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Fine Universities that are denying free speech.

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  • #272
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    Hate speech is a term that has been utilized by aggressive totalitarians in an attempt to silence other people. There's no such thing. There are perfectly good laws covering harassment and incitement to violence.

    Could you give an example when hate speech laws were used to silence someone? Its very rarely used as far as I can tell.


  • #273
    LaChatteGitane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭LaChatteGitane


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    It's very subjective. I'm sure some little totalitarian would have a field day censoring all sorts of opinions.

    Subjective, my behind.

    From merriam webster
    "Legal Definition of hate speech
    : speech that is intended to insult, offend, or intimidate a person because of some trait (as race, religion, sexual orientation, national origin, or disability)"


  • #274
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    20Cent wrote: »
    Could you give an example when hate speech laws were used to silence someone? Its very rarely used as far as I can tell.

    I said some people have 'attempted' to silence people. Thankfully, the police realize that the law is unworkable in a free society.


  • #275
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    LaChatteGitane wrote: »
    Subjective, my behind.

    From merriam webster
    "Legal Definition of hate speech
    : speech that is intended to insult, offend, or intimidate a person because of some trait (as race, religion, sexual orientation, national origin, or disability)"

    It's completely subjective and unworkable. If a Conservative commentator says he thinks homosexuality is immoral, is that so-called 'hate speech'?


  • #276
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    It's completely subjective and unworkable. If a Conservative commentator says he thinks homosexuality is immoral, is that so-called 'hate speech'?

    Clearly not since they say it all the time.

    Did you watch the Milo video's about the trans student?


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  • #277
    LaChatteGitane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭LaChatteGitane


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    It's completely subjective and unworkable. If a Conservative commentator says he thinks homosexuality is immoral, is that so-called 'hate speech'?

    It probably is, for people without a moral compass. Sigh


  • #278
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    LaChatteGitane wrote: »
    It probably is, for people without a moral compass. Sigh

    You mean you disagree with me.


  • #279
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Mutant z wrote: »
    The time has come to uphold democracy and freedom of speech at Universities
    It's nice that you support white-pride neo-Nazi supporting their view of holocaust denial.


  • #280
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    the_syco wrote: »
    It's nice that you support white-pride neo-Nazi supporting their view of holocaust denial.

    With that well-thought out thesis, I'm done.


  • #281
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    It's completely subjective and unworkable. If a Conservative commentator says he thinks homosexuality is immoral, is that so-called 'hate speech'?
    Yup. In the past, anything goes, but now they're banning most debates as the SJW version of the Hitler Youth is now shutting down everything that they don't like, without seeing the irony.

    IMO, it's stupid.


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  • #282
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    the_syco wrote: »
    Yup. In the past, anything goes, but now they're banning most debates as the SJW version of the Hitler Youth is now shutting down everything that they don't like, without seeing the irony.

    IMO, it's stupid.

    Apologies, I didn't realise your first comment was ironic. Yes, spot on.


  • #283
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    the_syco wrote: »
    Yup. In the past, anything goes, but now they're banning most debates as the SJW version of the Hitler Youth is now shutting down everything that they don't like, without seeing the irony.

    IMO, it's stupid.

    What debates have been banned?


  • #284
    DickSwiveller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭DickSwiveller


    20Cent wrote: »
    What debates have been banned?

    http://www.universityobserver.ie/news/94-of-uk-universities-restrict-free-speech/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/02/14/90-percent-universities-restricting-free-speech-study-finds/

    This sort of obnoxious attitude extends to other areas too. Many universities are taking books off of syllabuses because they contain stories that might "trigger" students.


  • #285
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    DickSwiveller wrote: »
    http://www.universityobserver.ie/news/94-of-uk-universities-restrict-free-speech/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/02/14/90-percent-universities-restricting-free-speech-study-finds/

    This sort of obnoxious attitude extends to other areas too. Many universities are taking books off of syllabuses because they contain stories that might "trigger" students.


    Restrictions on free speech extend everywhere. Two posts were deleted from this thread for repeating what a person even says about himself.
    Claiming that any policy regarding guests is a violation of free speech is the type of hysterical rhetoric Spiked online specialises in.


  • #286
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,568 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    20Cent wrote: »
    Two posts were deleted from this thread for repeating what a person even says about himself.

    Mod note:

    They were deleted because they were questioning moderation on thread, which you know is against the forum rules, and which you seem intent on doing. If you habe a problem please PM the mods.


  • #287
    Jcarroll07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭Jcarroll07


    the_syco wrote: »
    It's nice that you support white-pride neo-Nazi supporting their view of holocaust denial.

    Free speech now = nazism, that is one hell of a perversion of history and facts.


  • #288
    the_syco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,308 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Jcarroll07 wrote: »
    Free speech now = nazism, that is one hell of a perversion of history and facts.
    Yourself and DickSwiveller have heads on your shoulders, but a lot of people don't. David Irving (Fascist and Holocaust denier) was going to speak at NUIG for a debate, but AFAIK, this was cancelled due to "security concerns".

    That was back in 2009. Since then, SJW's became a thing to be reckoned with, and now universities seem to be afraid of getting the wrong person in, in case they get mobbed by SJW's, whom you can't arrest, or you become the "bad person", and get a load of international bad press (and get less funding that international students bring in).


  • #289
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Jcarroll07 wrote: »
    Free speech now = nazism, that is one hell of a perversion of history and facts.

    No that's not the point being made. If one is for totally free speech the should nazi's be allowed a platform? Everyone has a limit about what they wouldn't allow.


  • #290
    Permabear
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  • #291
    20Cent
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    How to get away with molesting kids talk saturday main hall Trinity College.

    Yes or no?


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  • #292
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,596 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    20Cent wrote: »
    How to get away with molesting kids talk saturday main hall Trinity College.

    Yes or no?

    That's not an opinion, it's enabling illegal activity. It's like me giving a talk on how to hack AIB bank accounts.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #293
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #294
    20Cent
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    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    That's not an opinion, it's enabling illegal activity. It's like me giving a talk on how to hack AIB bank accounts.


    Like this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwMuMSPW3bU


    Genocide is illegal last time I checked.
    Does your workplace have a code of conduct?
    Why shouldn't universities.


  • #295
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I'm not saying there are opinions or beliefs that should not be allowed be expressed, just that universities are not obliged to host them or give them a platform. Students should also be allowed to protest them if they want to.


  • #296
    ancapailldorcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,596 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    20Cent wrote: »
    Like this?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwMuMSPW3bU


    Genocide is illegal last time I checked.
    Does your workplace have a code of conduct?
    Why shouldn't universities.

    Presumably there was an ATM-hacking spree after this. I can't watch the video at the moment so I can't comment on it.

    On to your latter point.. well, strawman, I never said that at all. Have you read my posts on this thread at all? I don't agree with no platforming but Universities have the right to invite whomever they please. It's their platform, their property and their responsibility.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #297
    Jcarroll07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭Jcarroll07


    20Cent wrote: »
    Everyone has a limit about what they wouldn't allow.

    Yup hence the historical need for free speech because people governments took it upon themselves to impose those limitations and pretty much without exception abused those powers. Hence progressives or enlightened thinkers saw the need for a philosophical and political principle that simple said no you can t limit what people say. Actions yes but words no. Prosecuting the former is based on objective fact he either hit you or did not, the latter is based on subjective opinion and far more susceptible to concept creep which is what we are seeing now.


  • #298
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #299
    Jcarroll07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 192 ✭✭Jcarroll07


    20Cent wrote: »
    I'm not saying there are opinions or beliefs that should not be allowed be expressed, just that universities are not obliged to host them or give them a platform. Students should also be allowed to protest them if they want to.

    No one is saying they can't protest, difference between protesting and then taking action to shut down an event. But i have stated Irish university administration are not on side with the no platform crew thankfully. Trinity admin has come out strongly against it like when they told students to put up or get out last year after the israeli ambassadors visit.


  • #300
    20Cent
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,941 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Be a neo nazi all you like in the comfort of your own home or in private settings. Step outside to recruit and push this ideology then expect pushback.
    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.


    Do professors use the n word to black students? call female students bitches?
    Nope there is a code of conduct everywhere.


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Vastly exaggerated only been a handful of incidents.


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  • #301
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


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