Rathkeale, especially over Xmas.

Littlehorny · 15-02-2018 08:00PM

The Garda launch an appeal for us to report people to CAB? So reading between the lines they are really saying "look its been proven time and time again that we are sh**e at our job, we are corrupt to the core and the only thing we can do is fob the work of sorting lawlessness out is to another government agency. Now leave us alone, my pizza's getting cold and I've have a load of overtime to book in for ignoring people when they ring looking for help".

the_syco · 15-02-2018 08:18PM

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gardai-appeal-for-public-to-report-anyone-with-a-low-income-living-a-lavish-lifestyle-36606977.html

TLDR

If you think someone is living a lifestyle you think they couldn't afford.

Report all the travellers, yeah?

Captain Obvious · 15-02-2018 09:12PM

Littlehorny wrote: »

The Garda launch an appeal for us to report people to CAB? So reading between the lines they are really saying "look its been proven time and time again that we are sh**e at our job, we are corrupt to the core and the only thing we can do is fob the work of sorting lawlessness out is to another government agency. Now leave us alone, my pizza's getting cold and I've have a load of overtime to book in for ignoring people when they ring looking for help".

You realise you aren't expected to do the investigation or prosecution right?

lawred2 · 15-02-2018 09:13PM

HONKEY TONK wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gardai-appeal-for-public-to-report-anyone-with-a-low-income-living-a-lavish-lifestyle-36606977.html

TLDR

If you think someone is living a lifestyle you think they couldn't afford.

Call the Garda

Arent people going to be reporting anyone and everyone without knowing facts about a persons financial background?

What's wrong with that?

Nettle Soup · 15-02-2018 09:18PM

I find it hard to believe how much disrespect I have for the Gardaí compared to even 15 years ago. I do not trust them whatsoever.
Nothing to do with this story, I just think the whole force is corrupt.

Captain Obvious · 15-02-2018 09:42PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I find it hard to believe how much disrespect I have for the Gardaí compared to even 15 years ago. I do not trust them whatsoever.
Nothing to do with this story, I just think the whole force is corrupt.

That's unfortunate. What happened to you?

suicide_circus · 15-02-2018 09:44PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

That's unfortunate. What happened to you?

He's probably been reading the news

Captain Obvious · 15-02-2018 10:07PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

He's probably been reading the news

Probably. Although, I'd say there's about 5 positive news stories, if not more, about the Gardaí for each negative one in the news. Someone that easily swayed would be difficult to win over.

15-02-2018 10:27PM

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

No mention of any reward. If I'm gonna turn grass, there'd better be something in it for me, that's all I'm sayin'.

A brand new set of stitches :P

Wheeliebin30 · 15-02-2018 10:34PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I find it hard to believe how much disrespect I have for the Gardaí compared to even 15 years ago. I do not trust them whatsoever.
Nothing to do with this story, I just think the whole force is corrupt.

The whole force?

Every one of them?

Links please.

Moron.

oceanman · 15-02-2018 10:51PM

Nettle Soup wrote: »

I find it hard to believe how much disrespect I have for the Gardaí compared to even 15 years ago. I do not trust them whatsoever.
Nothing to do with this story, I just think the whole force is corrupt.

I wouldn't say all of them, plenty of rotten apples in the barrel for sure, but a few good ones out there too. sadly the dodgy ones give the good ones a bad name.

James Brown · 16-02-2018 03:24AM

Yet the Garda don't take too kindly to anyone reporting on them....

Are An Garda Síochána trying to turn everyone against each other?

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