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Are An Garda Síochána trying to turn everyone against each other?

  • 15-02-2018 02:09PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭


    Gardai appeal for public to report anyone with a low income living a lavish lifestyle

    THE Criminal Assets Bureau (CAB) have appealed for lifestyle information including details of luxury cars, powerful motorbikes, designer clothing and exotic foreign holidays in a bid to track down crime gangs.

    The public appeal for lifestyle data came as CAB officers are now focusing multiple operations outside the greater Dublin area.

    Detectives believe that some gang members have deliberately switched their personal bases outside Dublin in a bid to avoid the spotlight.

    Now, CAB have appealed to the public to report any lifestyle issues that they might consider suspicious ranging from individuals who don't have any specific means of income and yet who drive powerful, expensive cars and enjoy multiple foreign holidays each year.

    In other cases, detectives have asked people to report anyone who may appear to have a job but whose spending appears vastly greater than their likely wages.

    The primary target of the operation is drug operations - but CAB are also determined to crackdown on burglary gangs, smugglers and organised prostitution networks.

    CAB are also concerned at reports of an upsurge in illegal money-lending.

    "If people have unexplained wealth, we want to hear about it," a CAB source said.

    "The only way we can target these criminals is with information which helps us to focus our investigation resources."

    However, that monitoring now extends to social media in a bid to determine the cars, clothing, jewellery, holidays and general spending of individuals.


    Despite the obvious risks, some Irish criminals have been foolish enough to post photos on social media which involved elements of their lifestyle - and found themselves facing CAB queries as to the source of the funds involved.

    CAB works closely with key Garda units and is briefed on all relevant data from PULSE, the Garda computer system.

    Roughly six out of ten CAB operations are now focused on the greater Dublin area - but the bureau is determined to crackdown on criminals trying to hide their wealth in other cities including Cork, Galway, Limerick and Waterford.

    Both senior Gardaí and CAB officers stressed that all information received from the public will be treated in the strictest confidence.

    “The Gardaí have local profilers which are trained by the bureau to assist in CAB enquiries," Chief Supt Ger Dillane said.

    "But we depend on information - and the public are vital to assisting us with these vital investigations. People need to know that a tip-off will not result in them appearing in court and most information taken by us is on an anonymous or confidential basis," he said.


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gardai-appeal-for-public-to-report-anyone-with-a-low-income-living-a-lavish-lifestyle-36606977.html

    TLDR

    If you think someone is living a lifestyle you think they couldn't afford.

    Call the Garda


    Arent people going to be reporting anyone and everyone without knowing facts about a persons financial background?


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,104 ✭✭✭boombang


    I have no problem with this. Scumbags get caught. Honest successful people produce a tax return. Case closed.

    I know I'm being simplistic, but you get my point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gardai-appeal-for-public-to-report-anyone-with-a-low-income-living-a-lavish-lifestyle-36606977.html

    TLDR

    If you think someone is living a lifestyle you think they couldn't afford.

    Call the Garda


    Arent people going to be reporting anyone and everyone without knowing facts about a persons financial background?

    What if you do know the facts behind someone's financial background?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,296 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    It's fairly easy for them to rule out somebody without much hassle. If this led to a few assets being seized I think it would be worth while. Often tough money is just laundered through businesses!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,087 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    A few years back I opened mail for a government agency. There's already a serious amount of tattle-talery goes on. This is just the guards / CAB saying they want a part of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gardai-appeal-for-public-to-report-anyone-with-a-low-income-living-a-lavish-lifestyle-36606977.html

    TLDR

    If you think someone is living a lifestyle you think they couldn't afford.

    Call the Garda


    Arent people going to be reporting anyone and everyone without knowing facts about a persons financial background?

    I couldn't give two ****s if it brings those draining the system via illegal means to court and plugging gaps.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/gardai-appeal-for-public-to-report-anyone-with-a-low-income-living-a-lavish-lifestyle-36606977.html

    TLDR

    If you think someone is living a lifestyle you think they couldn't afford.

    Call the Garda


    Arent people going to be reporting anyone and everyone without knowing facts about a persons financial background?

    Seriously??

    I think if the type of people CAB are chasing moved into my area I'd want them out pronto.......better CAB paying them a visit than some of their erstwhile colleagues or 'rivals' making a housecall and the rest of us getting caught in the crossfire.

    Somehow I doubt they're after plumbers doing cash jobs and using that to fund a holiday in Florida!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    The thread title is titled in a slightly provocative way - if someone is cheating then you should report them.
    At the end of the day we are all paying for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,855 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    I don't pay my taxes to pay for the CAB to tell me that I have a duty to help them to find leads so that they can continue to do their jobs that I pay them to do. They can fork right off with that shyte. And if they think they are fooling me with their faux concern for putting everything right well they can think again. And if I come in contact with someone who looks like they won the lottery I won't be following CAB's suggestion rather I will try to get to know them a little bit better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,971 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I don't pay my taxes to pay for the CAB to tell me that I have a duty to help them to find leads so that they can continue to do their jobs that I pay them to do. They can fork right off with that shyte. And if they think they are fooling me with their faux concern for putting everything right well they can think again. And if I come in contact with someone who looks like they won the lottery I won't be following CAB's suggestion rather I will try to get to know them a little bit better.

    Do employees of the CAB not pay taxes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Aren't you supposed to report a suspected crime anyway? Hardly need to be told that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    A few years back I opened mail for a government agency. There's already a serious amount of tattle-talery goes on. This is just the guards / CAB saying they want a part of it.

    Who said we're a nation of begrudgers?

    Me - I've enough to contend with in my own day to day life to be running grassing up someone I suspect is scamming somw system or other.

    If I witness first-hand criminality, that's a different story entirely, but I've very little time for busy body begrudgers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭Huexotzingo




    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭ceegee


    Who said we're a nation of begrudgers?

    Me - I've enough to contend with in my own day to day life to be running grassing up someone I suspect is scamming somw system or other.

    If I witness first-hand criminality, that's a different story entirely, but I've very little time for busy body begrudgers.

    But this isn't aimed at people scamming the system, it's aimed at criminal gang members. It's stated repeatedly throughout the statement. Wanting to help lock up these murdering c#nts isnt begrudgery


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Rory28


    Jawgap wrote: »
    Seriously??

    I think if the type of people CAB are chasing moved into my area I'd want them out pronto.......better CAB paying them a visit than some of their erstwhile colleagues or 'rivals' making a housecall and the rest of us getting caught in the crossfire.

    Somehow I doubt they're after plumbers doing cash jobs and using that to fund a holiday in Florida!

    Maybe not but if they do investigate that plumber they will have to arrest him anyway. He did break the law and they still have to do their job.


  • Administrators Posts: 56,584 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Who said we're a nation of begrudgers?

    Me - I've enough to contend with in my own day to day life to be running grassing up someone I suspect is scamming somw system or other.

    If I witness first-hand criminality, that's a different story entirely, but I've very little time for busy body begrudgers.
    I don't think you understand what the CAB is.

    They aren't interested in people claiming the dole while they have a job or not declaring the income for the odd cash jobs they do on a Saturday morning.


  • Administrators Posts: 56,584 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Rory28 wrote: »
    Maybe not but if they do investigate that plumber they will have to arrest him anyway. He did break the law and they still have to do their job.
    This is like saying if I phone the Guards and say wee Jimmy down the road stole a Cadburys chocolate bar from the SPAR on the corner they'd investigate him and then have to arrest him.

    If you tell CAB that the plumber down the road just went on holiday to Florida you'll be ignored. Probably forever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    ceegee wrote: »
    But this isn't aimed at people scamming the system, it's aimed at criminal gang members. It's stated repeatedly throughout the statement. Wanting to help lock up these murdering c#nts isnt begrudgery

    Read the post I responded to for context at least ffs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    When you're the Garda and you're really not fit for purpose do a Leo and deflect to others.

    Still can't find anyone who supports crime, dole fraud, fraud against the state; tax evasion/expenses, shady contract allocation by Garda/government (natonal/local).

    Mind you how it's dealt with depends on who''s doing it ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭MOH


    AllForIt wrote: »
    I don't pay my taxes to pay for the CAB to tell me that I have a duty to help them to find leads so that they can continue to do their jobs that I pay them to do. They can fork right off with that shyte. And if they think they are fooling me with their faux concern for putting everything right well they can think again. And if I come in contact with someone who looks like they won the lottery I won't be following CAB's suggestion rather I will try to get to know them a little bit better.

    So you're not all for it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Rory28


    awec wrote: »
    This is like saying if I phone the Guards and say wee Jimmy down the road stole a Cadburys chocolate bar from the SPAR on the corner they'd investigate him and then have to arrest him.

    If you tell CAB that the plumber down the road just went on holiday to Florida you'll be ignored. Probably forever.

    Or maybe you wont be ignored. I dont know how they choose to investigate people and neither do you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I was going to report Matt Barrett but i think they may know all about him already.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I am going to have to sell the yellow range rover now:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    awec wrote: »
    I don't think you understand what the CAB is.

    They aren't interested in people claiming the dole while they have a job or not declaring the income for the odd cash jobs they do on a Saturday morning.

    Again.
    Read the post I responded to for context at least ffs.


  • Administrators Posts: 56,584 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Rory28 wrote: »
    Or maybe you wont be ignored. I dont know how they choose to investigate people and neither do you.
    I know what the CAB is though.

    They investigate proceeds of serious crime. Drug dealers, gangs, prostitution rings etc.

    Normal people with real jobs taking in some extra income they don't declare for tax are of absolutely no interest to them. It's not serious crime, the sums of money are too small, they are no danger to society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Rory28


    awec wrote: »
    I know what the CAB is though.

    They investigate proceeds of serious crime. Drug dealers, gangs, prostitution rings etc.

    Normal people with real jobs taking in some extra income they don't declare for tax are of absolutely no interest to them. It's not serious crime, the sums of money are too small, they are no danger to society.

    Well if that is the case then I am all for this. Assuming they only target real criminals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,414 ✭✭✭griffdaddy




    :pac:

    I never understood what licking an informer's bum bum was supposed to achieve


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 238 ✭✭the sheriff is HERE


    The CAB need to start with the Byrne's in crumlin and the kinahans and trickle down from there they can come in and out of Ireland with the best of everything yet have never worked they've seized a nice bit already from them but more needs to be done,

    Is this like the dutch recently who are seizing expensive clothes, watches, shoes, and passports and anything you can't explain if you're not working but living the life.

    What about the clever crims who get a business man to launder their money and invest in property while they drive sh!te cars and wear pennys clothes while living in council estates?

    Runs off to see if CAB are selling expensive items on eBay at a steal :}


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭HONKEY TONK


    awec wrote: »
    I know what the CAB is though.

    They investigate proceeds of serious crime. Drug dealers, gangs, prostitution rings etc.

    Normal people with real jobs taking in some extra income they don't declare for tax are of absolutely no interest to them. It's not serious crime, the sums of money are too small, they are no danger to society.

    So you're saying that CAB will not investigate what they are requesting from the public.

    eg:

    Dodgy looking family I have no information about seem to have the best of everything.

    But they seem to be at home all the time.

    The only thing that standing out to me is that they look dodgy.

    Will CAB hang up or investigate it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    I am going to have to sell the yellow range rover now:(

    Can I have your bullet proof Mercedes?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    Rory28 wrote: »
    Maybe not but if they do investigate that plumber they will have to arrest him anyway. He did break the law and they still have to do their job.

    CAB are not interested in tradesmen or women doing cash jobs and dodging tax.

    Their remit is "....the illegally acquired assets of criminals involved in serious crime."

    If you rang them to complain about Peter the plumber taking cash and not issuing receipts they'd tell you, politely, to fúck off by suggesting you contact another agency such as Revenue.

    So unless the plumber is also doing a sideline in drug importation, human trafficking or armed robbery they're not interested.

    Or put it this way, are there any examples of them (CAB) doing tradesmen for dodging VAT or tax?


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